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Lowe
Jan 17, 2024 6:43:12 GMT
Post by jokker on Jan 17, 2024 6:43:12 GMT
It’s a football discussion board. And your point is? .... Am I not allowed to put forward my opinion? The point is you didn't put forward your opinion... You just thought you were funny, well, you're not.
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Lowe
Jan 17, 2024 6:58:08 GMT
Post by jokker on Jan 17, 2024 6:58:08 GMT
If we bring another striker in in this window I think he’ll go out on loan. Somewhere like Blackpool or Northampton would be ideal, see if he can bag a few to get them in the play off spots. If he goes to N'hampton, he might spend his time there on the bench... The last player we lent them, DWP, did exactly that. Allegedly they never intended to play him, just liked to have him as cover. So this 'oh send him on loan, it'll be good for his development' isn't always/ rarely is what happens.
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Lowe
Jan 17, 2024 8:40:14 GMT
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Post by Veritas on Jan 17, 2024 8:40:14 GMT
If we bring another striker in in this window I think he’ll go out on loan. Somewhere like Blackpool or Northampton would be ideal, see if he can bag a few to get them in the play off spots. If he goes to N'hampton, he might spend his time there on the bench... The last player we lent them, DWP, did exactly that. Allegedly they never intended to play him, just liked to have him as cover. So this 'oh send him on loan, it'll be good for his development' isn't always/ rarely is what happens. "Allegedly they never intended to play him", alleged by who? Of course a club like Northampton awash with money are always looking to take on extra costs for no benefit!
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Lowe
Jan 17, 2024 9:43:36 GMT
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Post by mistergumby on Jan 17, 2024 9:43:36 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 17, 2024 9:52:47 GMT
If he goes to N'hampton, he might spend his time there on the bench... The last player we lent them, DWP, did exactly that. Allegedly they never intended to play him, just liked to have him as cover. So this 'oh send him on loan, it'll be good for his development' isn't always/ rarely is what happens. "Allegedly they never intended to play him", alleged by who? Of course a club like Northampton awash with money are always looking to take on extra costs for no benefit! Exactly. Unfortunately this particular poster has a penchant for making things up as he goes along. If Lowe were to go out on loan and not make it into a league 2 teams staring XI it just proves that he isn’t quite good enough for us yet. I see him as being better than Will Goodwin who’s doing well in League 1 with Cheltenham. If Lowe goes to League 2 I’d expect him to start and stand out.
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Lowe
Jan 17, 2024 10:00:34 GMT
Post by mistergumby on Jan 17, 2024 10:00:34 GMT
If we bring another striker in in this window I think he’ll go out on loan. Somewhere like Blackpool or Northampton would be ideal, see if he can bag a few to get them in the play off spots. If he goes to N'hampton, he might spend his time there on the bench... The last player we lent them, DWP, did exactly that. Allegedly they never intended to play him, just liked to have him as cover. So this 'oh send him on loan, it'll be good for his development' isn't always/ rarely is what happens. DWP at Northampton was a squad filler TBH. He wasn't their 'A' choice as a loan player by any means and his style of play didn't really fit with what they were looking for but he was a bit of a 'name' at that level at the time. So they took the gamble only to discover DWP did not possess any latent or unrealised talents such as lightning pace or prolific finishing/goalscoring abilities that the Northampton coaching staff could have developed to their advantage, such that he would have got more minutes on the pitch. But he did what he was asked, didn't give it the big time Charlie and was well regarded whilst there.
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Lowe
Jan 17, 2024 10:01:37 GMT
Post by jokker on Jan 17, 2024 10:01:37 GMT
If he goes to N'hampton, he might spend his time there on the bench... The last player we lent them, DWP, did exactly that. Allegedly they never intended to play him, just liked to have him as cover. So this 'oh send him on loan, it'll be good for his development' isn't always/ rarely is what happens. "Allegedly they never intended to play him", alleged by who? Of course a club like Northampton awash with money are always looking to take on extra costs for no benefit! Their manager! The costs were paid by scfc, as well you know.
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Post by Veritas on Jan 17, 2024 10:18:10 GMT
"Allegedly they never intended to play him", alleged by who? Of course a club like Northampton awash with money are always looking to take on extra costs for no benefit! Their manager! The costs were paid by scfc, as well you know. If it was their manager it wouldn't be allegedly, share the quote.
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Lowe
Jan 17, 2024 10:23:21 GMT
Post by mistergumby on Jan 17, 2024 10:23:21 GMT
If we bring another striker in in this window I think he’ll go out on loan. Somewhere like Blackpool or Northampton would be ideal, see if he can bag a few to get them in the play off spots. If he goes to N'hampton, he might spend his time there on the bench... The last player we lent them, DWP, did exactly that. Allegedly they never intended to play him, just liked to have him as cover.So this 'oh send him on loan, it'll be good for his development' isn't always/ rarely is what happens. Hmm - not true but hey, do carry on.
