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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 3, 2024 18:05:24 GMT
I’ve never subscribed to managers losing dressing rooms and players not putting it in, but that screamed it from the rooftops. There is no way SS picked that side thinking it would compete with Leicester, it simply felt like he picked 11 players.
The formation, the approach, the shitshow that ensued was an embarrassment. I don’t know if it’s him who’s lost them, or more the club as a whole, but this is the first time I’ve ever even considered relegation - even under Neil I just thought we were a bit shit and not fulfilling our potential.
The sharp comments on Mmaee on RS summed it up. If we’re in a relegation battle with players who know they aren’t really wanted or valued then Christ help us. Hopefully we still have enough of them that give a shit.
I’m not normally one for stuff like this and you’ll see from my posts that I back Schumacher and I did with Neil until it became too much. In the space of 4 weeks we’ve gone from look refreshed and invigorated with a bold manager, to the exact opposite. That today was rotten and it felt like it was running through the core.
This could be very messy.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 3, 2024 18:12:09 GMT
I’ve never subscribed to managers losing dressing rooms and players not putting it in, but that screamed it from the rooftops. There is no way SS picked that side thinking it would compete with Leicester, it simply felt like he picked 11 players. The formation, the approach, the shitshow that ensued was an embarrassment. I don’t know if it’s him who’s lost them, or more the club as a whole, but this is the first time I’ve ever even considered relegation - even under Neil I just thought we were a bit shit and not fulfilling our potential. The sharp comments on Mmaee on RS summed it up. If we’re in a relegation battle with players who know they aren’t really wanted or valued then Christ help us. Hopefully we still have enough of them that give a shit. I’m not normally one for stuff like this and you’ll see from my posts that I back Schumacher and I did with Neil until it became too much. In the space of 4 weeks we’ve gone from look refreshed and invigorated with a bold manager, to the exact opposite. That today was rotten and it felt like it was running through the core. This could be very messy. They need hitting with a fart from around the corner |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 3, 2024 19:21:09 GMT
I’ve never subscribed to managers losing dressing rooms and players not putting it in, but that screamed it from the rooftops. There is no way SS picked that side thinking it would compete with Leicester, it simply felt like he picked 11 players. The formation, the approach, the shitshow that ensued was an embarrassment. I don’t know if it’s him who’s lost them, or more the club as a whole, but this is the first time I’ve ever even considered relegation - even under Neil I just thought we were a bit shit and not fulfilling our potential. The sharp comments on Mmaee on RS summed it up. If we’re in a relegation battle with players who know they aren’t really wanted or valued then Christ help us. Hopefully we still have enough of them that give a shit. I’m not normally one for stuff like this and you’ll see from my posts that I back Schumacher and I did with Neil until it became too much. In the space of 4 weeks we’ve gone from look refreshed and invigorated with a bold manager, to the exact opposite. That today was rotten and it felt like it was running through the core. This could be very messy. They need hitting with a fart from around the corner Hopefully Schumacher has got a mad bendy one he can send in to regain the dressing room. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 3, 2024 19:26:47 GMT
They need hitting with a fart from around the corner Hopefully Schumacher has got a mad bendy one he can send in to regain the dressing room. On the subject I never managed one last week but I did creep into a tiny room where an electrician was working, unleashed a Dominos bomb, walked out and locked the door. He was not impressed! |
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Post by NassauDave on Feb 3, 2024 19:29:00 GMT
Hopefully Schumacher has got a mad bendy one he can send in to regain the dressing room. On the subject I never managed one last week but I did creep into a tiny room where an electrician was working, unleashed a Dominos bomb, walked out and locked the door. He was not impressed! So that was you? |
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Post by whatsashig on Feb 3, 2024 19:29:26 GMT
Great song. Silver linings and all that..
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Post by willieeetmiout on Feb 3, 2024 19:31:00 GMT
It's a total shit show.
Absolutely the wrong appointment.
