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Feb 4, 2024 8:40:35 GMT
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 4, 2024 8:40:35 GMT
The fact that you can make a case Gooch is the 4th best signing of the 20 says it all. He's nowhere near good enough to play regularly at full-back or in a front three. So no idea what he's really for. We had a blank sheet of paper in May, and we've basically just scrawled some gibberish on it. We've got 3 good players - and 2 didn't start yesterday - and we've got to hope Million becomes the fourth. Hard to be too critical of Schumacher when he's inherited this rabble Depressingly accurate and got to question the role of Dublin. Just what was on that PowerPoint that was presented to Schuey when he initially joined? We’ve ended up with a goalie signed on the recommendation of the previous manager, two players on the recommendation of the current manager and then Manhoef.
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Feb 4, 2024 8:51:22 GMT
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 4, 2024 8:51:22 GMT
The fact that you can make a case Gooch is the 4th best signing of the 20 says it all. He's nowhere near good enough to play regularly at full-back or in a front three. So no idea what he's really for. We had a blank sheet of paper in May, and we've basically just scrawled some gibberish on it. We've got 3 good players - and 2 didn't start yesterday - and we've got to hope Million becomes the fourth. Hard to be too critical of Schumacher when he's inherited this rabble Depressingly accurate and got to question the role of Dublin. Just what was on that PowerPoint that was presented to Schuey when he initially joined? We’ve ended up with a goalie signed on the recommendation of the previous manager, two players on the recommendation of the current manager and then Manhoef. It isn't Dublin's job to decide on priorities - it's for the coach to decide on which positions need strengthening and it is the coach who has final say on who to bring in. If one of his recommendations doesn't come off he is responsible. He isn't responsible for Neil and Schumacher not giving the defence sufficient priority.
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Feb 4, 2024 9:02:35 GMT
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Post by cyprus1stokey on Feb 4, 2024 9:02:35 GMT
Defence, what Defence, our defence has more holes in it than a tramps socks! Our midfield is mediocre, and our attack is non existence. Worried too right I am.
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Feb 4, 2024 9:05:11 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Feb 4, 2024 9:05:11 GMT
There were massive concerns about this before a ball had even been kicked this season, but the reality is a lot worse. This lot would struggle in League One- they're shambolic. Right up there with the Kamara relegation team and the miserable excuse for a rearguard that Little botched together. All three of the centre-backs are basically the same player: physically weak, useless in the air and think they can pass the ball far better than they actually can. We have one defender good enough to play at this level: Tchamadeu. The rest of them are a disgrace. Slow as treacle as well.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 4, 2024 9:05:31 GMT
I’ve always thought Wilmot was decent enough and certainly the best CB we have but he’s been as bad as the rest, if not worse lately. All three would get bullied by any average striker in this league - there’s nothing physical about any of them.
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Feb 4, 2024 9:07:07 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Feb 4, 2024 9:07:07 GMT
The fact that you can make a case Gooch is the 4th best signing of the 20 says it all. He's nowhere near good enough to play regularly at full-back or in a front three. So no idea what he's really for. We had a blank sheet of paper in May, and we've basically just scrawled some gibberish on it. We've got 3 good players - and 2 didn't start yesterday - and we've got to hope Million becomes the fourth. Hard to be too critical of Schumacher when he's inherited this rabble In a nutshell, this. I can’t wrap my head around who was in charge of assembling this joke of a defence.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 4, 2024 9:21:11 GMT
Theres been no decent defence at the club for far too long,that's 4/5 managers who for some reason neglect to put it right,why this is,I haven't a fecking clue.
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Feb 4, 2024 11:00:08 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 4, 2024 11:00:08 GMT
I know Thompson isn’t a full back and I know he’s been told to play narrow but fuck me you think he would have taken some responsibility and ignored instructions and gone to mark his man.
18 was in acres of space every time and we let him put in good cross after good cross. He won’t have had an easier game. So fucking frustrating.
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Feb 4, 2024 11:05:38 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Feb 4, 2024 11:05:38 GMT
I know Thompson isn’t a full back and I know he’s been told to play narrow but fuck me you think he would have taken some responsibility and ignored instructions and gone to mark his man. 18 was in acres of space every time and we let him put in good cross after good cross. He won’t have had an easier game. So fucking frustrating. Not sure any coach is going to appreciate players who ignore instructions and it’s certainly not something you’d expect from Thompson who in AN’s words takes instruction well.
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Feb 4, 2024 11:07:01 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 4, 2024 11:07:01 GMT
I know Thompson isn’t a full back and I know he’s been told to play narrow but fuck me you think he would have taken some responsibility and ignored instructions and gone to mark his man. 18 was in acres of space every time and we let him put in good cross after good cross. He won’t have had an easier game. So fucking frustrating. Not sure any coach is going to appreciate players who ignore instructions and it’s certainly not something you’d expect from Thompson who in AN’s words takes instruction well. The coach can fuck off then because it was bollocks. Players need to think for themselves on the pitch and it was clear as day what we needed to do. So grow some balls and do it. The defence is a shit show.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 4, 2024 11:08:15 GMT
It was obvious from the start of the season that the defence had been totally neglected.
