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Post by kevkj on Feb 10, 2024 17:46:51 GMT
I dont care which two they play its the same every week.
Totally bullied by an aggressive forward.
God help us if these lot end up playing for us in league 1.
Absolutely weak and spineless.
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Post by franklin on Feb 10, 2024 17:49:32 GMT
I dont care which two they play its the same every week. Totally bullied by an aggressive forward. God help us if these lot end up playing for us in league 1. Absolutely weak and spineless. Fair comment Kev when you think back to some of the players we've seen it's embarrassing to watch. |
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Post by chad on Feb 10, 2024 17:51:02 GMT
I can only assume that Clarke must be the absolute pits !
Frankly we might as well give Wes and Junior the job.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 10, 2024 17:51:34 GMT
For all McFadzean’s faults and age he’s exactly the the type of centre half we’ve needed for a while and he played alongside McNally and Rose at Coventry last season
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Post by nonameface on Feb 10, 2024 17:52:38 GMT
I can only assume that Clarke must be the absolute pits ! Frankly we might as well give Wes and Junior the job. he is |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Feb 10, 2024 17:55:07 GMT
We won’t win anything with McNally.
Horrific.
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Post by Timmy on Feb 10, 2024 17:55:11 GMT
Lyndon Dykes coming up on Wednesday.
Pathetic how passive and fragile half of our team are. When was the last time we saw some aggressive challenges and some fight?
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Post by StokieDJC on Feb 10, 2024 17:55:26 GMT
It doesn't help that they have to play full back too.
From when Neil was sacked up until we beat Rotherham we had conceded 4 goals in 8 games and only 7 teams had conceded less than us in the league. Full backs for the most part sat deep throughout this time.
Since the loss to Birmingham he has gone balls to the wall attacking with full backs, midfield and wide players all playing high up. This has resulted in 14 goal conceded in 4 games.
The best part about this allout attack is that we have scored 3 in the last 4 games compared to 5 in the first 4 games since Neil left. So we dont even score more.
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Post by questionable on Feb 10, 2024 17:57:19 GMT
However you look at it the entire recruitment has been abysmal, yes we’ve let two imbeciles oversee 18 players come in in the summer but good God they’ve neglected seriously in key areas.
I’ve yet to see Iversen make a decent save yet, shot goal ratio must be disastrous
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Post by nonameface on Feb 10, 2024 17:58:25 GMT
It doesn't help that they have to play full back too. From when Neil was sacked up until we beat Rotherham we had conceded 4 goals in 8 games and only 7 teams had conceded less than us in the league. Full backs for the most part sat deep throughout this time. Since the loss to Birmingham he has gone balls to the wall attacking with full backs, midfield and wide players all playing high up. This has resulted in 14 goal conceded in 4 games. The best part about this allout attack is that we have scored 3 in the last 4 games compared to 5 in the first 4 games since Neil left. So we dont even score more. Gallagher was on to something then? |
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Post by chopperscfc on Feb 10, 2024 17:59:36 GMT
Absolute criminal even in the summer just gone not to get an experienced centre half and put some money into him.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 10, 2024 18:01:51 GMT
It’s been the root of our problems for years.
Can you imagine TP putting up with some of jokers we have had filling this position ?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 10, 2024 18:06:24 GMT
Let’s get one thing straight, our centres backs are shit but they were hung out to dry by the manager today. The amount of times it was 1v1 or 2v2 at the back because of this inverted full back bollocks was just naive beyond belief. Kamikaze tactics from Schumacher first half, as bad a set up for a relegation 6 pointer against a side low on confidence I think I’ve ever seen…….
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Post by StokieDJC on Feb 10, 2024 19:33:20 GMT
Let’s get one thing straight, our centres backs are shit but they were hung out to dry by the manager today. The amount of times it was 1v1 or 2v2 at the back because of this inverted full back bollocks was just naive beyond belief. Kamikaze tactics from Schumacher first half, as bad a set up for a relegation 6 pointer against a side low on confidence I think I’ve ever seen……. It's been like that ever since the Birmingham loss, we weren't conceding many at all even with 2 very average CB's. Now we are practically playing 2 at the back they are being hung out to dry. Best part is we are also scoring less now so its not even had the effect of we will outscore the opposition. It's more like we will have lots of possession then be hit on the break. Its predictable beyond belief and he still continues. |
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Post by timbo1988 on Feb 10, 2024 19:35:00 GMT
All 4 centre backs aren’t good enough but Wilmott is the worst. Stats with him in the team are woeful.
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 10, 2024 19:37:04 GMT
Lyndon Dykes coming up on Wednesday. Pathetic how passive and fragile half of our team are. When was the last time we saw some aggressive challenges and some fight? Shortly before a yellow or red card I imagine 😂 |
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 10, 2024 19:39:38 GMT
The three goals today were all preventable. Acres of spaces in the left back slot leading to a misshapen central defence.
That said, it’s on the central defence to shout at their fullbacks when they are out of position.
When you don’t have a lot of money, the best central defence is one that is balanced: one slightly smaller player who can chase back, and one stopper who can win the aerial duels. Without that stopper, we struggle a lot.
I think our only chance is three at the back. Manhoef either at wing back or up front with Ennis.
