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Post by flea79 on Jan 30, 2024 11:39:04 GMT
someone should have a word with him, sending love hearts to sunderland tweets and then trying to have a pop at Stoke fans who have called him out on it if he loves it so much there he can piss back off up to them on one hand we get yet he thinks this is perfectly ok and would appear to be rubbing our noses in it.... He's been one of our better players this season and one who gives his all every game. He had a torrid time against Clarke Saturday but I'm sure many defenders will admit to that by the end of the season in our league. He's showing a bit of respect to supporters of a club he was at for a long time who instead of booing him and giving him shit applauded him for his time there. I don't think it's the end of the world is it? yep i get it, maybe im being a little bit dramatic about it, danger of twitter i guess, the echo chamber is in full flow on him currently, not that he deserves the shit hes getting but maybe less of a show of love for a rival club might be wise!
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jan 30, 2024 11:42:33 GMT
He's been one of our better players this season and one who gives his all every game. He had a torrid time against Clarke Saturday but I'm sure many defenders will admit to that by the end of the season in our league. He's showing a bit of respect to supporters of a club he was at for a long time who instead of booing him and giving him shit applauded him for his time there. I don't think it's the end of the world is it? yep i get it, maybe im being a little bit dramatic about it, danger of twitter i guess, the echo chamber is in full flow on him currently, not that he deserves the shit hes getting but maybe less of a show of love for a rival club might be wise! I just think we have more problems than one of our better players who we can see clearly cares giving his old club a bit of respect back after the respect they showed him that's all mate.
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Post by wilcopotter on Jan 30, 2024 11:42:36 GMT
Gooch’s attitude is spot on, if all the others adopted this well have no worries and might even start going up the table 👍
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Post by haway on Jan 30, 2024 11:44:35 GMT
It’s his childhood club. His family moved from the U.S. to the UK for that opportunity. Simply, who cares if he posts a love heart on social media? He gave everything in the match and looked knackered when he came off. Clarke ran him ragged but it wasn’t for lack of trying. quite correct but even so given the context of the loss etc it could be seen as rubbing our noses in it, it doesnt quite come across right for me! Think you might be reading too much into it. He was at Sunderland since he was a child, and had a professional contract with us for near a decade. Been with us during the shit league one years, and we’re effectively his boyhood club. It’ll be like if a long serving Stoke player played against you, you’d expect the reaction from the fans and player to be the same. I get that it’s frustrating to see after a defeat, but the exact same thing would have been posted had you won, so it’s got nothing to do with the result really. He’s certainly not rubbing your noses in it.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 30, 2024 11:49:41 GMT
quite correct but even so given the context of the loss etc it could be seen as rubbing our noses in it, it doesnt quite come across right for me! Think you might be reading too much into it. He was at Sunderland since he was a child, and had a professional contract with us for near a decade. Been with us during the shit league one years, and we’re effectively his boyhood club. It’ll be like if a long serving Stoke player played against you, you’d expect the reaction from the fans and player to be the same. I get that it’s frustrating to see after a defeat, but the exact same thing would have been posted had you won, so it’s got nothing to do with the result really. He’s certainly not rubbing your noses in it. Exactly. If Wilkinson had gone on to play for someone else and returned, Stoke would have done the exact same thing. If Stoke would have sent him a little message on Twitter, it probably would have been considered as rude to ignore it.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jan 30, 2024 11:54:33 GMT
Think you might be reading too much into it. He was at Sunderland since he was a child, and had a professional contract with us for near a decade. Been with us during the shit league one years, and we’re effectively his boyhood club. It’ll be like if a long serving Stoke player played against you, you’d expect the reaction from the fans and player to be the same. I get that it’s frustrating to see after a defeat, but the exact same thing would have been posted had you won, so it’s got nothing to do with the result really. He’s certainly not rubbing your noses in it. Exactly. If Wilkinson had gone on to play for someone else and returned, Stoke would have done the exact same thing. If Stoke would have sent him a little message on Twitter, it probably would have been considered as rude to ignore it. Let's be honest mate if it was the other way around and he ignored the tweet or walked off without applauding our fans he would have got pelters.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 30, 2024 11:56:16 GMT
What crime has he actually committed? Not sure what the fuss is
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Post by jokker on Jan 30, 2024 12:08:31 GMT
They have hardly set the championship a blaze, have they? A few - very few - good games, but otherwise as average and mediocre as the rest of the team. We will be lucky to collect a few bob for them. If we keep them to the end of their contracts they will leave on frees to pick up any profit themselves. <Jack Clarke, viewed by many as the best winger in the league> Except when he was playing for Stoke City... <a bit insane on the back of a couple of defeats>Agree with that. It's okay to be disappointed, upset even, in the aftermath after a poor performance, but then you have to come down to reality. Even with the first defeat there was a feeling of moral victory, where we'd played well but we just had failed to put the ball in, not for he first time in recent history. And now this evocation of doom... Of course when we've next beaten Leicester and then Blackburn, the atmosphere will be more of scfc being world beaters which is just as stupid as what we've seen lately among the alleged Stoke faithful... I’d agree that they haven’t been incredible every week, but you must be mad to see that they won’t go for profit. They’ve come from relatively unproven scenarios (except for Burger), shone and PL clubs must be taking notice. That immediately drives the price of any player up. Jack Clarke has grown immeasurably since then, he was woeful for us. Name a PL club that would be interested and willing to pay the sums you have in mind ? Apart from Luton who will soon be going down and then won't able to afford paying PL wages...