All good teams start with a good foundation and if the defence isn't up to scratch everything else you do is so much harder.
We need 2 centre backs and a left back in the summer before we even consider what we are doing at the top of the pitch.
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Feb 4, 2024 11:08:40 GMT
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Feb 4, 2024 11:08:40 GMT
I know Thompson isn’t a full back and I know he’s been told to play narrow but fuck me you think he would have taken some responsibility and ignored instructions and gone to mark his man. 18 was in acres of space every time and we let him put in good cross after good cross. He won’t have had an easier game. So fucking frustrating. And there lies the problem Bayern mate. He isn't a left back and for us to not bring one in was negligent and to be honest to be expected. We needed a centre back and again we didn't bring one in. I really question why the people at the club can't see this yet almost every fan I speak to and on here can see it as clear as day.
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Post by stokemark on Feb 4, 2024 11:10:07 GMT
Rose and Wilmott are as soft as shite, McNally full of mistakes and then we have Clarke (who)
Couple that with no left back and a shit show of a goalkeeping situation then it's an utter shambles and disgrace that instead of strengthening / adding quality in the Summer we brought in the shite we did
Fucking fuming
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Feb 4, 2024 11:11:40 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Feb 4, 2024 11:11:40 GMT
Not sure any coach is going to appreciate players who ignore instructions and it’s certainly not something you’d expect from Thompson who in AN’s words takes instruction well. The coach can fuck off then because it was bollocks. Players need to think for themselves on the pitch and it was clear as day what we needed to do. So grow some balls and do it. The defence is a shit show. Christ you’re a self aggrandising fool.
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Feb 4, 2024 11:11:42 GMT
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Post by stokemark on Feb 4, 2024 11:11:42 GMT
Junior looks a brilliant prospect and Stevens is good when he’s fit but that’s clearly asking too much. The rest are absolutely wank, including Gooch, I don’t care how much he runs around he’s wank. I don’t want any of those CB’s at the club next year, thankfully only two of them are on a contract beyond this season but even they need fucking off if possible. All of them are absolutely wank. Gooch gets an easy ride, he’s absolutely shite…… Totally agree and is generally rubbish wherever / whatever position he plays
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 4, 2024 11:13:21 GMT
I know Thompson isn’t a full back and I know he’s been told to play narrow but fuck me you think he would have taken some responsibility and ignored instructions and gone to mark his man. 18 was in acres of space every time and we let him put in good cross after good cross. He won’t have had an easier game. So fucking frustrating. And there lies the problem Bayern mate. He isn't a left back and for us to not bring one in was negligent and to be honest to be expected. We needed a centre back and again we didn't bring one in. I really question why the people at the club can't see this yet almost every fan I speak to and on here can see it as clear as day. I think it was tough to do all that this window so I will defend them there. The issue was the summer. We needed a starting left back then and signed someone who was a good back up option. And then the centre halves we signed are just back up players. I was told about Rose weeks before and wasn’t happy with it. We don’t have a centre half who is good enough to be starting regularly in this league. We have one defender I trust. And he’s a 19/20 year old kid who has barely played for whatever reason. It’s criminal. Re Thompson I still think you should be able to think for yourself and realise the danger. To not do so is thick as fuck.
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Feb 4, 2024 11:14:19 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 4, 2024 11:14:19 GMT
The coach can fuck off then because it was bollocks. Players need to think for themselves on the pitch and it was clear as day what we needed to do. So grow some balls and do it. The defence is a shit show. Christ you’re a self aggrandising fool. No. On the pitch footballers should adapt and think for themselves. The coaches instructions were clearly bollocks. Close the man down. Take responsibility.
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Feb 4, 2024 14:26:32 GMT
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Feb 4, 2024 14:26:32 GMT
And there lies the problem Bayern mate. He isn't a left back and for us to not bring one in was negligent and to be honest to be expected. We needed a centre back and again we didn't bring one in. I really question why the people at the club can't see this yet almost every fan I speak to and on here can see it as clear as day. I think it was tough to do all that this window so I will defend them there. The issue was the summer. We needed a starting left back then and signed someone who was a good back up option. And then the centre halves we signed are just back up players. I was told about Rose weeks before and wasn’t happy with it. We don’t have a centre half who is good enough to be starting regularly in this league. We have one defender I trust. And he’s a 19/20 year old kid who has barely played for whatever reason. It’s criminal. Re Thompson I still think you should be able to think for yourself and realise the danger. To not do so is thick as fuck. Oh I agree mate it should have been dealt with in the summer but we've now had two windows and we are in the same shit position in defence as we were before. It's toss running of the club mate. I agree Thompson wasn't the best yesterday but neither were many of the players and to be fair to him on the whole he's filled in as best as he can in a position that he shouldn't be forced to play in.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Feb 5, 2024 10:15:00 GMT
Defensively, the biggest mistake we made in recent years was getting rid of Danny Batth. He's no Maldini but I'd take him over any of the centre backs we have now.