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Post by willieeetmiout on Feb 10, 2024 19:41:34 GMT
I dont care which two they play its the same every week. Totally bullied by an aggressive forward. God help us if these lot end up playing for us in league 1. Absolutely weak and spineless. Bullied because they are both brain dead. Best way to win that fight is not take part in it. Step back five yards. Easy. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 10, 2024 19:43:40 GMT
The three goals today were all preventable. Acres of spaces in the left back slot leading to a misshapen central defence. That said, it’s on the central defence to shout at their fullbacks when they are out of position. When you don’t have a lot of money, the best central defence is one that is balanced: one slightly smaller player who can chase back, and one stopper who can win the aerial duels. Without that stopper, we struggle a lot. I think our only chance is three at the back. Manhoef either at wing back or up front with Ennis. The full backs weren’t out of position, they were exactly where the manager wanted them to be, which is laughable….. |
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 10, 2024 19:45:43 GMT
The three goals today were all preventable. Acres of spaces in the left back slot leading to a misshapen central defence. That said, it’s on the central defence to shout at their fullbacks when they are out of position. When you don’t have a lot of money, the best central defence is one that is balanced: one slightly smaller player who can chase back, and one stopper who can win the aerial duels. Without that stopper, we struggle a lot. I think our only chance is three at the back. Manhoef either at wing back or up front with Ennis. The full backs weren’t out of position, they were exactly where the manager wanted them to be, which is laughable….. Then SS absolutely needs to rethink what he’s doing. I’m not sure if it’s entirely true though. All goals came from the left. They often do. That’s because we don’t have a left back who has played in the position enough to spot danger before it happens. |
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Feb 10, 2024 19:46:46 GMT
Let’s get one thing straight, our centres backs are shit but they were hung out to dry by the manager today. The amount of times it was 1v1 or 2v2 at the back because of this inverted full back bollocks was just naive beyond belief. Kamikaze tactics from Schumacher first half, as bad a set up for a relegation 6 pointer against a side low on confidence I think I’ve ever seen……. I don’t disagree with you mate but 1v1 & 2v2 should not be a bad thing if your player is better & stronger than theirs. I’d not have been concerned with that scenario with Shawcross or Huth. Our entire defence is toss. |
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Post by chamberlain on Feb 10, 2024 19:49:52 GMT
Let’s get one thing straight, our centres backs are shit but they were hung out to dry by the manager today. The amount of times it was 1v1 or 2v2 at the back because of this inverted full back bollocks was just naive beyond belief. Kamikaze tactics from Schumacher first half, as bad a set up for a relegation 6 pointer against a side low on confidence I think I’ve ever seen……. Against Leicester and again today there was one instance of 1 of our centre half's isolated against 2 of their attacking players in our half. |
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Post by onionman on Feb 10, 2024 19:52:50 GMT
By far the worst collection of centre backs I’ve ever seen at Stoke. Every one of them is utter garbage.
Refusing to sign a centre back and pratting around signing non-entities like Cundle and Ennis instead is quite possibly the worst decision I’ve seen from a Stoke manager and by Christ I have seen some bad decisions in my time. It’s as if the roof blew off the house and we decided instead of fixing the roof we’ll spend our money on a couple of new lamp shades - when we already have a spare room chock full of unused lamp shades.
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Post by mattythestokie on Feb 10, 2024 19:53:04 GMT
That 3rd goal summed up our centre backs. Very definition of Sunday league defending.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Feb 10, 2024 20:10:55 GMT
How many decent centre backs have we had since relgation?
Souttar
Jagielka (at 39/40 years of age!)
Batth
Are the three that spring to mind for me. The rest have been absolutely shite for us.
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Post by figo85 on Feb 10, 2024 20:13:31 GMT
So many goals we’ve conceded involve three or four Stoke defenders stood next to one single striker and getting nowhere near the ball. Banks’ statue would lose Wilmot and find and extra thre yards of space.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 10, 2024 20:14:26 GMT
For all McFadzean’s faults and age he’s exactly the the type of centre half we’ve needed for a while and he played alongside McNally and Rose at Coventry last season We thought that with Flint |
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Post by greyface on Feb 10, 2024 20:16:15 GMT
For all McFadzean’s faults and age he’s exactly the the type of centre half we’ve needed for a while and he played alongside McNally and Rose at Coventry last season He was EXACTLY what was needed to the end of this season at least. Was gobsmacked that we didn’t go there. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 10, 2024 20:21:50 GMT
Let’s get one thing straight, our centres backs are shit but they were hung out to dry by the manager today. The amount of times it was 1v1 or 2v2 at the back because of this inverted full back bollocks was just naive beyond belief. Kamikaze tactics from Schumacher first half, as bad a set up for a relegation 6 pointer against a side low on confidence I think I’ve ever seen……. I don’t disagree with you mate but 1v1 & 2v2 should not be a bad thing if your player is better & stronger than theirs. I’d not have been concerned with that scenario with Shawcrosd or Huth. Our entire defence is loss. They had Dolan and Szmodics right behind Gallagher though meaning a simple one two or ball between the centre backs and full backs and we were stretched. It was schoolboy stuff...... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2024 20:21:58 GMT
Rose and McNally look better together. Wilmot looks all over the place. They both went for the same header for the 3rd goal, there didn’t seem to be any cohesion or communication at all. It’s that bad I’d even consider playing Burger at CB for the rest of the season.
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