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Post by starkiller on Feb 10, 2024 18:59:57 GMT
Care to elaborate bayern? It’s xenophobic shite. Nothing to do with xenophobia. If we are recruiting players from leagues with lower standards than the championship then it's an issue Or is saying that some countries have lower standards of professional football, xenophobic?
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Post by Pricey on Feb 10, 2024 19:00:07 GMT
I haven’t read this thread as being against foreign players at all - just that our attempt to bring in good quality continental players has, by and large been a failure. We need to recruit someone who know more about overseas players - a foreign manager perhaps - to improve our chances to a) find good prospects and b) play them in the right way ……..so not coming across as xenophobic at all, just an observation on our current recruitment team malaise….. It's probably 50/50 though isn't it? Burger and Bae have been really good and our best two players overall. Better than than any players from the British side of our "strategy".
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Post by Goonie on Feb 10, 2024 19:01:05 GMT
I really wanted talented foreign players coming in but they generally not up to the physicality of the Championship
We should have gone for more Scandinavians - virtually all speak English and hardy
Other than Burger and Bae this lot are useless
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Post by pavel on Feb 10, 2024 19:04:20 GMT
The recruitment has failed at all levels apart from a few exceptions but what is striking to me is that the it seems completely disconnected from the idea of team building, looking at players that complement one another and have different skillsets, leadership, pace, drive, character etc, etc. We've just seemed to have recruited a bunch of individuals without thinking on how they can fit together and it shows.
Some more of them will come good I'm sure but perhaps not at Stike.
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 10, 2024 19:04:43 GMT
You're a decent bloke but fucking hell, this is such a bad take. Thanks for the compliment but I don’t share that belief Mmaee-total lack of effort and interest Vidigal -couldn’t give two fucks,no fight Chiquinho-sent back bad attitude,couldn’t give a shit Leris-done nothing but at least he runs around abit Haksabanovic-done absolutely nothing Wesley-utter dogshit Yes I accept there’s plenty of British players also that have been shit but we’ve wasted loads of dosh on players that haven’t got the first clue about championship football Yet Ben Pearson is probably the worst culprit sat on his 4 year contract that will see him through to retirement. Blame the foreign lads though.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 10, 2024 19:07:49 GMT
Thanks for the compliment but I don’t share that belief Mmaee-total lack of effort and interest Vidigal -couldn’t give two fucks,no fight Chiquinho-sent back bad attitude,couldn’t give a shit Leris-done nothing but at least he runs around abit Haksabanovic-done absolutely nothing Wesley-utter dogshit Yes I accept there’s plenty of British players also that have been shit but we’ve wasted loads of dosh on players that haven’t got the first clue about championship football Yet Ben Pearson is probably the worst culprit sat on his 4 year contract that will see him through to retirement. Blame the foreign lads though. We were all desperate for Ben Pearson to sign in the summer but all of a sudden he’s become the whipping boy for a lot on here.Yes I agree he hasn’t been nothing like since he signed permanently but for me he should be sat in front of the back four week in week out at the moment and not just 45 minutes at home to Leicester
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Post by kidcrewbob on Feb 10, 2024 19:08:43 GMT
I haven’t read this thread as being against foreign players at all - just that our attempt to bring in good quality continental players has, by and large been a failure. We need to recruit someone who know more about overseas players - a foreign manager perhaps - to improve our chances to a) find good prospects and b) play them in the right way ……..so not coming across as xenophobic at all, just an observation on our current recruitment team malaise….. It's probably 50/50 though isn't it? Burger and Bae have been really good and our best two players overall. Better than than any players from the British side of our "strategy". These are the best of a bad / mediocre bunch I would agree……..but we need a much better informed system and strategy to exploit the massive foreign market more successfully……this recruitment team don’t seem up to it in either camps…….
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 10, 2024 19:09:18 GMT
Yet Ben Pearson is probably the worst culprit sat on his 4 year contract that will see him through to retirement. Blame the foreign lads though. We were all desperate for Ben Pearson to sign in the summer but all of a sudden he’s become the whipping boy for a lot on here.Yes I agree he hasn’t been nothing like since he signed permanently but for me he should be sat in front of the back four week in week out at the moment and not just 45 minutes at home to Leicester Like he did for the first half of the season and was fucking shit at it? Under the manager that he reportedly had a great relationship with? Yes a lot of the foreign lads are not good enough but the British players who have done it at this level have been nothing short of wank too.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 10, 2024 19:13:06 GMT
We were all desperate for Ben Pearson to sign in the summer but all of a sudden he’s become the whipping boy for a lot on here.Yes I agree he hasn’t been nothing like since he signed permanently but for me he should be sat in front of the back four week in week out at the moment and not just 45 minutes at home to Leicester Like he did for the first half of the season and was fucking shit at it? Under the manager that he reportedly had a great relationship with? Yes a lot of the foreign lads are not good enough but the British players who have done it at this level have been nothing short of wank too. Ive already said he’s not been the same player this season for some reason but however you dress it up the foreign transfer experiment hasn’t worked for me.You disagree fair enough
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Post by peterpan1 on Feb 10, 2024 19:13:26 GMT
I really wanted talented foreign players coming in but they generally not up to the physicality of the Championship We should have gone for more Scandinavians - virtually all speak English and hardy Other than Burger and Bae this lot are useless We should have had a few Eastern Europeans in as well. Hard as nails.
