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Post by satoshi on Jan 21, 2024 14:11:31 GMT
yet my friend who is a Coventry supporter reckons Mcnally was brilliant for them He was. You can’t write him off. Ss can get the best out of him.
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 21, 2024 14:14:24 GMT
They seem to take it in turns each game as to who is going to have a shit one. It would be so nice to have a drama free pair in the middle (and at right back for that matter) knowing that teams have to do something special to score rather than profiting from calamitous and generally poor defending.
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Post by tejstokie on Jan 21, 2024 16:10:24 GMT
Both are absolutely out of their element in the championship. Rose is as slow as a fully laden lorry and weak for such a big lad. McNally has so many issues it isn't even worth typing them all. The worst is his twisting 15 yards from his mark every match. Both should be last resort never a starting player. Theyd be lucky to even be on the bench barring injuries in a serious championship side. But we're run like a discount poundland at the moment at centerback.
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Post by collo68 on Jan 21, 2024 17:07:05 GMT
Both are absolutely out of their element in the championship. Rose is as slow as a fully laden lorry and weak for such a big lad. McNally has so many issues it isn't even worth typing them all. The worst is his twisting 15 yards from his mark every match. Both should be last resort never a starting player. Theyd be lucky to even be on the bench barring injuries in a serious championship side. But we're run like a discount poundland at the moment at centerback. Rose has been our best defender for the last 4 games. I’ve no idea what you’ve been watching.
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Post by emretezzy on Jan 21, 2024 17:11:26 GMT
yet my friend who is a Coventry supporter reckons Mcnally was brilliant for them He was. You can’t write him off. Ss can get the best out of him. Hes absolutely fucking wank. Unless SS can teach him how to kick a football 20 yards to a Stoke player he's got no chance. He played himself out the team in spectacular fashion yesterday and I'd happily see him fucked off and Dixon on the bench moving forward.
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Post by tejstokie on Jan 21, 2024 17:31:40 GMT
Both are absolutely out of their element in the championship. Rose is as slow as a fully laden lorry and weak for such a big lad. McNally has so many issues it isn't even worth typing them all. The worst is his twisting 15 yards from his mark every match. Both should be last resort never a starting player. Theyd be lucky to even be on the bench barring injuries in a serious championship side. But we're run like a discount poundland at the moment at centerback. Rose has been our best defender for the last 4 games. I’ve no idea what you’ve been watching. I watched him get ran past by stansfield and myoshi as if he wasn't even there. Soon as Gooch and Wilmot entered that ended. If we had another central defender on the books he would have been subbed also. Our best defender has been the goalposts. Keep on with dross then yeah?
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 21, 2024 17:33:15 GMT
He was. You can’t write him off. Ss can get the best out of him. Hes absolutely fucking wank. Unless SS can teach him how to kick a football 20 yards to a Stoke player he's got no chance. He played himself out the team in spectacular fashion yesterday and I'd happily see him fucked off and Dixon on the bench moving forward. He's not 'absolutely fucking wank' though is he? Hoever, Mmaee, Vidigal or any other player in the squad aren't 'fucking wank' or 'dogshit', they're all talented footballers. Everyone has an opinion as to who should or shouldn't play or who had a good/bad game but after every game, win lose or draw all I read on here is how wank certain players are.
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Post by emretezzy on Jan 21, 2024 17:52:50 GMT
Hes absolutely fucking wank. Unless SS can teach him how to kick a football 20 yards to a Stoke player he's got no chance. He played himself out the team in spectacular fashion yesterday and I'd happily see him fucked off and Dixon on the bench moving forward. He's not 'absolutely fucking wank' though is he? Hoever, Mmaee, Vidigal or any other player in the squad aren't 'fucking wank' or 'dogshit', they're all talented footballers. Everyone has an opinion as to who should or shouldn't play or who had a good/bad game but after every game, win lose or draw all I read on here is how wank certain players are. No he's wank
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Post by satoshi on Jan 21, 2024 17:58:23 GMT
He was. You can’t write him off. Ss can get the best out of him. Hes absolutely fucking wank. Unless SS can teach him how to kick a football 20 yards to a Stoke player he's got no chance. He played himself out the team in spectacular fashion yesterday and I'd happily see him fucked off and Dixon on the bench moving forward. The point is - he’s a very talented footballer and has proven it elsewhere. He might be out of form for whatever reason, but none of them are actually wank are they. They’re the lucky few who actually made it.