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 30, 2024 12:09:40 GMT
What crime has he actually committed? Not sure what the fuss is His crime was to play shit in a heavy defeat! No-one batted an eyelid when he did similar earlier in the season BECAUSE WE WON.
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Post by jokker on Jan 30, 2024 12:12:56 GMT
Be old enough to look beyond your own nosetip...Schumacher was just showing a bit of class. Definitely a man with his heart in the right place. It’s a fair point. Is Gooch one of the more senior players in the dressing room already? Is he going to be one of Schumacher’s lieutenants to sort some of the silliness out? Was this the best way to get him onside and imbue a feeling of responsibility & trust in Gooch? It's not about that, buying himself credit. He doesn't need that. It was a simple gesture for a player who was obviously still appreciated by his former fans.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jan 30, 2024 12:38:00 GMT
The boy who Gooch is responding to went to my school, honestly I'm surprised he is able to read and write he's such a m0ng, I'm not exaggerating. He also supported Man Utd growing up. Ridiculous that Laurent and Gooch have now responded to this fat muppet, he's making Stoke fans look bad posting his constant tripe, I urge everyone to block him. Why players respond on there to people like him is beyond me. Man united fan and **** go hand in hand to be fair.
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Post by chamberlain on Jan 30, 2024 13:21:27 GMT
I'd love to hear what SS was thinking leaving him isolated 1 on 1 with Clarke,or was someone supposed to be helping him out and didn't do their job.
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Post by flea79 on Jan 30, 2024 13:25:14 GMT
Think you might be reading too much into it. He was at Sunderland since he was a child, and had a professional contract with us for near a decade. Been with us during the shit league one years, and we’re effectively his boyhood club. It’ll be like if a long serving Stoke player played against you, you’d expect the reaction from the fans and player to be the same. I get that it’s frustrating to see after a defeat, but the exact same thing would have been posted had you won, so it’s got nothing to do with the result really. He’s certainly not rubbing your noses in it. Exactly. If Wilkinson had gone on to play for someone else and returned, Stoke would have done the exact same thing. If Stoke would have sent him a little message on Twitter, it probably would have been considered as rude to ignore it. wilko was too much of a man for twitter
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 30, 2024 16:45:41 GMT
I'm also a little concerned that schuey has seen players pissing about on the training ground but then picks them in his starting XI. How do you know he picked them? He dropped five. Not saying they were the players but you don't know either. He also doesn't say they mess about, just that they don't take the drills seriously. My suspicion is that they don't do enough repetitive practising of things like shooting. It would be interesting to know if any of our current bunch stay out on the field after training just to practice crossing or shooting voluntarily. I think certainly our shooting is poor because we haven't got players who can not get their shots on target instinctively and have to think about it, taking too long. Only practice for hours on end gets you to that situation. Same with crossing, free kicks, corners. If you practise often enough they should 99% of the time land them in the place you are aiming for yet how many of ours don't clear the first man or go straight into the gk's hands? I think that's what he's talking about rather than messing about as in horseplay, flippancy etc
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Post by flea79 on Jan 30, 2024 16:53:34 GMT
I'm also a little concerned that schuey has seen players pissing about on the training ground but then picks them in his starting XI. How do you know he picked them? He dropped five. Not saying they were the players but you don't know either. He also doesn't say they mess about, just that they don't take the drills seriously. My suspicion is that they don't do enough repetitive practising of things like shooting. It would be interesting to know if any of our current bunch stay out on the field after training just to practice crossing or shooting voluntarily. I think certainly our shooting is poor because we haven't got players who can not get their shots on target instinctively and have to think about it, taking too long. Only practice for hours on end gets you to that situation. Same with crossing, free kicks, corners. If you practise often enough they should 99% of the time land them in the place you are aiming for yet how many of ours don't clear the first man or go straight into the gk's hands? I think that's what he's talking about rather than messing about as in horseplay, flippancy etc i must have missed this but where is this link too pissing about on the training ground?
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 30, 2024 16:58:05 GMT
He was pathetic at Plymouth. Then was clapping as he casually walked past the away end. Pathetic at Sunderland then starts blowing kisses at the home fans. Decent otherwise. Probably naive to acknowledge the Sunderland fans after his team lost to them but had he won would our reaction to him be different. He enjoyed his time at Sunderland, was appreciated by their fans and this was his and their chance to say thank you. It doesn't mean he didn'try to stop them from winning and it is insulting to suggest it. He certainly won't be feeling positive towards Stoke fans at the moment so apart from professionalism and feeling responsible to his manager and teammates why should he bother next match?
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Post by stokeson on Jan 30, 2024 16:59:40 GMT
If Walters comes back with Luton would he not get an Ovation? He would from me......
