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Post by xnfourt on Jan 21, 2024 10:19:20 GMT
Got to be the worst ever centre Halves I ve ever seen.
Can't tackle or even play ball out.
Most of the time give the ball away.
Birmingham s first goal;Mcnally tackled with his legs apart. Should have took man or ball.
Never thought I'd miss Willmot.
Crying out for Proper Centre Half..fast winger..Top Striker and midfielder who can pass.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Jan 21, 2024 11:00:28 GMT
I think Rose can be good with a decent partner. McNslly is a calamity.
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Post by lordb on Jan 21, 2024 11:04:52 GMT
Think Rose has been playing well lately
McNally has got worse
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 21, 2024 11:10:55 GMT
I think Rose can be good with a decent partner. McNslly is a calamity. After the first games I thought McNally was a much better player than Rose, but now I have changed my mind completely. Rose has improved a lot and looks steady while McNally is making more and more bad mistakes. In fact I now think Wilmot and Rose should be our pairing in central defence, and I'm glad McNally is only on loan so we can send him back as soon as the agreed period is over.  |
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Post by Trouserdog on Jan 21, 2024 11:10:56 GMT
Neither are among the worst centre-halves of the last 30 years, but neither are good enough for a top-half Championship team.
Wilmot has to start, as average as he is.
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Post by juiceandbits on Jan 21, 2024 11:13:45 GMT
Neither are among the worst centre-halves of the last 30 years, but neither are good enough for a top-half Championship team. Wilmot has to start, as average as he is. A back four of Tchamadeu, Wilmot, a physical centre half with Gooch and that's good enough. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 21, 2024 11:33:43 GMT
Think Rose has been playing well lately McNally has got worse Absolutely. At the start of the season I thought McNally looked ok and Rose was a liability. It's completely reversed. You could see how much more confident Rose was yesterday when Wilmott came on. I'd be on the phone to Burnley this morning asking them to recall him and then scouting out a replacement who can actually defend first and foremost. PS did Rose miss a sitter from a corner? Someone told me he did but I couldn't tell from the far end and haven't seen it on any highlights. |
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Post by OldStokie on Jan 21, 2024 12:12:39 GMT
None of them would get in a Lou Macari side.
OS.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 21, 2024 12:17:34 GMT
I thought that they had an average game against one of the division’s better young and hungry strikers.
SS’s game with his defenders requires them to play a bit of a higher line so that we can squeeze the opposition. They couldn’t really do that yesterday as Stansfield + Dembele were so quick and agile.
Both are absolutely good enough for a top half Chanpionship team. They were in one last season 😂
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jan 21, 2024 12:18:54 GMT
Weve had worse centre halves over the years but we definately need at least one upgrade
Surprised that we havent been linked to any, woukd have thought along with GK it was a priority for this window. A Vinnie or Cranny type woukd be just the ticket
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 21, 2024 12:21:21 GMT
Rose has looked much improved, get a new CB in to play along side him and it would be a big improvement.
McNally looks to be going backwards, seems really awkward at everything he does recently.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jan 21, 2024 12:24:32 GMT
The Championship Wollscheid and Wilson.
Always on the verge of a calamity, even when there's no danger.
Rose a 4th Choice CB at best. Good on his day but dangerous most of the time.
McNally has been a huge disappointment for me. Christ only knows what he was doing for their first yesterday.
