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Post by maninasuitcase on Feb 4, 2024 20:39:49 GMT
To give Schuey a chance.
We've been pretty brutal with our last few managers albeit with some justification, but is our lack of managerial patience adding to the problems.
Like others my patience was seriously tested with AN, Rowett and mad Nath.
However if we are to ever build some kind of foundation we have to wallow in the mud first, and I really want someone to build a new empire so why not Schuey.
Im willing to cut him some slack in the hope that he can find some magic formula/formation to get our team clicking, but as others have mentioned that only goes so far if we dont see some crumbs of encouragement.
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Post by Fred Merger on Feb 4, 2024 20:45:23 GMT
I must admit I've taken to Schuey, he has walked into a number of issues and needs to be given time to deal with problems in his own way. Even if we were to be relegated we need to get rid of these bad apples and move on. We don't want to become another Watford, new manager every season?
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Post by sticky on Feb 4, 2024 20:52:13 GMT
Stick with him, generally speaking the footballs better on the eye, and he seems a likeable fellow. Sick to bastard death of all this chopping and changing, it’s had the feel of relegation for at least a few seasons now, and as bad as it sounds I’m not that arsed if we do go down. Season after season of utter dog shit playing the same teams is boring me to death and has sucked the life out of me! New away grounds to try and hopefully a corner turned
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Post by danceswithclams on Feb 4, 2024 20:53:16 GMT
To give Schuey a chance. We've been pretty brutal with our last few managers albeit with some justification, but is our lack of managerial patience adding to the problems. Like others my patience was seriously tested with AN, Rowett and mad Nath. However if we are to ever build some kind of foundation we have to wallow in the mud first, and I really want someone to build a new empire so why not Schuey. Im willing to cut him some slack in the hope that he can find some magic formula/formation to get our team clicking, but as others have mentioned that only goes so far if we dont see some crumbs of encouragement. Stoke fans are possibly the most patient in the country. There'd be fucking riots at other clubs if they'd been forced to chow down on the unending torrent of fucking shit we've been subjected to over the past few years. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 4, 2024 20:55:59 GMT
I think he’s perfect for a proper rebuild as he knows who and what he wants. I’m just not sure he sees the season out if we look like we might go down. Stick with him whatever for me. He’s like us and he’s a good bloke, I just hope the current shower don’t see another one off.
Get behind Stoke for him, even if you can’t stand the players.
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Post by jokker on Feb 4, 2024 20:56:48 GMT
To give Schuey a chance. We've been pretty brutal with our last few managers albeit with some justification, but is our lack of managerial patience adding to the problems. Like others my patience was seriously tested with AN, Rowett and mad Nath. However if we are to ever build some kind of foundation we have to wallow in the mud first, and I really want someone to build a new empire so why not Schuey. Im willing to cut him some slack in the hope that he can find some magic formula/formation to get our team clicking, but as others have mentioned that only goes so far if we dont see some crumbs of encouragement. However bad the abovementioned were, none of them were exposed to the kind of brutality on this mb after six weeks of employment. Let's not start now. |
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Post by proudstokie on Feb 4, 2024 21:04:10 GMT
Only one way to show these players who’s in charge and who the supporters back. Steven Schumachers barmy army belted out by 4,000 fans for 90 minutes at Blackburn. Support the manager and he’ll turn this shit show around!!
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Post by Ron on Feb 4, 2024 21:12:15 GMT
He’s been dealt an incredibly shit hand. I think we should stick with him next season in league 1 as there’s not a chance we stay up.
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Post by mrrine on Feb 4, 2024 21:15:23 GMT
He's been given more than fair game so far.
He's got a lot of slack going forward considering the scale of the task and the wake of an absolute shit-tornado from prior managers.
What he needs to do is quite simple. Win games between now and the end of the season and then fully clear out the deadwood and start again next. (no mean feat.)
I'm fairly sure most people are giving the leeway necessary to back him to do what he needs to do? Even those (like me) who were not in favour of his appointment.