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Lowe
Jan 17, 2024 10:43:50 GMT
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Post by malisastokie on Jan 17, 2024 10:43:50 GMT
Lowe is young and he must be showing on the training pitch there is something there as a footballer, otherwise he would not have been around the first team as much as he has.
He gives me the impression he is old school ( nothing wrong with that ) and probably does not fit into a 4/3/3
If we are going to play 4/3/3 then he needs to be probably sold, not loaned.
If we have a plan B of 4/2/3/1 then keep him but increase his minutes because he is better than Gayle.
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Lowe
Jan 17, 2024 10:47:24 GMT
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Post by sensiblestokie on Jan 17, 2024 10:47:24 GMT
The level is so much different than playing at championship level.
He’s obviously a decent striker, but whether that will be for us I don’t think so.
Based off of his 1st team appearances I don’t think he will ever be good enough, but absolutely open to be proven wrong. 👍🏻
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Lowe
Jan 17, 2024 11:07:36 GMT
Post by mistergumby on Jan 17, 2024 11:07:36 GMT
The level is so much different than playing at championship level. He’s obviously a decent striker, but whether that will be for us I don’t think so. Based off of his 1st team appearances I don’t think he will ever be good enough, but absolutely open to be proven wrong. 👍🏻 A young and chubby Harold Kane didn't really look like he'd make it at the very top level when he was loaned out to lower placed clubs earlier in his Spurs career, and no, I'm not suggesting Lowe will develop into Harold 2.0, but you never know. In other news, I wonder what that Kane fellow is doing just lately. 'Making teams worse' is the answer, apparently.
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Lowe
Jan 17, 2024 11:09:36 GMT
Post by etebojan on Jan 17, 2024 11:09:36 GMT
The level is so much different than playing at championship level. He’s obviously a decent striker, but whether that will be for us I don’t think so. Based off of his 1st team appearances I don’t think he will ever be good enough, but absolutely open to be proven wrong. 👍🏻 Interesting seeing him for the U21's where he seems like a genuinely big but mobile unit amongst his peers, and uses his strength and size to good effect. In the Championship his size is useful, but relatively unspectacular up against some of the massive defenders and midfielders he's likely to face. I'm not sure whether he has the chops and ability on the ball yet to add to make the best of his frame
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Lowe
Jan 17, 2024 11:21:17 GMT
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Post by spoton on Jan 17, 2024 11:21:17 GMT
Am i Correct in saying his contract is up in 6 months,if so he will probably be gone
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Lowe
Jan 17, 2024 12:21:40 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 17, 2024 12:21:40 GMT
If we bring another striker in in this window I think he’ll go out on loan. Somewhere like Blackpool or Northampton would be ideal, see if he can bag a few to get them in the play off spots. If he goes to N'hampton, he might spend his time there on the bench... The last player we lent them, DWP, did exactly that. Allegedly they never intended to play him, just liked to have him as cover. So this 'oh send him on loan, it'll be good for his development' isn't always/ rarely is what happens. If it was rarely good for development, teams wouldn’t do it. There’s more than enough data that could be collected on these things. Having a good loan officer is critical. I agree, DWP’s loan seemed like a waste. Souttar’s didn’t though.
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Jan 17, 2024 12:33:25 GMT
I think it's a massive step up from the age range they are in. Imagine say Lowe coming up against, say Vestergard at Leicester, a real unit, it would be men against boys.. I am not saying every player has to be a unit, but most championship CH's would bully the likes of Lowe..for sure they are excellent prospects, but for the here and now, maybe too early. Vestergaard has a lot of weaknesses. I've watched him play for Denmark a lot, so I speak from those experiences: his position play is poor, he's slow, and despite his height, he misses a lot of headers, so it's just a matter of a quick "boy" near to pick up those loose balls, and bingo, goal. But you'd have to pick Lowe for that to happen. Unless I'm mistaken isn't this exactly what happened....? Lowe started at Leicester, against Vestergaard. Lowe had two great chances to score but didn't convert. Not because of the brilliance of Vestergaard either.
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Lowe
Jan 17, 2024 12:51:18 GMT
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Post by a on Jan 17, 2024 12:51:18 GMT
Anyone else think it’s time to give Lowe a chance along side Campbell? The hammering of Man City U21s shows he more than capable of scoring goals. Something our current strike force are unable to do. To add a bit of context, Man City U21’s are not actually very good surprisingly. They are rock bottom in 16th place of Premier League 2 with only 1 win out of 11 Context is key here
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 17, 2024 13:24:17 GMT
To add a bit of context, Man City U21’s are not actually very good surprisingly. They are rock bottom in 16th place of Premier League 2 with only 1 win out of 11 It's not that they aren't very good and more that their U21's team is made up of mainly u17 and u18 boys. We also fielded Campbell and Wilmot in our team last night. Tezgel and Lowe themselves are mere youngsters but going overboard because he's scored in what was effectively an u18's game is a bit daft. Is Tezgel even 18 yet? Yes Lowe is a day older than Tezgal.As you say they are still very young.Lowe won't be 19 till September 18th this year.