The timing was also crazy given the mad amount of games we were due to play.
The transfer window has been horrifically bad.
He's fallen out with players
Mmaae off training on his own.
Wesley looks to have been tied up somewhere.
Vidigal looks disinterested.
Fans giving players shit on social media and the players fucking responding!!
The centre Half's all look like competition winners.
Jordan Thompson is our best left back.
Scoring wise if the match day squad jumped in a barrel of tits they'd all come out sucking their thumb.
I genuinely think we are nailed on for relegation
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 3, 2024 19:47:49 GMT
We set up to “add physicality” in the middle and across the park against a team who are way better than us. Once we conceded, the game was over and everyone knew it.
Overall, I’d be short on an interview if I had to spend 90 mins standing in the rain.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 3, 2024 19:52:43 GMT
I didn't go to the game today, but there seemed to be a logic in the starting 11 to me. It was our usual 4-3-3 but with two DMs and one AM, rather than Burger acting as the pivot on his own. Meanwhile, we had Leris and Gooch playing as Pulis-style wingers and Campbell on his own up front for some pace if we happen to break away. No idea how that played out in person, but I think I could see the intention.
Second half it looked like he went back to our regular more attacking variation of 4-3-3 but it didn't help in any way.
No comment on the rest of it as I have no idea.
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Post by marwood on Feb 3, 2024 19:56:27 GMT
anyone have a link to the terse one-line responses interview from post match?
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Post by matelot1996 on Feb 3, 2024 19:57:04 GMT
We have to accept that there a very small number of Managers capable of turning the shit show that is Stoke City around. It’s like asking surgeon after surgeon to perform heart surgeries with plumbers tools. Our recruitment is a clown show. I would sack Tricky Martin tonight. John Coates should step down and employ a competent CEO. The jury is out on SS man management already. Today’s selection and rapid fire substitutions of players who shouldn’t have been initially picked was alarming.
This has literally every classic ingredient of a club hurtling towards relegation. Zero Leadership, Terrible Form, Can’t score, Can’t defend.
I think we are done.
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Post by sealion100 on Feb 3, 2024 20:00:40 GMT
IN What world does Campbell start up front today …..?
Can understand Gooch playing Left wing ( not good enough)
But no one else…… ditto Thompson at left back !!!!
But for me Campbell and Cundle were just rubbish selections
If we go down so be it … “we’ll be there every step along the way “ …. But they were poor choices
Campbell no future at all (and he’s shit)
Cundle no point in him at all. .. baker is better … bae is a Stoke player … Cundle just a loan …. Clubs in trouble … !!!!!
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 3, 2024 20:04:40 GMT
We have to accept that there a very small number of Managers capable of turning the shit show that is Stoke City around. It’s like asking surgeon after surgeon to perform heart surgeries with plumbers tools. Our recruitment is a clown show. I would sack Tricky Martin tonight. John Coates should step down and employ a competent CEO. The jury is out on SS man management already. Today’s selection and rapid fire substitutions of players who shouldn’t have been initially picked was alarming. This has literally every classic ingredient of a club hurtling towards relegation. Zero Leadership, Terrible Form, Can’t score, Can’t defend. I think we are done. Yep Martin is obviously a chancer. No way John is going anywhere though, I bet a Pound to a Penny that his sister doesn't want him anywhere near the real family business. Stoke City FC is a way of keeping him occupied in my opinion. |
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Post by walrus on Feb 3, 2024 23:08:50 GMT