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Post by Fred Merger on Feb 4, 2024 21:25:15 GMT
Stick with him, generally speaking the footballs better on the eye, and he seems a likeable fellow. Sick to bastard death of all this chopping and changing, it’s had the feel of relegation for at least a few seasons now, and as bad as it sounds I’m not that arsed if we do go down. Season after season of utter dog shit playing the same teams is boring me to death and has sucked the life out of me! New away grounds to try and hopefully a corner turned I said exactly the same at work last week. Sick of playing the likes of Preston, Watford, Bristol Cities of this world. Sometimes a change is as good of a rest. It maybe the only way to get rid of some of those leaches that we pay thousands of pounds a week to as well. |
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Post by hoppo96 on Feb 4, 2024 21:26:47 GMT
tbh it's not really the manager that is the source of our main grief right now
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Post by rowbeartoe on Feb 4, 2024 21:33:47 GMT
I must admit I've taken to Schuey, he has walked into a number of issues and needs to be given time to deal with problems in his own way. Even if we were to be relegated we need to get rid of these bad apples and move on. We don't want to become another Watford, new manager every season? Are we not that anyway just in an alternative form? |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Feb 4, 2024 21:35:16 GMT
This lack of concern about going down is ridiculous, as If it’s some panacea for all our ills. I’d rather rebuild with Schumacher in the Championship thank you very much. What twisted logic thinks relegation might be best for us, I’m getting on in years and I don’t want to slip this mortal coil worrying about an away game at Wycombe ever again.
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Post by Numismatist on Feb 4, 2024 21:39:28 GMT
I’ve questioned myself 1m times about what we could do differently.
First and foremost, just compete. We’re not Spurs, West Ham etc that demand a style of play, we just want effort.
It’s been sparse and/or pitiful for so, so long (Leeds H) being an exception, what can we possibly do?
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Post by mamathestriker on Feb 4, 2024 21:41:00 GMT
I must admit I've taken to Schuey, he has walked into a number of issues and needs to be given time to deal with problems in his own way. Even if we were to be relegated we need to get rid of these bad apples and move on. We don't want to become another Watford, new manager every season? This. Ultimately I think right now we could have Pep in charge and not much would change. SS needs our support if nothing else. I do wonder whether his inexperienced may go against us, and if we have any more madcap selections and tactics yesterday though, it'll be hard to stick up for him. |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Feb 4, 2024 21:43:09 GMT
"I don't mind getting relegated out of the Prem, it's boring now, we'll go down, regroup, piss the league and come back up. Proper clubs, proper football- it'll be refreshing for one season." - A load of knobheads, 2017/18
Now we've got the same sentiment about the third bloody tier? I despair at times, I really do.
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Post by spoton on Feb 4, 2024 21:44:28 GMT
I must admit I've taken to Schuey, he has walked into a number of issues and needs to be given time to deal with problems in his own way. Even if we were to be relegated we need to get rid of these bad apples and move on. We don't want to become another Watford, new manager every season? God not again how many more bad apples it's been every year for the past 6 or 7, come on these managers are on millions every year they don't deserve a second chance |
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Post by spoton on Feb 4, 2024 21:49:07 GMT
He’s been dealt an incredibly shit hand. I think we should stick with him next season in league 1 as there’s not a chance we stay up. Christ every manager who as taken over as been dealt a shit hand,,,, how we all forget what we said, its his job to get the players he has to play better end of if he can't do that he shouldn't have taken the job, |
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Post by callas12 on Feb 4, 2024 22:04:52 GMT
Personally I don't think SCFC managers have been given excess grief or hounded out by the fans.
Think we've been more than patient with each and every one. A couple have crossed the line by criticising the fans but in the main the vast majority of fans have patiently waited more so in the hope the corner would get turned and the upturn would come.
There's definitely not been any mass chants of O'Neil, Neil, Rowett or Jones out as was the case in the Mills/Ball era..
The one and only time I recall the fanbase shouting 'sack the board' to any great level was at Shrewsbury away in that FA Cup tie and that resulted in Rowetts dismissal.
So far the solution by the board has always been to sack the manager & invariably most of the backroom staff. Even the Chief Executive Scholes who was getting the blame in some quarters, and various director of football staff who have occupied that role have come & gone. Even head of recruitment under different guises has been mixed around a bit. But nothing ever changes, same old same old it appears, especially on on the pitch. We always gey the hopefully lines Fed us pre season that the upcoming season we'll be challenging for promotion!
Schumacher has my backing right now & will continue to do so. I'll never shout for the managers head & most definitely not so soon into his career with us.
Alex Neil had plenty of time in my view to get us ticking, but again it just didn't happen.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 4, 2024 22:29:12 GMT
You don’t have to wallow in the mud. It’s a results business. Managers who can’t get wins, get sacked. SS will likely have until the end of next season. That is plenty of time for a manager in this day and age.