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Post by idle on Feb 10, 2024 19:15:39 GMT
Junho- has he got an assist or goal??? I was saying he was ok- I don’t think he’s the type for this scenario. He got the assist today FFS
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Post by hoppo96 on Feb 10, 2024 19:16:11 GMT
judging from the signings of Rose, Stevens, Johnson, Pearson not sure the British route has been a success either.
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Post by hoppo96 on Feb 10, 2024 19:17:17 GMT
Was the same for relegation in 2018, a lot of focus on Jese & Wimmer types (shits), but we were let down massively by most of the British lads too
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 10, 2024 19:18:22 GMT
Yet Ben Pearson is probably the worst culprit sat on his 4 year contract that will see him through to retirement. Blame the foreign lads though. We were all desperate for Ben Pearson to sign in the summer but all of a sudden he’s become the whipping boy for a lot on here.Yes I agree he hasn’t been nothing like since he signed permanently but for me he should be sat in front of the back four week in week out at the moment and not just 45 minutes at home to Leicester Not all.
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Post by idle on Feb 10, 2024 19:18:49 GMT
We were all desperate for Ben Pearson to sign in the summer but all of a sudden he’s become the whipping boy for a lot on here.Yes I agree he hasn’t been nothing like since he signed permanently but for me he should be sat in front of the back four week in week out at the moment and not just 45 minutes at home to Leicester Like he did for the first half of the season and was fucking shit at it? Under the manager that he reportedly had a great relationship with? Yes a lot of the foreign lads are not good enough but the British players who have done it at this level have been nothing short of wank too. A bit OTT that. We had one of the best defences in the league with him sitting in front of them. Now he isn't and we're leaky as hell. It ain't all the tactics. He was mopping up quite a lot, but all people see are the stupid yellow cards.
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 10, 2024 19:20:54 GMT
Like he did for the first half of the season and was fucking shit at it? Under the manager that he reportedly had a great relationship with? Yes a lot of the foreign lads are not good enough but the British players who have done it at this level have been nothing short of wank too. A bit OTT that. We had one of the best defences in the league with him sitting in front of them. Now he isn't and we're leaky as hell. It ain't all the tactics. He was mopping up quite a lot, but all people see are the stupid yellow cards. We had one of the best defences in the league because we had a manager who was defensive as fuck. We didn’t concede many but we still lost every week
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Post by chamberlain on Feb 10, 2024 19:23:46 GMT
You could have built a better side with league 1 and 2 players than this shower.We must be the only team in the division with 5 loan players who are no better than our own players.
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Post by idle on Feb 10, 2024 19:25:22 GMT
A bit OTT that. We had one of the best defences in the league with him sitting in front of them. Now he isn't and we're leaky as hell. It ain't all the tactics. He was mopping up quite a lot, but all people see are the stupid yellow cards. We had one of the best defences in the league because we had a manager who was defensive as fuck. We didn’t concede many but we still lost every week That's half the explanation. The rest is we had people actually defending in front of and on the sides of the CBs. Today was like we didn't have anyone back there. SS needs to either go to the 3421 or put Pearson in front of the defence again. McNally, Wilmot and Rose aren't good enough to be the only defenders.
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Post by milky on Feb 10, 2024 19:26:31 GMT
As opposed to Johnson, Pearson, Mcnally and Rose ?
Whether you're from Brussels or Basildon if you're wank you're wank.