I didn't go to the game today, but there seemed to be a logic in the starting 11 to me. It was our usual 4-3-3 but with two DMs and one AM, rather than Burger acting as the pivot on his own. Meanwhile, we had Leris and Gooch playing as Pulis-style wingers and Campbell on his own up front for some pace if we happen to break away. No idea how that played out in person, but I think I could see the intention. Second half it looked like he went back to our regular more attacking variation of 4-3-3 but it didn't help in any way. No comment on the rest of it as I have no idea. That’s a very nice way of saying he shat himself and went defensive. Leicester had been on a slightly iffy run of form and it was a horrible rainy day. The perfect chance to get at them, make them uncomfortable, get the crowd going, and produce some of the intensity that’s supposedly one of his “non-negotiables”. Instead we sat right off Leicester, let them have as much of the ball as they wanted, and rolled over to have our bellies tickled. Absolute shite all round today but it starts with the team selection and tactics which anyone who watches Stoke regularly would have known were badly wrong today. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 3, 2024 23:34:52 GMT
I didn't go to the game today, but there seemed to be a logic in the starting 11 to me. It was our usual 4-3-3 but with two DMs and one AM, rather than Burger acting as the pivot on his own. Meanwhile, we had Leris and Gooch playing as Pulis-style wingers and Campbell on his own up front for some pace if we happen to break away. No idea how that played out in person, but I think I could see the intention. Second half it looked like he went back to our regular more attacking variation of 4-3-3 but it didn't help in any way. No comment on the rest of it as I have no idea. I agree but it didn't work. At least when Pulis played it he had players who were big and strong. Leris and Gooch are not. However I'm pretty sure we'd have had the same or worse outcome whichever team we'd picked. It was unbelievable that those two teams are in the same league and worrying and an indication of the way football is going that in the 'most competitive division' where 'any team can beat another' that last season Burnley and this year Leicester, both newly relegated, have been able to completly wipe the floor with the other Championship teams. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 3, 2024 23:42:19 GMT
I didn't go to the game today, but there seemed to be a logic in the starting 11 to me. It was our usual 4-3-3 but with two DMs and one AM, rather than Burger acting as the pivot on his own. Meanwhile, we had Leris and Gooch playing as Pulis-style wingers and Campbell on his own up front for some pace if we happen to break away. No idea how that played out in person, but I think I could see the intention. Second half it looked like he went back to our regular more attacking variation of 4-3-3 but it didn't help in any way. No comment on the rest of it as I have no idea. I agree but it didn't work. At least when Pulis played it he had players who were big and strong. Leris and Gooch are not. However I'm pretty sure we'd have had the same or worse outcome whichever team we'd picked. It was unbelievable that those two teams are in the same league and worrying and an indication of the way football is going that in the 'most competitive division' where 'any team can beat another' that last season Burnley and this year Leicester, both newly relegated, have been able to completly wipe the floor with the other Championship teams. Would also agree with this. I guess we fucked our chances up when we came down, but if further shows the chasm between where we are and the PL with the money involved. I bet the team the put/squad they out today cost them well over £100M. Not an excuse for us to be quite so pathetic and we gave a better Brighton team more of game only weeks ago, but it does seem like that gap is just huge now. |
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 3, 2024 23:50:22 GMT
Think that picking his boy Cundle will have upset a few players.
And I don't think SS is mentally strong enough or Cundle good enough to withstand that potential undercurrent of revolt.
