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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 6, 2024 1:18:36 GMT
 Stats from here. Each dot is a Championship team and the left is goals scored, right is conceded. Basically if you're on the dashed line you're about par. We're the red dot and actually middle of the road defensively, but we have the flaccidest finishing in the whole league and it's not close. If our lads were even average we'd have put another 7-8 on the scoresheet.
Yeah I know some people think xG is bollocks, but it says our finishing is atrocious and you can't argue with that. |
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Post by skip on Feb 6, 2024 1:21:41 GMT
That is some grim data viz, right there.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 6, 2024 1:26:50 GMT
Stats from here. Each dot is a Championship team and the left is goals scored, right is conceded. Basically if you're on the dashed line you're about par. We're the red dot and actually middle of the road defensively, but we have the flaccidest finishing in the whole league and it's not close. If our lads were even average we'd have put another 7-8 on the scoresheet.
Yeah I know some people think xG is bollocks, but it says our finishing is atrocious and you can't argue with that. I’m hoping that someone like Bae scores soon (or Ennis, or Campbell/Vidigal). These are players that I would expect to be scoring a decent-ish amount of goals. I also believe that they are the type of confidence player that will scores in spells. More than anything, we need one of those to nick a lucky goal, feel some relief and then go on a run that eases pressure in the side. I don’t think we’d get the same medium-term reaction if say, Wilmot or Junior scored and we won a game. |
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Post by baconburger on Feb 6, 2024 8:23:50 GMT
Stats from here. Each dot is a Championship team and the left is goals scored, right is conceded. Basically if you're on the dashed line you're about par. We're the red dot and actually middle of the road defensively, but we have the flaccidest finishing in the whole league and it's not close. If our lads were even average we'd have put another 7-8 on the scoresheet.
Yeah I know some people think xG is bollocks, but it says our finishing is atrocious and you can't argue with that. I’m hoping that someone like Bae scores soon (or Ennis, or Campbell/Vidigal). These are players that I would expect to be scoring a decent-ish amount of goals. I also believe that they are the type of confidence player that will scores in spells. More than anything, we need one of those to nick a lucky goal, feel some relief and then go on a run that eases pressure in the side. I don’t think we’d get the same medium-term reaction if say, Wilmot or Junior scored and we won a game. Obviously it would be helpful but I doubt 1 player having a bit of a streak would even bring us upto par in terms of scoring goals. I think that just underestimates how serious our goal scoring problem is. We need more goals from across the front line and Schu’s 8’s and then the odd goal chipped in from the defenders and his 6 in modern numbers for positions speak. I haven’t moved into the modern era on that 5’s & 6’s are still CB to me. I think we’re at the point now where that has become an unrealistic dream and we just need to cobble together enough points and goals to get to a place where we can have a rethink. |
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Post by chiswickpotter on Feb 6, 2024 9:34:29 GMT
I’m hoping that someone like Bae scores soon (or Ennis, or Campbell/Vidigal). These are players that I would expect to be scoring a decent-ish amount of goals. I also believe that they are the type of confidence player that will scores in spells. More than anything, we need one of those to nick a lucky goal, feel some relief and then go on a run that eases pressure in the side. I don’t think we’d get the same medium-term reaction if say, Wilmot or Junior scored and we won a game. Obviously it would be helpful but I doubt 1 player having a bit of a streak would even bring us upto par in terms of scoring goals. I think that just underestimates how serious our goal scoring problem is. We need more goals from across the front line and Schu’s 8’s and then the odd goal chipped in from the defenders and his 6 in modern numbers for positions speak. I haven’t moved into the modern era on that 5’s & 6’s are still CB to me. I think we’re at the point now where that has become an unrealistic dream and we just need to cobble together enough points and goals to get to a place where we can have a rethink. We are top half defensively, top third of the bottom half creatively and the worst in the division at finishing chances. There must be a chance our finishing stats improve, either players ar underperforming to their career averages or they will go through a period of over performance. If we add in the 6 or so penalties we were denied earlier in the season, the picture is of a squad currently underperforming, there is top half quality there, it needs someone to unlock it |
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Post by Northy on Feb 6, 2024 9:38:35 GMT
Only way our lot will increase the xg, then switch it at ht.  |
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Post by mcw on Feb 6, 2024 9:48:19 GMT
Ha brilliant, every chance they'd still manage to shank shots wide for thrown ins or sky it over the top of the Boothen end.