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 10, 2024 19:29:40 GMT
We had one of the best defences in the league because we had a manager who was defensive as fuck. We didn’t concede many but we still lost every week That's half the explanation. The rest is we had people actually defending in front of and on the sides of the CBs. Today was like we didn't have anyone back there. SS needs to either go to the 3421 or put Pearson in front of the defence again. McNally, Wilmot and Rose aren't good enough to be the only defenders. I do agree on the 3421 mate. Our best performance under Schuey have been in that shape
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 10, 2024 19:39:51 GMT
Like he did for the first half of the season and was fucking shit at it? Under the manager that he reportedly had a great relationship with? Yes a lot of the foreign lads are not good enough but the British players who have done it at this level have been nothing short of wank too. Ive already said he’s not been the same player this season for some reason but however you dress it up the foreign transfer experiment hasn’t worked for me.You disagree fair enough Do you think their recruitment of domestic players has worked then Mutters?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 10, 2024 19:55:55 GMT
Ive already said he’s not been the same player this season for some reason but however you dress it up the foreign transfer experiment hasn’t worked for me.You disagree fair enough Do you think their recruitment of domestic players has worked then Mutters? No I don’t mate but most of them are loans not permanent.To be honest it’s been an absolute dogs dinner and Dublin and Martin have a lot to answer for
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 10, 2024 19:59:30 GMT
Do you think their recruitment of domestic players has worked then Mutters? No I don’t mate but most of them are loans not permanent.To be honest it’s been an absolute dogs dinner and Dublin and Martin have a lot to answer for So if you think foreign recruitment hasn't worked and you think the the domestic recruitment also hasn't worked, then in actual fact, it is the recruitment per se that hasn't worked then?
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 10, 2024 20:00:04 GMT
I thought Vidigal tried his socks off second half, you could not accuse him of not trying.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 10, 2024 20:01:39 GMT
It doesn’t matter where they are from, the spine of your team need to mostly be made up of players in or approaching their peak. You build around that experience with whatever else you need to make the team more exciting.
We don’t do this, we buy those on the decline or those who are years away from the finished product (or loan someone else’s blunt instruments).
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 10, 2024 20:04:08 GMT
No I don’t mate but most of them are loans not permanent.To be honest it’s been an absolute dogs dinner and Dublin and Martin have a lot to answer for So if you think foreign recruitment hasn't worked and you think the the domestic recruitment also hasn't worked, then in actual fact, it is the recruitment per se that hasn't worked then? Ive made my feelings clear on the subject mate
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 10, 2024 20:05:51 GMT
Like he did for the first half of the season and was fucking shit at it? Under the manager that he reportedly had a great relationship with? Yes a lot of the foreign lads are not good enough but the British players who have done it at this level have been nothing short of wank too. A bit OTT that. We had one of the best defences in the league with him sitting in front of them. Now he isn't and we're leaky as hell. It ain't all the tactics. He was mopping up quite a lot, but all people see are the stupid yellow cards. Our defence was good because we sat back and didn’t attack. Now that we are pushing players forwards, they are getting shown up.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 10, 2024 20:08:05 GMT
So if you think foreign recruitment hasn't worked and you think the the domestic recruitment also hasn't worked, then in actual fact, it is the recruitment per se that hasn't worked then? Ive made my feelings clear on the subject mate Yes, you've said that the foreign recruitment hasn't worked and you've also said that the domestic recruitment hasn't worked but you believe that the issue is not with the recruitment per se but is specifically with the foreign players we've signed. Is that fair?
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Post by datguy on Feb 10, 2024 20:10:42 GMT
Respectfully mate, I couldn't disagree more.
Ange said much the same. On BBC radio coming out with that 'much of continental signings in recent years' play well when the weathers nice or put in poor performances when it's cold.
Thought those comments were quite distasteful if I'm being honest.
Recruit shit players expect shit results. Nothing to do with domestic or foreign.
Burger and Junho are the only thing we've got going for us. And I'll tell you what, Schumacher can only blame himself really. You can't go round axeing players like Mmaee (fed up of talking about it) yet place your faith in players like Daniel Johnson, Lyndon Gooch, Luke Cundle, Ben Wilmot ... the list goes on.
For as poor as you think Jared Dublin's recruitment has been, when Ricky Martin (an absolute chancer, by the way) has given the managers the freedom to bring their own players in it has been equally awful.
Lyndon Gooch should be nowhere near a starter. Daniel Johnson deary me. Luke Cundle the very definition of a nothing player. Ben Pearson been nothing short of a disgrace. Niall Ennis looks like nothing more than a rotation player. Hoever showed today that he has to play but Christ almighty that shows the situation we're in.
For me Burger, Junho and Vidigal were the only players that showed any quality today.
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Post by idle on Feb 10, 2024 20:11:47 GMT
A bit OTT that. We had one of the best defences in the league with him sitting in front of them. Now he isn't and we're leaky as hell. It ain't all the tactics. He was mopping up quite a lot, but all people see are the stupid yellow cards. Our defence was good because we sat back and didn’t attack. Now that we are pushing players forwards, they are getting shown up. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/8046315
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