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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2024 20:55:44 GMT
XG One of the biggest load of bollocks in the modern game.
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 6, 2024 21:58:38 GMT
Has xG improved at all since Schumacher arrived? My guess would be that we've created more chances but not sure about that. Is there a site that lists xG per game? Anyone know? Good question, some of the games have felt more fun. Looks like you need to sign up to some paid version to get the data. Otherwise gotta load page for each match report in turn. I can't be arsed... Tachyon?
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 6, 2024 21:59:14 GMT
XG One of the biggest load of bollocks in the modern game. đ I think it's interesting, but I know I'm a fucking weirdo.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 7, 2024 9:27:51 GMT
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 7, 2024 10:11:18 GMT
Stats from here. Each dot is a Championship team and the left is goals scored, right is conceded. Basically if you're on the dashed line you're about par. We're the red dot and actually middle of the road defensively, but we have the flaccidest finishing in the whole league and it's not close. If our lads were even average we'd have put another 7-8 on the scoresheet.
Yeah I know some people think xG is bollocks, but it says our finishing is atrocious and you can't argue with that. Has xG improved at all since Schumacher arrived? My guess would be that we've created more chances but not sure about that. Is there a site that lists xG per game? Anyone know? In the 8 games since Shuey took over, we are 11th in the table for xG - 9.3 (though we have only scored 7 in that time). Interestingly, for that same period, Plymouth are 5th in table with an xG of 11.5 (and they have actually scored 14 goals). Make of that what you will!
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Post by lordb on Feb 7, 2024 11:11:37 GMT
XG One of the biggest load of bollocks in the modern game. & yet it's verified what we can all see Our finishing is shit
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Post by DC1863 on Feb 7, 2024 11:23:40 GMT
The damning statistics are stacking up I've noticed. Terrible home wins record, terrible goals scored records, terrible goals conceded records, xG blah blah. Usually only ends one way.
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Post by baconburger on Feb 7, 2024 11:26:31 GMT
XG One of the biggest load of bollocks in the modern game. đ I think it's interesting, but I know I'm a fucking weirdo. Very often gives a clearer representation of the match I watched than the score line. On that basis Iâd say itâs anything but bollocks. Isnât that what coaching/management is all about? Keep doing the right things and results will come.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 7, 2024 12:52:40 GMT
The damning statistics are stacking up I've noticed. Terrible home wins record, terrible goals scored records, terrible goals conceded records, xG blah blah. Usually only ends one way. Aye its not looking good. But we'll survive........I hope đ
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Feb 7, 2024 15:08:59 GMT
XG One of the biggest load of bollocks in the modern game. I agree to an extent. Some XG providers have more accurate stats than others, and the more accurate the better. In the past, the better stats have been a decent indication of teams that are underperforming and whether they're likely to improve their form (and vice-versa). We've been an exception in that XG hasn't indicated anything apart from reinforcing how poor we keep doing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2024 19:36:52 GMT
XG One of the biggest load of bollocks in the modern game. & yet it's verified what we can all see Our finishing is shit Exactly. Pointless stat, goals count, not expected goals, and I don't need any other stat than our points tally, goals for column, position in the league and my own eyes to tell me that we are wank.
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 7, 2024 19:43:49 GMT
We have been close to going for a few years really. MON saved us. Last year we were lucky to have that purple patch and early season form? And then under Nath we were consistently a relegation form side
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Feb 7, 2024 20:10:41 GMT
Was expecting it to say ....
Early March
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Post by milky on Feb 7, 2024 20:15:14 GMT
Tbh I don't need a weatherman to tell me when it's pissing down.
My own eyes tell me we are absolutely wank in both boxes which is why we are currently staring down a barrel.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 7, 2024 22:50:27 GMT
& yet it's verified what we can all see Our finishing is shit Exactly. Pointless stat, goals count, not expected goals, and I don't need any other stat than our points tally, goals for column, position in the league and my own eyes to tell me that we are wank. Not sure that's true. Looking ar xG against us, most of us would blame our gk for our poor record of conceding goals. Yet apparently our combined three gk's have been better than average for the Championship but we have conceded more goals than we should which suggests it's almost entirely the defence's fault. On the other hand it is probably proof that our defenders are not prepared to put their bodies on the line to tackle and block shots like opposition defenders do at the other end. I have often commented that if there is a scramble in the box we don't score but the opposition do.
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 8, 2024 3:49:44 GMT
& yet it's verified what we can all see Our finishing is shit Exactly. Pointless stat, goals count, not expected goals, and I don't need any other stat than our points tally, goals for column, position in the league and my own eyes to tell me that we are wank. One reason I'm curious is it says something "unbiased" about whether it's because you're making shit chances or your strikers are being shit or both. Or how we rank Vs other championship teams. Fair enough most people don't care though!