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Lowe
Jan 17, 2024 13:34:50 GMT
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Post by a on Jan 17, 2024 13:34:50 GMT
If we bring another striker in in this window I think he’ll go out on loan. Somewhere like Blackpool or Northampton would be ideal, see if he can bag a few to get them in the play off spots. If he goes to N'hampton, he might spend his time there on the bench... The last player we lent them, DWP, did exactly that. Allegedly they never intended to play him, just liked to have him as cover. So this 'oh send him on loan, it'll be good for his development' isn't always/ rarely is what happens. Depends on the player and the team. I’m sure Stoke are smart enough to put in a clause… I’d hope so anyway
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Lowe
Jan 17, 2024 14:07:47 GMT
Post by shakermaker on Jan 17, 2024 14:07:47 GMT
Lowe is young and he must be showing on the training pitch there is something there as a footballer, otherwise he would not have been around the first team as much as he has. He gives me the impression he is old school ( nothing wrong with that ) and probably does not fit into a 4/3/3 If we are going to play 4/3/3 then he needs to be probably sold, not loaned. If we have a plan B of 4/2/3/1 then keep him but increase his minutes because he is better than Gayle. The single forward in Schuey’s front three needs to be agile, strong and show awareness to move into good positions off the ball. Nath has the former, but not enough of the other two. If he can beef up more, then I see Nath as an Evan Ferguson type... only that the latter is 10x the player Nath is at present, which is telling given that Ferguson last season (at the age Nath is right now) was scoring goals in the Premier League. Let's not forget though there were rumours earlier last season of Newcastle wanting to bag Nath as part of an intent to hoover up young talent. He has good potential, and I think Nath is decent enough to score goals in League One, but we must loan him to a team that plays to his strengths, develops his physique, and will use him.
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Lowe
Jan 17, 2024 14:33:04 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jan 17, 2024 14:33:04 GMT
Lowe is young and he must be showing on the training pitch there is something there as a footballer, otherwise he would not have been around the first team as much as he has. He gives me the impression he is old school ( nothing wrong with that ) and probably does not fit into a 4/3/3 If we are going to play 4/3/3 then he needs to be probably sold, not loaned. If we have a plan B of 4/2/3/1 then keep him but increase his minutes because he is better than Gayle. The single forward in Schuey’s front three needs to be agile, strong and show awareness to move into good positions off the ball. Nath has the former, but not enough of the other two. If he can beef up more, then I see Nath as an Evan Ferguson type... only that the latter is 10x the player Nath is at present, which is telling given that Ferguson last season (at the age Nath is right now) was scoring goals in the Premier League. Let's not forget though there were rumours earlier last season of Newcastle wanting to bag Nath as part of an intent to hoover up young talent. He has good potential, and I think Nath is decent enough to score goals in League One, but we must loan him to a team that plays to his strengths, develops his physique, and will use him. I'm not recognising Lowe from your description of him
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Lowe
Jan 17, 2024 16:57:15 GMT
Post by jokker on Jan 17, 2024 16:57:15 GMT
If he goes to N'hampton, he might spend his time there on the bench... The last player we lent them, DWP, did exactly that. Allegedly they never intended to play him, just liked to have him as cover. So this 'oh send him on loan, it'll be good for his development' isn't always/ rarely is what happens. Depends on the player and the team. I’m sure Stoke are smart enough to put in a clause… I’d hope so anyway I know you believe in Father Christmas still, but your faith in Stoke's management is somewhat misguided. They weren't smart then. Have we even signed a new loan manager after Neil cleared the house? It's his job to ensure a loan deal works for all parts, but we've seen a lot of loan deals which didn't do the club or the player any or much good, although some worked very well with Barton at the other end. There's also been deals which fell apart because Stoke stipulated that the loanee had to play a certain amount of games, and if he didn't, the other club would have to pay Stoke some sum (I've no idea how much). Not many clubs like such a deal, but some have little choice. But it's a tricky situation. If you don't set in a clause then you've got no influence on what happens and the player may end up not playing. But if you do insert a clause, the other club´'s manager will likely feel that his management is being interfered with and the player may end up not playing... Then of course we've also been the club at the other end of some dodgy loan deals under Neil, O'Neill, Jones, and even Pulis.