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Post by Northy on Feb 6, 2024 11:23:10 GMT
Issue the boothen end supporters with arrows
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Feb 6, 2024 11:24:59 GMT
Issue the boothen end supporters with arrows That's brilliant 👏 |
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 6, 2024 11:42:19 GMT
I’m hoping that someone like Bae scores soon (or Ennis, or Campbell/Vidigal). These are players that I would expect to be scoring a decent-ish amount of goals. I also believe that they are the type of confidence player that will scores in spells. More than anything, we need one of those to nick a lucky goal, feel some relief and then go on a run that eases pressure in the side. I don’t think we’d get the same medium-term reaction if say, Wilmot or Junior scored and we won a game. Obviously it would be helpful but I doubt 1 player having a bit of a streak would even bring us upto par in terms of scoring goals. I think that just underestimates how serious our goal scoring problem is. We need more goals from across the front line and Schu’s 8’s and then the odd goal chipped in from the defenders and his 6 in modern numbers for positions speak. I haven’t moved into the modern era on that 5’s & 6’s are still CB to me. I think we’re at the point now where that has become an unrealistic dream and we just need to cobble together enough points and goals to get to a place where we can have a rethink. If we reach back to xG, great. I’m more worried about simply lifting some pressure off the players. I’m sure they’ll be feeling concerned about not taking chances. That’s why I think it would do the entire squad some good if one of those mentioned did start firing. It may break down that pressure and get others scoring as well. |
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 6, 2024 11:47:12 GMT
If we look through the squad though, the only player with a semi decent goalscoring record in their career is Ryan Mmaee and he's training alone.
We've built a squad that doesn't have a single player in it that has a history of scoring goals regularly, how on earth did we think we'd manage to score enough goals to compete near the top of the table. We're going to struggle to score enough to keep us up.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 6, 2024 11:55:25 GMT
Only way our lot will increase the xg, then switch it at ht. We still have players would even miss that. |
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Post by etebojan on Feb 6, 2024 11:55:53 GMT
Feels like an ideal time to introduce Million, who seems like he has a bit of swagger and confidence, with Ennis too keen to get off the mark, hopefully they can put a few away over the next few games and start dragging the others with them
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Post by marwood on Feb 6, 2024 12:10:02 GMT
If it wasnt for our deadly marksman OG, and Jacob Browns early contributions, we'd be looking at the relegation zone
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Post by Pricey on Feb 6, 2024 12:27:53 GMT
Even if we were on a par with our xG, we'd still only be the 15th or 16th highest scorers in the league.
We're at double figures now for attacking midfielders/strikers brought to the club since the summer, including the players signed in January.
We are absolutely shocking at recruiting for those positions, creating good opportunities and taking them, and have been for nearly a decade.
Utter shit.
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Post by marylandstoke on Feb 6, 2024 12:28:16 GMT
Flaccid.
Yep, about sums it up.
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Post by dirtclod on Feb 6, 2024 12:35:10 GMT
We need Viagra and/or Cialis. But doubt that we can prize either away from La Liga.
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Feb 6, 2024 12:53:52 GMT
We're giving it too much thought. Toe-bunters moving forward lads, please.
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Post by femark on Feb 6, 2024 13:02:03 GMT
Our attacking players consist of:
Mmaee - 67 goals in 204 apps - 1 in 3
Campbell - 41 goals in 177 apps - 1 in 4
Ennis - 37 goals in 159 apps - 1 in 4
Wesley - 58 goals in 268 apps - 1 in 4.5
Vidigal - 41 goals in 218 apps - 1 in 5
Johnson - 62 goals in 389 apps - 1 in 6
Manhoef - 15 goals in 88 apps - 1 in 6
Haksabanovic - 43 goals in 248 apps - 1 in 6
Junho - 8 goals in 69 apps - 1 in 9
Leris - 9 goals in 162 apps - 1 in 18
There should be more than enough goals in them, but for some reason they've fallen foul to the Stoke City Striker Curse.
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Post by baconburger on Feb 6, 2024 13:47:12 GMT
Our attacking players consist of: Mmaee - 67 goals in 204 apps - 1 in 3 Campbell - 41 goals in 177 apps - 1 in 4 Ennis - 37 goals in 159 apps - 1 in 4 Wesley - 58 goals in 268 apps - 1 in 4.5 Vidigal - 41 goals in 218 apps - 1 in 5 Johnson - 62 goals in 389 apps - 1 in 6 Manhoef - 15 goals in 88 apps - 1 in 6 Haksabanovic - 43 goals in 248 apps - 1 in 6 Junho - 8 goals in 69 apps - 1 in 9 Leris - 9 goals in 162 apps - 1 in 18 There should be more than enough goals in them, but for some reason they've fallen foul to the Stoke City Striker Curse. None of them are great and then you think the bottom stat 1/18 has been a regular part of our front 3. Unbelievable Jeff! Goals are irrelevant territory. |
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 6, 2024 13:59:05 GMT
The chart confirms what we can physically see - that we are dross in front of goal
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 6, 2024 13:59:51 GMT
How about having incentives? Score a goal, you can come into training 30 minutes late till the next match. Have a shot on target you can come into train 30 minutes late for every shot. No shots on target you must spend the first 30 minutes of training on shooting practice.