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Feb 6, 2024 3:42:33 GMT
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Post by leegthestokie90 on Feb 6, 2024 3:42:33 GMT
Bring David okagbue back from loan from walsall and build the defence around him and junior can't do any worse then the rest at the back
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Feb 6, 2024 8:02:55 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Feb 6, 2024 8:02:55 GMT
Defensively, the biggest mistake we made in recent years was getting rid of Danny Batth. He's no Maldini but I'd take him over any of the centre backs we have now. And therein lies the problem. There is a significant section of our support who want an old fashioned head it and kick it out defender whilst the vast majority of modern manager/coaches don’t employ tactics that that type are able to play a part in.
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Post by anchorman on Feb 6, 2024 8:45:24 GMT
The problem is that we have 3 CB’s who not only are as weak as piss, can’t head, can’t tackle, can’t defend and can’t actually do what a so called modern day CB is supposed to do as in competently bring the ball out of defence & pass it. They can’t even do that without making mistake after mistake. Right now in the thick of a relegation battle, I know who I would want in the trenches and it’s none of the current CB’s.
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 6, 2024 9:56:53 GMT
The problem is that we have 3 CB’s who not only are as weak as piss, can’t head, can’t tackle, can’t defend and can’t actually do what a so called modern day CB is supposed to do as in competently bring the ball out of defence & pass it. They can’t even do that without making mistake after mistake. Right now in the thick of a relegation battle, I know who I would want in the trenches and it’s none of the current CB’s. I think that's part of the problem with a "modern day CB" and what good ones do. Ours play at the nicer side of the game (and are questionable with this) and the dirty and basic side of the game is not in their lockers. A CB starts for me with the basics of "you will not get past me" and anything else is a bonus.
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Feb 6, 2024 11:01:05 GMT
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Post by anchorman on Feb 6, 2024 11:01:05 GMT
The problem is that we have 3 CB’s who not only are as weak as piss, can’t head, can’t tackle, can’t defend and can’t actually do what a so called modern day CB is supposed to do as in competently bring the ball out of defence & pass it. They can’t even do that without making mistake after mistake. Right now in the thick of a relegation battle, I know who I would want in the trenches and it’s none of the current CB’s. I think that's part of the problem with a "modern day CB" and what good ones do. Ours play at the nicer side of the game (and are questionable with this) and the dirty and basic side of the game is not in their lockers. A CB starts for me with the basics of "you will not get past me" and anything else is a bonus. Absolutely!
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Post by noustie on Feb 6, 2024 11:17:53 GMT
A professional side with no left back is just fucking mental really.
Despite all the signings we lack a spine to the team so it's just a rabble. We need a hard as fuck centre back; a ball winner in the middle of the pitch that doesn't play like a tramp addicted to Mad Dog 20 20 and monkey dust and; a striker up top who can hold it up.
We've completely lost any semblance of identity.
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Post by anchorman on Feb 6, 2024 11:30:28 GMT
At any level of football, it’s always about the spine of your team and we haven’t got one.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 6, 2024 11:34:45 GMT
At any level of football, it’s always about the spine of your team and we haven’t got one. We haven't in all the years since relegation gone out and got us a proper captain and leader, let alone a spine. Surely the first thing you do for a rebuild and a promotion hunt is get your leader in to sort the team out on a match day on the pitch. They really don't help themselves...
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 16, 2024 15:54:53 GMT
The problem is that we have 3 CB’s who not only are as weak as piss, can’t head, can’t tackle, can’t defend and can’t actually do what a so called modern day CB is supposed to do as in competently bring the ball out of defence & pass it. They can’t even do that without making mistake after mistake. Right now in the thick of a relegation battle, I know who I would want in the trenches and it’s none of the current CB’s. There's definitely room for improvement, but I thought we looked much better with a back three against QPR than centre-halves... especially given Wilmot wasn't on the pitch! By and large, McNally looked steadier in the centre, holding fort with good tackles, blocks and clearances, with Hoever and Rose either side playing the ball out more. We need to stick with this same back three as much as possible for these remaining games, though major work will be required in the summer if as expected McNally and Hoever return to their clubs at the end of this season.
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Feb 16, 2024 16:02:11 GMT
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Post by franklin on Feb 16, 2024 16:02:11 GMT
No still all over the place too many times and no genuine pace even against QPR the ball over the top caused chaos and panic.
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 16, 2024 16:38:27 GMT
No still all over the place too many times and no genuine pace even against QPR the ball over the top caused chaos and panic. Still, we were exposed far less than as we had been in a back four, especially in recent games. McNally and Rose each lost their man once I think, the latter of which led to those double shots on goal, but both overall had really good games, McNally in particular. Hoever's passing was a bit wayward at times, but he too won his ground duels and he made quite a few passes that got the ball closer to their half. I see no reason to revert to a shaky back four again.
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