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 8, 2024 4:54:37 GMT
& yet it's verified what we can all see Our finishing is shit Exactly. Pointless stat, goals count, not expected goals, and I don't need any other stat than our points tally, goals for column, position in the league and my own eyes to tell me that we are wank. I donât think thereâs any more reliable predictor for future performance though. Over time and larger sample sizes, actual goals will tend to fall in line with xG. As it happens Blackburn were a huge anomaly last season. They got close to the playoffs but their xG was among the worst in the division.. they were all full of talk of a promotion charge this year - I gently warned them they would have to dramatically improve their xG otherwise theyâd be looking at the other end of the table.. I got back the usual âonly goals matterâ bravado but look where they are now. That said of course, I x them to score at least three Gs this weekend đ
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2024 6:16:05 GMT
Exactly. Pointless stat, goals count, not expected goals, and I don't need any other stat than our points tally, goals for column, position in the league and my own eyes to tell me that we are wank. Not sure that's true. Looking ar xG against us, most of us would blame our gk for our poor record of conceding goals. Yet apparently our combined three gk's have been better than average for the Championship but we have conceded more goals than we should which suggests it's almost entirely the defence's fault. On the other hand it is probably proof that our defenders are not prepared to put their bodies on the line to tackle and block shots like opposition defenders do at the other end. I have often commented that if there is a scramble in the box we don't score but the opposition do. Again, I Don't need some XG stat to tell me that. I know we do not have a centre half worthy of the name, amd I also know that we don't have a decent LB on our books. I know that this is a massive reason why teams can score goals so easily against us. I also know that since being I'm the side Bonham has done pretty well and now that Travers isn't here he has been pur best performing Goalkeeper. What XG doesn't tell me is that when we go a goal down, we are pretty much always beat as our heads drop in unison to a man. I can see it all with my own eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2024 6:20:49 GMT
Exactly. Pointless stat, goals count, not expected goals, and I don't need any other stat than our points tally, goals for column, position in the league and my own eyes to tell me that we are wank. I donât think thereâs any more reliable predictor for future performance though. Over time and larger sample sizes, actual goals will tend to fall in line with xG. As it happens Blackburn were a huge anomaly last season. They got close to the playoffs but their xG was among the worst in the division.. they were all full of talk of a promotion charge this year - I gently warned them they would have to dramatically improve their xG otherwise theyâd be looking at the other end of the table.. I got back the usual âonly goals matterâ bravado but look where they are now. That said of course, I x them to score at least three Gs this weekend đ So were we Before the season kicked off, many on here were expecting us to go well this season due to getting excited by the summer business, that didn't take long to gp to shit though So XG is useful to the gambling man then, and those who like to try and predict what's going to happen in the future? Means nowt to me
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Post by theonlooker on Feb 8, 2024 6:40:34 GMT
I always find xG a bit like Jim Bowen and Bullseye.
"Look at what you could have won. Take it back lads..."
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Post by stoke111 on Feb 8, 2024 6:57:21 GMT
Itâs mad that weâre missing Jason brown so much. After people were slaying him saying he wasnât good enough.
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Post by chuckrocky on Feb 8, 2024 7:37:35 GMT
Itâs mad that weâre missing Jason brown so much. After people were slaying him saying he wasnât good enough. Yes just what this team is missing, a forward player that hardly scores.
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Post by idle on Feb 8, 2024 10:05:52 GMT
Itâs mad that weâre missing Jason brown so much. After people were slaying him saying he wasnât good enough. Yes just what this team is missing, a forward player that hardly scores. He scored a lot more than our current forwards though, so yes?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 8, 2024 11:00:25 GMT
All these charts for this and that,what's expected up front and at the back.up
I'm only interested in how many we score,clean sheets,goal difference,how many points we have & where we are in the league.
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Post by stoke111 on Feb 8, 2024 12:15:01 GMT
Itâs mad that weâre missing Jason brown so much. After people were slaying him saying he wasnât good enough. Yes just what this team is missing, a forward player that hardly scores. You do know heâs regularly playing in the Prem now donât you?
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Post by dirtclod on Feb 8, 2024 13:11:22 GMT
I don't expect goals, so don't blame me!
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 8, 2024 13:31:59 GMT
All these charts for this and that,what's expected up front and at the back.up I'm only interested in how many we score,clean sheets,goal difference,how many points we have & where we are in the league. xG tells you what the problem is. If we had a high xG and a low conversion rate the problem is with the strikers. We have a low xG and a low conversion rate which means we have an issue with the midfield not supporting the attack and a forward line that isn't taking their chances so it's a bigger job than just improving on who we have upfront - we have to change the pattern of play to create more chances as well. Our defensive record is bang average but that could well be because the midfield isn't committing to attack. If we become more expansive then that defence will become more exposed and the opposition xG and goals conceded will go up - which is what happened against Sunderland and in the second half against Leicester. xG exposes just how big a problem we have and it isn't just a problem of a misfiring attack.
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Post by a on Feb 8, 2024 13:35:51 GMT
Stats from here. Each dot is a Championship team and the left is goals scored, right is conceded. Basically if you're on the dashed line you're about par. We're the red dot and actually middle of the road defensively, but we have the flaccidest finishing in the whole league and it's not close. If our lads were even average we'd have put another 7-8 on the scoresheet.
Yeah I know some people think xG is bollocks, but it says our finishing is atrocious and you can't argue with that. Disappointing on both xG and actual goals scored. I know some us down to the strikers but such a poor xG shows they arenât getting chances.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 8, 2024 13:40:27 GMT
Itâs mad that weâre missing Jason brown so much. After people were slaying him saying he wasnât good enough. What, the bloke who by this time last year had scored 5? That would make all the difference!
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Post by jhtstokie on Feb 8, 2024 14:12:14 GMT
XG One of the biggest load of bollocks in the modern game. Couldnât agree more, the only stat we should be arsed about is actual goals!
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