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Post by i1da on Feb 4, 2024 2:09:29 GMT
It's a total shit show. Absolutely the wrong appointment. The timing was also crazy given the mad amount of games we were due to play. The transfer window has been horrifically bad. He's fallen out with players Mmaae off training on his own. Wesley looks to have been tied up somewhere. Vidigal looks disinterested. Fans giving players shit on social media and the players fucking responding!! The centre Half's all look like competition winners. Jordan Thompson is our best left back. Scoring wise if the match day squad jumped in a barrel of tits they'd all come out sucking their thumb. I genuinely think we are nailed on for relegation Has the makings of a good song. What's the tune? |
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Post by dirtclod on Feb 4, 2024 5:48:32 GMT
It's a total shit show. Absolutely the wrong appointment. The timing was also crazy given the mad amount of games we were due to play. The transfer window has been horrifically bad. He's fallen out with players Mmaae off training on his own. Wesley looks to have been tied up somewhere. Vidigal looks disinterested. Fans giving players shit on social media and the players fucking responding!! The centre Half's all look like competition winners. Jordan Thompson is our best left back. Scoring wise if the match day squad jumped in a barrel of tits they'd all come out sucking their thumb. I genuinely think we are nailed on for relegation Has the makings of a good song. What's the tune? This is the End - The Doors |
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Post by i1da on Feb 7, 2024 1:31:17 GMT
Has the makings of a good song. What's the tune? This is the End - The Doors 10 out of 10! DirtClod for President of Stoke City! |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 7, 2024 2:55:38 GMT
We have to accept that there a very small number of Managers capable of turning the shit show that is Stoke City around. It’s like asking surgeon after surgeon to perform heart surgeries with plumbers tools. Our recruitment is a clown show. I would sack Tricky Martin tonight. John Coates should step down and employ a competent CEO. The jury is out on SS man management already. Today’s selection and rapid fire substitutions of players who shouldn’t have been initially picked was alarming. This has literally every classic ingredient of a club hurtling towards relegation. Zero Leadership, Terrible Form, Can’t score, Can’t defend. I think we are done.
I've seen this suggested on here several times but it doesn't ever really seem to have any logic to me ...
If he's rubbish at appointing managers and he's rubbish at appointing director's of football (is that Martin's official title?), then what makes you think he's going to be any more successful at appointing somebody to replace himself?
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 7, 2024 5:36:26 GMT
We have to accept that there a very small number of Managers capable of turning the shit show that is Stoke City around. It’s like asking surgeon after surgeon to perform heart surgeries with plumbers tools. Our recruitment is a clown show. I would sack Tricky Martin tonight. John Coates should step down and employ a competent CEO. The jury is out on SS man management already. Today’s selection and rapid fire substitutions of players who shouldn’t have been initially picked was alarming. This has literally every classic ingredient of a club hurtling towards relegation. Zero Leadership, Terrible Form, Can’t score, Can’t defend. I think we are done. I've seen this suggested on here several times but it doesn't ever really seem to have any logic to me ...
If he's rubbish at appointing managers and he's rubbish at appointing director's of football (is that Martin's official title?), then what makes you think he's going to be any more successful at appointing somebody to replace himself? The reality is that unless he sells up, then he will still be the owner and can sack anyone he appoints, so no real difference anyway it seems to me? He should get rid of Martin and try to bring in a better DoF, even though his choice would possibly be a hit or miss decision. |
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Post by hotterpotter on Feb 7, 2024 8:02:30 GMT
Has the makings of a good song. What's the tune? This is the End - The Doors Put me in mind of Revolving Doors by the Gorrillaz for some reason. |
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Post by idle on Feb 7, 2024 8:40:59 GMT
I've seen this suggested on here several times but it doesn't ever really seem to have any logic to me ...
If he's rubbish at appointing managers and he's rubbish at appointing director's of football (is that Martin's official title?), then what makes you think he's going to be any more successful at appointing somebody to replace himself? The reality is that unless he sells up, then he will still be the owner and can sack anyone he appoints, so no real difference anyway it seems to me? He should get rid of Martin and try to bring in a better DoF, even though his choice would possibly be a hit or miss decision. MoN has been mentioned before, and I don't think that would be the worst appointment. IF he wanted to stop being a manager that is. |
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Post by anchorman on Feb 7, 2024 9:31:57 GMT
MON as DOF?….I don’t think that’s the worse idea in the world. He’s a very intelligent man & apart from keeping us up, his legacy was to sort out a hell of a lot of shit off the pitch, laying some foundations in the meantime. At the time, he was an invaluable asset to JC, he’s an accountant & is also familiar with business & the corporate world in general. There’s worse ideas.