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Post by emretezzy on Jan 21, 2024 18:23:16 GMT
Hes absolutely fucking wank. Unless SS can teach him how to kick a football 20 yards to a Stoke player he's got no chance. He played himself out the team in spectacular fashion yesterday and I'd happily see him fucked off and Dixon on the bench moving forward. The point is - he’s a very talented footballer and has proven it elsewhere. He might be out of form for whatever reason, but none of them are actually wank are they. They’re the lucky few who actually made it. He made it because he's a head on a stick and relativley fit. You would find better 'footballers' in non league. He is good at heading thats it.
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Post by emretezzy on Jan 21, 2024 18:24:21 GMT
Hes absolutely fucking wank. Unless SS can teach him how to kick a football 20 yards to a Stoke player he's got no chance. He played himself out the team in spectacular fashion yesterday and I'd happily see him fucked off and Dixon on the bench moving forward. The point is - he’s a very talented footballer and has proven it elsewhere. He might be out of form for whatever reason, but none of them are actually wank are they. They’re the lucky few who actually made it. I'm not the one who subbed him off when chasing a game at home. How often would a CB get subbed when you are trying to win a game?
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Post by luke2u on Jan 21, 2024 18:43:45 GMT
If McNally had been any good, Burnley wouldn't have loaned him to us. He wasn't good enough for Burnley last season, and the loan he had at Coventry didn't improve him to give him a chance this season either. At 24 he should have shown more if he is the player we need.
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Post by tejstokie on Jan 21, 2024 19:16:02 GMT
If McNally had been any good, Burnley wouldn't have loaned him to us. He wasn't good enough for Burnley last season, and the loan he had at Coventry didn't improve him to give him a chance this season either. At 24 he should have shown more if he is the player we need. Rose and McNally at Coventry averaged 1.6 goals let in via their minutes a match. No surprise they let that pair go when given the chance. Exactly the same here 1-2 goals a match. But, coventry was scoring nearly 2 a match upfront and Burnley as well. We aren't even close towards that. We're lucky for 1 with this lot we have up top and the drip at the back is tilting us downward 👇 the table confirms that. I'd follow their example. Get rid.
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Post by Los Alfareros on Jan 22, 2024 17:45:56 GMT
I just squirm when McNally has the ball and is looking for a pass, he is always a whisker away from a calamity!!
Don't want to slate the lad, but I have no confidence in him whatsoever, it doesn't help that he runs like he has an xmas tree stuck up his jacksie.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 22, 2024 18:08:08 GMT
A back four of Tchamadeu, Wilmot, a physical centre half with Gooch and that's good enough. Gooch at lb i know he can do a job there but lets just buy one yeah. Thompson's fine there. I don't think we'd get better this month to be honest.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jan 22, 2024 18:08:38 GMT
The Championship Wollscheid and Wilson. Always on the verge of a calamity, even when there's no danger. Rose a 4th Choice CB at best. Good on his day but dangerous most of the time. McNally has been a huge disappointment for me. Christ only knows what he was doing for their first yesterday. Phil was a class act.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 22, 2024 18:13:04 GMT
Got to be the worst ever centre Halves I ve ever seen. Can't tackle or even play ball out. Most of the time give the ball away. Birmingham s first goal;Mcnally tackled with his legs apart. Should have took man or ball. Never thought I'd miss Willmot. Crying out for Proper Centre Half..fast winger..Top Striker and midfielder who can pass. You weren’t a fan when we had paul Williams playing then?🤣
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Post by yellowsnowman on Jan 22, 2024 18:14:46 GMT
Gooch at lb i know he can do a job there but lets just buy one yeah. Thompson's fine there. I don't think we'd get better this month to be honest. Im happy for thompson to remain there hes a good pro and puts 100% in every game. Really like him. But we need a new lb at some point i think thats fairly clear to see. Happy for end of season to get there top priority.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 22, 2024 18:18:58 GMT
Mate Rose was OK but McNally was utter pants. Absolutely nothing he tried came off. And he's been like that for weeks. Other than the tippy tappy shit round the back did a single pass he attempted reach it's target? Unless it's intended target was of course a Brum player. And bearing in mind the opposition had only 29% possession it's a sad indictment that we're talking about how poor at least half of our back four were. In fact it's even worse when you think that Jordan Thompson, a makeshift left back, was head and shoulders our best defender on the day. How often do you see centre backs unlock opposition defences? When has it happened against us? It’s a myth in this league. Players who are comfortable on the ball in this league are essentially players who aren’t Batth. SS was pushing the team higher up in the other games. Then, recycling around the back actually can damage the opposition as they have less time to reorder. It wasn’t possible versus Brum as our defence wasn’t quick enough. McNally won the aerial duels, which there were a reasonable amount of. I don’t think that he played that well. He was caught out once and it cost us. Goals always come from mistakes in this league though (who was marking Thompson for ours?). I despise the loan system to be honest. McNally is 24. He has about 4-5 years of decent growth in the game ahead of him. If he was on a permanent, I’d be happy with that. According to the stats Mcnally won 3 aerial duals to Rose's 2 and Wilmot's 1 so he hardly dominated in the air. For perspective Mmaee apparently also won 3 and I don't suppose you said he won the aerial duals for the attack.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 22, 2024 18:20:07 GMT
Thompson's fine there. I don't think we'd get better this month to be honest. Im happy for thompson to remain there hes a good pro and puts 100% in every game. Really like him. But we need a new lb at some point i think thats fairly clear to see. Happy for end of season to get there top priority. Yes that's what I'm thinking presumably more will be available in the summer.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 22, 2024 18:46:08 GMT
We’ve conceded the same amount of goals as Ipswich.