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Post by Fred Merger on Jan 21, 2024 12:28:38 GMT
The fact that people actually want Wilmot back in the side, says it all about McNally. The hard fact of the matter is that all three of them have serious limitations. All three could also look OK next to a strong aggressive header of the ball.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 21, 2024 12:31:00 GMT
I thought that they had an average game against one of the division’s better young and hungry strikers. SS’s game with his defenders requires them to play a bit of a higher line so that we can squeeze the opposition. They couldn’t really do that yesterday as Stansfield + Dembele were so quick and agile. Both are absolutely good enough for a top half Chanpionship team. They were in one last season 😂 Mate Rose was OK but McNally was utter pants. Absolutely nothing he tried came off. And he's been like that for weeks. Other than the tippy tappy shit round the back did a single pass he attempted reach it's target? Unless it's intended target was of course a Brum player. And bearing in mind the opposition had only 29% possession it's a sad indictment that we're talking about how poor at least half of our back four were. In fact it's even worse when you think that Jordan Thompson, a makeshift left back, was head and shoulders our best defender on the day. |
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 21, 2024 12:43:45 GMT
I thought that they had an average game against one of the division’s better young and hungry strikers. SS’s game with his defenders requires them to play a bit of a higher line so that we can squeeze the opposition. They couldn’t really do that yesterday as Stansfield + Dembele were so quick and agile. Both are absolutely good enough for a top half Chanpionship team. They were in one last season 😂 Mate Rose was OK but McNally was utter pants. Absolutely nothing he tried came off. And he's been like that for weeks. Other than the tippy tappy shit round the back did a single pass he attempted reach it's target? Unless it's intended target was of course a Brum player. And bearing in mind the opposition had only 29% possession it's a sad indictment that we're talking about how poor at least half of our back four were. In fact it's even worse when you think that Jordan Thompson, a makeshift left back, was head and shoulders our best defender on the day. How often do you see centre backs unlock opposition defences? When has it happened against us? It’s a myth in this league. Players who are comfortable on the ball in this league are essentially players who aren’t Batth. SS was pushing the team higher up in the other games. Then, recycling around the back actually can damage the opposition as they have less time to reorder. It wasn’t possible versus Brum as our defence wasn’t quick enough. McNally won the aerial duels, which there were a reasonable amount of. I don’t think that he played that well. He was caught out once and it cost us. Goals always come from mistakes in this league though (who was marking Thompson for ours?). I despise the loan system to be honest. McNally is 24. He has about 4-5 years of decent growth in the game ahead of him. If he was on a permanent, I’d be happy with that. |
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Post by yellowsnowman on Jan 21, 2024 12:45:49 GMT
Neither are among the worst centre-halves of the last 30 years, but neither are good enough for a top-half Championship team. Wilmot has to start, as average as he is. A back four of Tchamadeu, Wilmot, a physical centre half with Gooch and that's good enough. Gooch at lb i know he can do a job there but lets just buy one yeah. |
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Post by satoshi on Jan 21, 2024 12:53:30 GMT
Why does everything have to be the worst or the best ever? 😂
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Post by stokie1947 on Jan 21, 2024 12:59:29 GMT
yet my friend who is a Coventry supporter reckons Mcnally was brilliant for them
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 21, 2024 12:59:33 GMT
Mate Rose was OK but McNally was utter pants. Absolutely nothing he tried came off. And he's been like that for weeks. Other than the tippy tappy shit round the back did a single pass he attempted reach it's target? Unless it's intended target was of course a Brum player. And bearing in mind the opposition had only 29% possession it's a sad indictment that we're talking about how poor at least half of our back four were. In fact it's even worse when you think that Jordan Thompson, a makeshift left back, was head and shoulders our best defender on the day. How often do you see centre backs unlock opposition defences? When has it happened against us? It’s a myth in this league. Players who are comfortable on the ball in this league are essentially players who aren’t Batth. SS was pushing the team higher up in the other games. Then, recycling around the back actually can damage the opposition as they have less time to reorder. It wasn’t possible versus Brum as our defence wasn’t quick enough. McNally won the aerial duels, which there were a reasonable amount of. I don’t think that he played that well. He was caught out once and it cost us. Goals always come from mistakes in this league though (who was marking Thompson for ours?). I despise the loan system to be honest. McNally is 24. He has about 4-5 years of decent growth in the game ahead of him. If he was on a permanent, I’d be happy with that. I'm not asking for them to have the range of passing of Iniesta but simple 20 yard forward passes were regularly going astray. The groans from the crowd were the giveaway on that one. And yes he won his headers - against 2 of the smallest, slightest forwards in the league. One of those midgets who muscled him off the ball for their first goal. |
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 21, 2024 13:04:05 GMT
yet my friend who is a Coventry supporter reckons Mcnally was brilliant for them For whatever reason I think he’s just really out of form, consequently nervy and more error-prone. Over to you Schuey |
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Post by pretzel on Jan 21, 2024 13:05:14 GMT