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 7, 2024 10:32:00 GMT
The reality is that unless he sells up, then he will still be the owner and can sack anyone he appoints, so no real difference anyway it seems to me? He should get rid of Martin and try to bring in a better DoF, even though his choice would possibly be a hit or miss decision. MoN has been mentioned before, and I don't think that would be the worst appointment. IF he wanted to stop being a manager that is. I could get behind that.. he knows the club and isn't a bullshitter. |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Feb 7, 2024 10:53:53 GMT
I didn't go to the game today, but there seemed to be a logic in the starting 11 to me. It was our usual 4-3-3 but with two DMs and one AM, rather than Burger acting as the pivot on his own. Meanwhile, we had Leris and Gooch playing as Pulis-style wingers and Campbell on his own up front for some pace if we happen to break away. No idea how that played out in person, but I think I could see the intention. Second half it looked like he went back to our regular more attacking variation of 4-3-3 but it didn't help in any way. No comment on the rest of it as I have no idea. I agree but it didn't work. At least when Pulis played it he had players who were big and strong. Leris and Gooch are not. However I'm pretty sure we'd have had the same or worse outcome whichever team we'd picked. It was unbelievable that those two teams are in the same league and worrying and an indication of the way football is going that in the 'most competitive division' where 'any team can beat another' that last season Burnley and this year Leicester, both newly relegated, have been able to completly wipe the floor with the other Championship teams. We had the chance to do what Leicester and Burnley have done, no knowledge or imagination and we ended up with Rowett totally ballsing our chances up |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 7, 2024 11:00:21 GMT
I agree but it didn't work. At least when Pulis played it he had players who were big and strong. Leris and Gooch are not. However I'm pretty sure we'd have had the same or worse outcome whichever team we'd picked. It was unbelievable that those two teams are in the same league and worrying and an indication of the way football is going that in the 'most competitive division' where 'any team can beat another' that last season Burnley and this year Leicester, both newly relegated, have been able to completly wipe the floor with the other Championship teams. We had the chance to do what Leicester and Burnley have done, no knowledge or imagination and we ended up with Rowett totally ballsing our chances up In hindsight we may as well have asked Pulis back for a 1 season spin at getting us straight back up.... |
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 7, 2024 22:24:38 GMT
I agree but it didn't work. At least when Pulis played it he had players who were big and strong. Leris and Gooch are not. However I'm pretty sure we'd have had the same or worse outcome whichever team we'd picked. It was unbelievable that those two teams are in the same league and worrying and an indication of the way football is going that in the 'most competitive division' where 'any team can beat another' that last season Burnley and this year Leicester, both newly relegated, have been able to completly wipe the floor with the other Championship teams. We had the chance to do what Leicester and Burnley have done, no knowledge or imagination and we ended up with Rowett totally ballsing our chances up Unfortunately we got relegated the season before the new TV deal kicked which gave Premier teams a huge increase in income. Very poor timing; if ever there was one season when you didn't want to get relegated it was then. Interestingly, despite WBA having been promoted for a season the three teams relegated that year are still in the Championship. That is what I mean by the way football is going. The gulf between the Premier and Championship is getting bigger and the teams like Brighton, Brentford, Forest, Sheffield Utd and even Luton are getting far richer than Stoke did as a Premier team |
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Post by Goonie on Feb 8, 2024 5:44:19 GMT
We have to accept that there a very small number of Managers capable of turning the shit show that is Stoke City around. It’s like asking surgeon after surgeon to perform heart surgeries with plumbers tools. Our recruitment is a clown show. I would sack Tricky Martin tonight. John Coates should step down and employ a competent CEO. The jury is out on SS man management already. Today’s selection and rapid fire substitutions of players who shouldn’t have been initially picked was alarming. This has literally every classic ingredient of a club hurtling towards relegation. Zero Leadership, Terrible Form, Can’t score, Can’t defend. I think we are done. "John Coates should step down and employ a competent CEO" This ^^ ^^ Our downfall seems to coincide with Johns tenure. Coincidence or cause? |
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