I don’t think defence is our biggest problem.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jan 22, 2024 20:27:09 GMT
The Championship Wollscheid and Wilson. Always on the verge of a calamity, even when there's no danger. Rose a 4th Choice CB at best. Good on his day but dangerous most of the time. McNally has been a huge disappointment for me. Christ only knows what he was doing for their first yesterday. Phil was a class act. Fucking legend.
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Post by nonameface on Jan 22, 2024 20:33:54 GMT
McNallys passing for us has been consistent with the previous season, bottom 25% for passing accuracy. He's targeted and it makes it hard to break at pace as we are likely to lose it with the first pass.
Fortunately he's good at heading and tackling though, right?
Errr - not now!
He's gone from a top end aerial defender who was also above average at tackling to an average header of the ball and a below average tackler.
Would love to know why because it's frustrating as anything and if he had maintained where he was at last season we wouldn't have conceded some of the awful goals we have.
Rose on the other hand has improved compared to when he was at Coventry. Remained a decent passer, still very poor at tackling (bottom 20%), but is better in the air.
Its easy to see why people feel our defence is the problem when you look at these things rather than the goals against column, which is good in spite of our centre backs.
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 22, 2024 20:48:21 GMT
The Championship Wollscheid and Wilson. Always on the verge of a calamity, even when there's no danger. Rose a 4th Choice CB at best. Good on his day but dangerous most of the time. McNally has been a huge disappointment for me. Christ only knows what he was doing for their first yesterday. Wollschied was no where near as bad as some try to make out.Excellent in the air,could tackle and his distribution was good.The ridiculous running style was his downfall.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 22, 2024 21:06:17 GMT
They're not good enough.
When we play other teams we see mmaee and Vidigal etc with defenders running through the back of them, manhandling them all game.
When do these two bully another teams strikers? If they get tight they get bullied themselves.
The two of them were a pair of clowns for Birmingham's first goal on Saturday
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Post by skip on Jan 22, 2024 21:15:10 GMT
You would find better 'footballers' in non league. No you wouldn't. He's out of form and trying too hard.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jan 22, 2024 21:42:00 GMT
The Championship Wollscheid and Wilson. Always on the verge of a calamity, even when there's no danger. Rose a 4th Choice CB at best. Good on his day but dangerous most of the time. McNally has been a huge disappointment for me. Christ only knows what he was doing for their first yesterday. Wollschied was no where near as bad as some try to make out.Excellent in the air,could tackle and his distribution was good.The ridiculous running style was his downfall. Loved a moment of madness and a bit of argy bargy but he was a decent footballer. I really liked him.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 22, 2024 21:56:40 GMT
The Championship Wollscheid and Wilson. Always on the verge of a calamity, even when there's no danger. Rose a 4th Choice CB at best. Good on his day but dangerous most of the time. McNally has been a huge disappointment for me. Christ only knows what he was doing for their first yesterday. Wollschied was no where near as bad as some try to make out.Excellent in the air,could tackle and his distribution was good.The ridiculous running style was his downfall. Also had a tendency to throw a completely unreasonable hissy fit during a game. Quite amusing but didn't endear him to most.
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Post by logdog on Jan 22, 2024 22:08:37 GMT
McNally is being asked to do things he struggles to do. When I saw him last year he was in the ‘stopper’ category of centre halves. Head, tackle, throw his body in front of the ball & looked really good. To play the way we want to play your centre halves have to be decent on the ball & this obviously isn’t his game. He’s playing like his mind is completely scrambled & his confidence is shot. Needs a spell out of the team does our Luke.
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Post by Roy Cropper on Jan 22, 2024 22:58:55 GMT
Far too many mistakes in them as a pair.
I actually really rate Wilmot (I know a lot don't). His passing is as good as any centre half in the league. So important for how we want to play.
Would like a destroyer type alongside him and Rose/McNally seem to be neither.
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