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Lowe
Jan 18, 2024 13:57:00 GMT
Post by jokker on Jan 18, 2024 13:57:00 GMT
I know you believe in Father Christmas still, but your faith in Stoke's management is somewhat misguided. They weren't smart then. Have we even signed a new loan manager after Neil cleared the house? It's his job to ensure a loan deal works for all parts, but we've seen a lot of loan deals which didn't do the club or the player any or much good, although some worked very well with Barton at the other end. There's also been deals which fell apart because Stoke stipulated that the loanee had to play a certain amount of games, and if he didn't, the other club would have to pay Stoke some sum (I've no idea how much). Not many clubs like such a deal, but some have little choice. But it's a tricky situation. If you don't set in a clause then you've got no influence on what happens and the player may end up not playing. But if you do insert a clause, the other club´'s manager will likely feel that his management is being interfered with and the player may end up not playing... Then of course we've also been the club at the other end of some dodgy loan deals under Neil, O'Neill, Jones, and even Pulis. The irony of your username 😂 Sorry to dispel another of your illusions. but it doesn't mean what you think. It's a standard Danish nickname for anyone with my given name.
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Lowe
Jan 18, 2024 14:13:56 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 18, 2024 14:13:56 GMT
The VAST majority of academy players do not make it in football at a high level. There has been at least one documentary referenced on the oatcake that focuses on how teams keep players in the academy set ups simply to make up numbers for the 2/3 players in that year that they believe are going to have a good future. I don’t believe that Blondy, Coates, Sparrow, Porter, Verlinden etc didn’t make it/haven’t yet because they went out on loan. Perhaps they were simply just not good enough? People improve by doing, reflecting and doing again. I don’t see how any of the players you mention would have improved sitting on Stoke’s bench never to be played versus playing week in and week out at a level that was appropriate for them. As for Verlinden, he came back playing well after his loan at Bolton, only for his leg to fall off as he was breaking through. Then he left. Blondy, it seems, is effectively there so that we can field an U21 team while goalkeepers who may have a future, eg Simkin, go out on loan. They would have improved if they had played in the first team. Other clubs do this, but Stoke and cvillestokie appear to vehemently oppose such an idea. I remember throughout the spring season of Covid, Stoke was down to very few players, and O'Neill had eight academy graduates sitting on the bench for several games, but he never played them. No matter how poorly those on the pitch did, and they really were poor at times, they stayed on. Then one day vs Bournemouth O'Neill only had 10 fit seniors, so he was forced to select Forrester, who went on to score the only goal of the game and was motm, so I'd say he was "good enough". And then what happened? He never again played a league game for Stoke and was moved to PV. EDIT: he did actually play three more league at the end of next season, but having been told by O'Neill that he was only cover for Jags et al, he left to pursue first team football for Vale and then Bolton. They signed him for a six figure fee, all of which went into the pockets of Vale, and not Stoke. What would be the reason that they would improve dramatically in this team and not out on loan? We tried to give minutes to players like Christian Norton, who was supposed to be pretty decent in the academy. He’s a forward who’s yet to score a senior goal in over 50 games. Sounds like the type of player we should have been investing so much time and effort in to me. We had players like Keiran Coates, who we most definitely would have tried to send out on loan to a decent standard, but who ended up in Cork and is now plying his trade 4 divisions below us. Perhaps, he was just not that good? Have any of these players been picked up by Championship teams on the cheap when they were released/pretty much just given away? If it’s just Stoke and I who are apparently opposed to young players, why are they not highlighting that by tearing up the Championship at present? Forrester is perhaps the closest success story of anyone who has left the academy after not being used here. However, scoring a goal as a defender is not really a statement that you are “of this level”. He’s still playing in the league below. Despite being young and doing well in the league below last year, the Championship teams didn’t take him on, did they? He should have been given more chances at Stoke though and I would have preferred him as an option now more than Clark.
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Lowe
Jan 18, 2024 18:42:04 GMT
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Post by a on Jan 18, 2024 18:42:04 GMT
The irony of your username 😂 Sorry to dispel another of your illusions. but it doesn't mean what you think. It's a standard Danish nickname for anyone with my given name. Didn’t realise clauses in loans was an illusion! Wow 😂
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Lowe
Jan 19, 2024 10:49:09 GMT
Post by jokker on Jan 19, 2024 10:49:09 GMT
Sorry to dispel another of your illusions. but it doesn't mean what you think. It's a standard Danish nickname for anyone with my given name. Didn’t realise clauses in loans was an illusion! Wow 😂 You know very well I didn't say that, punk.
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Lowe
Jan 19, 2024 11:49:46 GMT
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Post by a on Jan 19, 2024 11:49:46 GMT
Didn’t realise clauses in loans was an illusion! Wow 😂 You know very well I didn't say that, punk. Hard to keep track of your assumptions sorry, I’ll try to stop being a punk, maybe try being a Mod instead 🤟
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Lowe
Jan 20, 2024 9:54:00 GMT
Post by jokker on Jan 20, 2024 9:54:00 GMT
You know very well I didn't say that, punk. Hard to keep track of your assumptions sorry, I’ll try to stop being a punk, maybe try being a Mod instead 🤟 Not even you is that old...
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Lowe
Jan 20, 2024 11:29:27 GMT
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Post by a on Jan 20, 2024 11:29:27 GMT
Hard to keep track of your assumptions sorry, I’ll try to stop being a punk, maybe try being a Mod instead 🤟 Not even you is that old... You’re never too old, although seeing blokes with Paul Weller hairstyles always makes me feel a bit ill 😂
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Post by thornestein on Jan 20, 2024 11:47:31 GMT
he definitely needs a loan to league 1 or 2
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