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Post by onionman on Feb 6, 2024 14:00:33 GMT
Our attacking players consist of: Mmaee - 67 goals in 204 apps - 1 in 3 Campbell - 41 goals in 177 apps - 1 in 4 Ennis - 37 goals in 159 apps - 1 in 4 Wesley - 58 goals in 268 apps - 1 in 4.5 Vidigal - 41 goals in 218 apps - 1 in 5 Johnson - 62 goals in 389 apps - 1 in 6 Manhoef - 15 goals in 88 apps - 1 in 6 Haksabanovic - 43 goals in 248 apps - 1 in 6 Junho - 8 goals in 69 apps - 1 in 9 Leris - 9 goals in 162 apps - 1 in 18 There should be more than enough goals in them, but for some reason they've fallen foul to the Stoke City Striker Curse. Leris has 3 in 23 at Stoke. By his standards, he's been on fire. To maintain his career average, he will score 1 in his next 49 games, which takes us through to March next season. I predict that goal will be against Harrogate in September. |
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Post by idle on Feb 6, 2024 14:19:18 GMT
Our attacking players consist of: Mmaee - 67 goals in 204 apps - 1 in 3 Campbell - 41 goals in 177 apps - 1 in 4 Ennis - 37 goals in 159 apps - 1 in 4 Wesley - 58 goals in 268 apps - 1 in 4.5 Vidigal - 41 goals in 218 apps - 1 in 5 Johnson - 62 goals in 389 apps - 1 in 6 Manhoef - 15 goals in 88 apps - 1 in 6 Haksabanovic - 43 goals in 248 apps - 1 in 6 Junho - 8 goals in 69 apps - 1 in 9 Leris - 9 goals in 162 apps - 1 in 18 There should be more than enough goals in them, but for some reason they've fallen foul to the Stoke City Striker Curse. What I get from this is that Johnson should be playing, as he has a decent ratio for being a midfielder. Also Leris have been a WB, so that's at least average, unlike the rest except RM (who know if he'll ever play for us again) What about Baker? If Johnson is included, he should be as well. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 6, 2024 14:35:19 GMT
The damning statistics are stacking up I've noticed. Terrible home wins record, terrible goals scored records, terrible goals conceded records, xG blah blah.
Things are most certainly not rosey in the garden. Schumacher will be a God if he can navigate his way through all this. Gooaaarn Schuey lad prove the doubters wrong 🙏
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Post by femark on Feb 6, 2024 14:41:24 GMT
Our attacking players consist of: Mmaee - 67 goals in 204 apps - 1 in 3 Campbell - 41 goals in 177 apps - 1 in 4 Ennis - 37 goals in 159 apps - 1 in 4 Wesley - 58 goals in 268 apps - 1 in 4.5 Vidigal - 41 goals in 218 apps - 1 in 5 Johnson - 62 goals in 389 apps - 1 in 6 Manhoef - 15 goals in 88 apps - 1 in 6 Haksabanovic - 43 goals in 248 apps - 1 in 6 Junho - 8 goals in 69 apps - 1 in 9 Leris - 9 goals in 162 apps - 1 in 18 There should be more than enough goals in them, but for some reason they've fallen foul to the Stoke City Striker Curse. What I get from this is that Johnson should be playing, as he has a decent ratio for being a midfielder. Also Leris have been a WB, so that's at least average, unlike the rest except RM (who know if he'll ever play for us again) What about Baker? If Johnson is included, he should be as well. Baker - 47 goals in 264 games - 1 in 5.5 |
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Post by mcw on Feb 6, 2024 15:00:32 GMT
Makes for sobering reading and I reckon if you isolated all of the above (with the exception of Campbell whose record is Stoke only) to games/goals for Stoke you would see that in general the games per goal average is significantly worse than they have achieved at previous clubs...
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Post by swampmongrel on Feb 6, 2024 20:39:47 GMT
Makes for sobering reading and I reckon if you isolated all of the above (with the exception of Campbell whose record is Stoke only) to games/goals for Stoke you would see that in general the games per goal average is significantly worse than they have achieved at previous clubs... I htink it's probably due to most of those goals/games coming in weaker leagues like Cyprus, Scotland, League 1 etc. |
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Post by swampmongrel on Feb 6, 2024 20:44:05 GMT
Stats from here. Each dot is a Championship team and the left is goals scored, right is conceded. Basically if you're on the dashed line you're about par. We're the red dot and actually middle of the road defensively, but we have the flaccidest finishing in the whole league and it's not close. If our lads were even average we'd have put another 7-8 on the scoresheet.
Yeah I know some people think xG is bollocks, but it says our finishing is atrocious and you can't argue with that. Has xG improved at all since Schumacher arrived? My guess would be that we've created more chances but not sure about that. Is there a site that lists xG per game? Anyone know? |
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Post by swampmongrel on Feb 6, 2024 20:50:32 GMT
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