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 30, 2024 17:01:04 GMT
How do you know he picked them? He dropped five. Not saying they were the players but you don't know either. He also doesn't say they mess about, just that they don't take the drills seriously. My suspicion is that they don't do enough repetitive practising of things like shooting. It would be interesting to know if any of our current bunch stay out on the field after training just to practice crossing or shooting voluntarily. I think certainly our shooting is poor because we haven't got players who can not get their shots on target instinctively and have to think about it, taking too long. Only practice for hours on end gets you to that situation. Same with crossing, free kicks, corners. If you practise often enough they should 99% of the time land them in the place you are aiming for yet how many of ours don't clear the first man or go straight into the gk's hands? I think that's what he's talking about rather than messing about as in horseplay, flippancy etc i must have missed this but where is this link too pissing about on the training ground? In his post match interview he said something along the lines of the only way to solve our goal scoring was to take every training session seriously because having over thirty shots and not working the gk wasn't good enough. 'Seriously' seems to have been interpreted by some to mean that the players fool about in training.
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Post by flea79 on Jan 30, 2024 17:06:14 GMT
i must have missed this but where is this link too pissing about on the training ground? In his post match interview he said something along the lines of the only way to solve our goal scoring was to take every training session seriously because having over thirty shots and not working the gk wasn't good enough. 'Seriously' seems to have been interpreted by some to mean that the players fool about in training. i didnt pick that up at all myself!
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Post by skip on Jan 30, 2024 17:22:09 GMT
If Walters comes back with Luton would he not get an Ovation? He would from me...... Don't you mean Jacob Brown or am I missing something?
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Post by chayseeoatcake on Jan 30, 2024 17:23:40 GMT
He was pathetic at Plymouth. Then was clapping as he casually walked past the away end. Pathetic at Sunderland then starts blowing kisses at the home fans. Decent otherwise. Probably naive to acknowledge the Sunderland fans after his team lost to them but had he won would our reaction to him be different. He enjoyed his time at Sunderland, was appreciated by their fans and this was his and their chance to say thank you. It doesn't mean he didn'try to stop them from winning and it is insulting to suggest it. He certainly won't be feeling positive towards Stoke fans at the moment so apart from professionalism and feeling responsible to his manager and teammates why should he bother next match? Shouldn’t be anywhere near the team next match. He put in a 2/10 performance last game.
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Post by foster on Jan 30, 2024 17:33:21 GMT
If the situation was reversed I'm sure we'd be happy to applaud a long time servant to the club.
The fact that he got a positive reception is testament to his character as many ex players are booed when they return to one of their previous clubs.
It doesn't mean he put in any less effort or is disrespecting us.
Much ado about nothing.
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Post by stokeyank on Jan 30, 2024 17:50:09 GMT
Probably naive to acknowledge the Sunderland fans after his team lost to them but had he won would our reaction to him be different. He enjoyed his time at Sunderland, was appreciated by their fans and this was his and their chance to say thank you. It doesn't mean he didn'try to stop them from winning and it is insulting to suggest it. He certainly won't be feeling positive towards Stoke fans at the moment so apart from professionalism and feeling responsible to his manager and teammates why should he bother next match? Shouldn’t be anywhere near the team next match. He put in a 2/10 performance last game. If every player was dropped after a bad performance, we'd not be able to field a team each week. Grow up.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 30, 2024 18:06:02 GMT
The fact that he got a positive reception is testament to his character as many ex players are booed when they return to one of their previous clubs. Top comment.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 30, 2024 18:15:56 GMT
Not concerned with his social media or even his waving to the home fans Saturday, but have to say his performance was beyond awful.
He’s not a full back.
Can’t question his commitment, but can’t work where he is effective either.
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Post by Block 26 on Jan 30, 2024 18:17:09 GMT
This has been well & truly blown out of proportion… Gooch has been with Sunderland through all of their tough times. He deserved a round of applause from their fans & that’s all it was.
He has been brilliant in a Stoke shirt, always puts the effort in & puts some quality crosses into the box. He’s also scored us a couple of goals.
Saturday he was up against the best winger in the league & for me was hung out to dry… whether it’s on how the manager set up or if Leris should have been tracking back with him nobody knows.
He’s one of the first names on the team sheet for me.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jan 30, 2024 18:29:35 GMT
Is easy to clap a player when winning comfortably
I doubt Gerrard would have got a generous round of applause had that been an equaliser
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Post by stokeson on Jan 30, 2024 18:53:26 GMT
If Walters comes back with Luton would he not get an Ovation? He would from me...... Don't you mean Jacob Brown or am I missing something? Yes mate. Proper brain fart by me there.........
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jan 30, 2024 19:30:33 GMT
Don't you mean Jacob Brown or am I missing something? Yes mate. Proper brain fart by me there......... Walters is still causing confusion on here
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Post by foster on Jan 30, 2024 19:33:21 GMT
Don't you mean Jacob Brown or am I missing something? Yes mate. Proper brain fart by me there......... I know what you meant 😏
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