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 4, 2024 23:21:57 GMT
You don’t have to wallow in the mud. It’s a results business. Managers who can’t get wins, get sacked. SS will likely have until the end of next season. That is plenty of time for a manager in this day and age. I'd get rid this week and bring in an experienced wise old head .. We are going down if something doesn't change and I dont think Steven has got the nous for a relegation fight. I'm not blaming him for our predicament by the way. |
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Post by jokker on Feb 4, 2024 23:35:12 GMT
You don’t have to wallow in the mud. It’s a results business. Managers who can’t get wins, get sacked. SS will likely have until the end of next season. That is plenty of time for a manager in this day and age. I'd get rid this week and bring in an experienced wise old head .. We are going down if something doesn't change and I dont think Steven has got the nous for a relegation fight. I'm not blaming him for our predicament by the way. That would be like Coates saying, "I was totally stupid and wrong in appointing Schuhmacher, so I am appointing Tony Pulis on a rolling contract. When scfc is safe, I'll sack him as well and appoint the next latest flavour of the month" Now how likely is that? |
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 4, 2024 23:42:55 GMT
I'd get rid this week and bring in an experienced wise old head .. We are going down if something doesn't change and I dont think Steven has got the nous for a relegation fight. I'm not blaming him for our predicament by the way. That would be like Coates saying, "I was totally stupid and wrong in appointing Schuhmacher, so I am appointing Tony Pulis on a rolling contract. When scfc is safe, I'll sack him as well and appoint the next latest flavour of the month" Now how likely is that? Sounds like a plan actually. |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Feb 4, 2024 23:50:13 GMT
We should stick with him. He’s walked in to an absolute shit show, thanks to poor recruitment and even poorer management. Schumacher has a very likeable personality, he’ll back our players if they back him and the club. I’m not a fan of some of his line-ups, Gooch starting at left wing and Lowe coming on at right wing for example, but I guess some new managers have the luxury of pre-season or a clear mid-table end of season to try stuff like that out, he doesn’t.
We need to finally start building a culture at the club with strong foundations. With how we change managers, and not just that but moving from defensive manager to attacking manager and vice versa, we’ll never be able to create foundations and a leadership group within the playing staff. Unless you get extremely lucky you need that group for success. I wasn’t a fan of Pulis’ playing style, but he got that sort of thing spot on. Hopefully our next manager is similar to Schumacher, preferably after he’s left us for a bigger job because he’s been successful here!
I just wish the DM/TD/chief scout model had been implemented correctly. But if Schumacher is the manager I hope he is, it might still work.
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Post by musik on Feb 4, 2024 23:51:01 GMT
I've noticed every manager who joins Scfc starts pretty ok, but then after a while it gets worse. Why is this always happening?
I don't think we'll be relegated.
And no matter how hard anyone else would try - we won't be promoted this time around.
So he might as well stay.
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Post by rambo61 on Feb 4, 2024 23:58:39 GMT
To give Schuey a chance. We've been pretty brutal with our last few managers albeit with some justification, but is our lack of managerial patience adding to the problems. Like others my patience was seriously tested with AN, Rowett and mad Nath. However if we are to ever build some kind of foundation we have to wallow in the mud first, and I really want someone to build a new empire so why not Schuey. Im willing to cut him some slack in the hope that he can find some magic formula/formation to get our team clicking, but as others have mentioned that only goes so far if we dont see some crumbs of encouragement. its time we started giving the manager some slack and fucked off these lazy,underachieving wankers...Sack the team..keep the boss!!👍 |
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Post by NassauDave on Feb 5, 2024 0:00:06 GMT
Stick with him, but he needs to slap some of our lazy bastards into the realization that they are grossly over paid for not doing their jobs.
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Post by jokker on Feb 5, 2024 9:15:43 GMT
I've noticed every manager who joins Scfc starts pretty ok, but then after a while it gets worse. Why is this always happening? I don't think we'll be relegated. And no matter how hard anyone else would try - we won't be promoted this time around. So he might as well stay. If you've ever been married it's exactly like that. It starts (more than) ok, but after the honeymoon it gets worse. |
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Post by stokiejoe on Feb 5, 2024 9:32:50 GMT
He's been given more than fair game so far. He's got a lot of slack going forward considering the scale of the task and the wake of an absolute shit-tornado from prior managers. What he needs to do is quite simple. Win games between now and the end of the season and then fully clear out the deadwood and start again next. (no mean feat.) I'm fairly sure most people are giving the leeway necessary to back him to do what he needs to do? Even those (like me) who were not in favour of his appointment. He's had 47 days including the crowded Christmas/New Year period to deal with players others have brought in, some of who are crap! Thankfully getting rid of Gayle will hopefully send a message. Most of the games have been an improvement to watch. Let's give the bloke a fair chance to try and get something from what he has inherited to at least keep us up. |
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Post by stokiejoe on Feb 5, 2024 9:34:47 GMT
I've noticed every manager who joins Scfc starts pretty ok, but then after a while it gets worse. Why is this always happening? I don't think we'll be relegated. And no matter how hard anyone else would try - we won't be promoted this time around. So he might as well stay. If you've ever been married it's exactly like that. It starts (more than) ok, but after the honeymoon it gets worse. Not always says someone who's been happily married for 47 years |
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