How often do you see centre backs unlock opposition defences? When has it happened against us? It’s a myth in this league. Players who are comfortable on the ball in this league are essentially players who aren’t Batth. SS was pushing the team higher up in the other games. Then, recycling around the back actually can damage the opposition as they have less time to reorder. It wasn’t possible versus Brum as our defence wasn’t quick enough. McNally won the aerial duels, which there were a reasonable amount of. I don’t think that he played that well. He was caught out once and it cost us. Goals always come from mistakes in this league though (who was marking Thompson for ours?). I despise the loan system to be honest. McNally is 24. He has about 4-5 years of decent growth in the game ahead of him. If he was on a permanent, I’d be happy with that. I'm not asking for them to have the range of passing of Iniesta but simple 20 yard forward passes were regularly going astray. The groans from the crowd were the giveaway on that one. And yes he won his headers - against 2 of the smallest, slightest forwards in the league. One of those midgets who muscled him off the ball for their first goal. There was at least one occasion where he seemed to 'control it' further than 5 yards. |
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Post by biddulphchav on Jan 21, 2024 13:05:29 GMT
McNally is out of form and should probably be dropped on that basis. But I think he’s a much more solid CB than Rose. He was much better than him last year and is younger and has more potential to improve. I don’t think Rose is good enough to be a regular starter and I’m hoping Wilmot is back in soon as I think he and McNally will be a good pairing. I do think we are lacking a bit of quality and experience at centre back though, or at least someone with a bit more physical presence and speed.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 21, 2024 13:08:04 GMT
How often do you see centre backs unlock opposition defences? When has it happened against us? It’s a myth in this league. Players who are comfortable on the ball in this league are essentially players who aren’t Batth. SS was pushing the team higher up in the other games. Then, recycling around the back actually can damage the opposition as they have less time to reorder. It wasn’t possible versus Brum as our defence wasn’t quick enough. McNally won the aerial duels, which there were a reasonable amount of. I don’t think that he played that well. He was caught out once and it cost us. Goals always come from mistakes in this league though (who was marking Thompson for ours?). I despise the loan system to be honest. McNally is 24. He has about 4-5 years of decent growth in the game ahead of him. If he was on a permanent, I’d be happy with that. I'm not asking for them to have the range of passing of Iniesta but simple 20 yard forward passes were regularly going astray. The groans from the crowd were the giveaway on that one. And yes he won his headers - against 2 of the smallest, slightest forwards in the league. One of those midgets who muscled him off the ball for their first goal. Did he get muscled off? The ball got stuck under his legs. Absolutely a mistake, but it’s not like he got bounced to the ground. Stansfield may be slight but he’s also 6 foot 2. They kept whacking the ball up to him so either Mowbray is stupid (possible) or he is capable of doing it on occasion. I certainly would call him a midget. I felt like most of the stray passes into midfield came from Hoever to be honest. Brum were also really well organized to stop someone like Burger from coming to collect, which he often does. |
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Post by thornestein on Jan 21, 2024 13:14:30 GMT
yet my friend who is a Coventry supporter reckons Mcnally was brilliant for them he was very good |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 21, 2024 13:19:08 GMT
We are not going to keep too many clean sheets when you have Mcnally,Hoever,Bonham or Iversen in the side,they all have too many mistakes in them.
Which makes it look even worse,when we are not scoring enough goals.
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 21, 2024 13:20:46 GMT
What’s happened to McNally? I thought he looked very solid earlier in the season. He’s regressed rapidly.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 21, 2024 13:21:43 GMT
I'm not asking for them to have the range of passing of Iniesta but simple 20 yard forward passes were regularly going astray. The groans from the crowd were the giveaway on that one. And yes he won his headers - against 2 of the smallest, slightest forwards in the league. One of those midgets who muscled him off the ball for their first goal. Did he get muscled off? The ball got stuck under his legs. Absolutely a mistake, but it’s not like he got bounced to the ground. Stansfield may be slight but he’s also 6 foot 2. They kept whacking the ball up to him so either Mowbray is stupid (possible) or he is capable of doing it on occasion. I certainly would call him a midget. I felt like most of the stray passes into midfield came from Hoever to be honest. Brum were also really well organized to stop someone like Burger from coming to collect, which he often does. OK mate I've said my piece. No point labouring it. I'd be sending both him and Hoever back if I could and in McNally's case getting a replacement in. That's all. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 21, 2024 13:23:13 GMT
Substituting a centre back at all, let alone so early says it all really. His confidence is shot for some reason, probably having Hoever near him
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 21, 2024 13:25:44 GMT
Did he get muscled off? The ball got stuck under his legs. Absolutely a mistake, but it’s not like he got bounced to the ground. Stansfield may be slight but he’s also 6 foot 2. They kept whacking the ball up to him so either Mowbray is stupid (possible) or he is capable of doing it on occasion. I certainly would call him a midget. I felt like most of the stray passes into midfield came from Hoever to be honest. Brum were also really well organized to stop someone like Burger from coming to collect, which he often does. OK mate I've said my piece. No point labouring it. I'd be sending both him and Hoever back if I could and in McNally's case getting a replacement in. That's all. Fair enough. Football’s absolutely a game of opinions and we just differ on this. Until next time. |
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 21, 2024 14:03:35 GMT
Absokute pair of clowns.
I have every sympathy for Shuey, he must be wondering what a mess he has signed up to.
Jones and MON had some excuse for signing poor players, they had no money.
At least watching the more attacking play is more enjoyable and lifts your spirits briefly, then you get that sinking feeling when the opposition attack us.
The only half decent defender yesterday was Thompson, playing out of position, which shows how bad the rest of the defence is.
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