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Lowe
Jan 17, 2024 17:06:35 GMT
Post by jokker on Jan 17, 2024 17:06:35 GMT
Vestergaard has a lot of weaknesses. I've watched him play for Denmark a lot, so I speak from those experiences: his position play is poor, he's slow, and despite his height, he misses a lot of headers, so it's just a matter of a quick "boy" near to pick up those loose balls, and bingo, goal. But you'd have to pick Lowe for that to happen. Unless I'm mistaken isn't this exactly what happened....? Lowe started at Leicester, against Vestergaard. Lowe had two great chances to score but didn't convert. Not because of the brilliance of Vestergaard either. I didn't watch that game, but I wouldn't worry if a teenager misses two great chances vs Leicester. I might worry if he misses them when he's 24. Playing a youngster will likely lead to situations that make the punters groan, but he's done well to have sussed out Vestergaard's weaknesses and played on them. He'll score the next time (maybe).
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Lowe
Jan 17, 2024 17:07:23 GMT
Post by jokker on Jan 17, 2024 17:07:23 GMT
Their manager! The costs were paid by scfc, as well you know. If it was their manager it wouldn't be allegedly, share the quote. It was in these pages.
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Lowe
Jan 17, 2024 17:12:15 GMT
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Jan 17, 2024 17:12:15 GMT
Unless I'm mistaken isn't this exactly what happened....? Lowe started at Leicester, against Vestergaard. Lowe had two great chances to score but didn't convert. Not because of the brilliance of Vestergaard either. I didn't watch that game, but I wouldn't worry if a teenager misses two great chances vs Leicester. I might worry if he misses them when he's 24. Playing a youngster will likely lead to situations that make the punters groan, but he's done well to have sussed out Vestergaard's weaknesses and played on them. He'll score the next time (maybe). I agree. I suppose my point was that he could have scored 2 despite being against the great Vestergaard.
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Jan 17, 2024 17:30:52 GMT
Post by jokker on Jan 17, 2024 17:30:52 GMT
If he goes to N'hampton, he might spend his time there on the bench... The last player we lent them, DWP, did exactly that. Allegedly they never intended to play him, just liked to have him as cover. So this 'oh send him on loan, it'll be good for his development' isn't always/ rarely is what happens. If it was rarely good for development, teams wouldn’t do it. I should ask you to deliver such data, but that would keep you busy a long time. I think managers loan out players because they're creatures of habit. They might go ' I can't make NN do the business for us, but maybe my good buddy at Bristol R. can do it for me' and sometimes it actually works. It even worked for Verlinden (at Bolton), but when he came back he was a different person, and he never again played good games for Stoke- I just ask what good did loans do Blondy, Coates, Sparrow, Porter and many others whose names are now forgotten. Blondy and Sparrow are still with us, but their careers are going nowhere and it's just a matter of time before they will be freed- For the others the loans were just a first step out of Stoke and towards ending their promising careers before they even took off.
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Lowe
Jan 17, 2024 19:06:32 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 17, 2024 19:06:32 GMT
If it was rarely good for development, teams wouldn’t do it. I should ask you to deliver such data, but that would keep you busy a long time. I think managers loan out players because they're creatures of habit. They might go ' I can't make NN do the business for us, but maybe my good buddy at Bristol R. can do it for me' and sometimes it actually works. It even worked for Verlinden (at Bolton), but when he came back he was a different person, and he never again played good games for Stoke- I just ask what good did loans do Blondy, Coates, Sparrow, Porter and many others whose names are now forgotten. Blondy and Sparrow are still with us, but their careers are going nowhere and it's just a matter of time before they will be freed- For the others the loans were just a first step out of Stoke and towards ending their promising careers before they even took off. The VAST majority of academy players do not make it in football at a high level. There has been at least one documentary referenced on the oatcake that focuses on how teams keep players in the academy set ups simply to make up numbers for the 2/3 players in that year that they believe are going to have a good future. I don’t believe that Blondy, Coates, Sparrow, Porter, Verlinden etc didn’t make it/haven’t yet because they went out on loan. Perhaps they were simply just not good enough? People improve by doing, reflecting and doing again. I don’t see how any of the players you mention would have improved sitting on Stoke’s bench never to be played versus playing week in and week out at a level that was appropriate for them. As for Verlinden, he came back playing well after his loan at Bolton, only for his leg to fall off as he was breaking through. Then he left. Blondy, it seems, is effectively there so that we can field an U21 team while goalkeepers who may have a future, eg Simkin, go out on loan.
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Lowe
Jan 17, 2024 19:11:26 GMT
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Post by Veritas on Jan 17, 2024 19:11:26 GMT
If it was their manager it wouldn't be allegedly, share the quote. It was in these pages. As good as gospel then🤔
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Jan 17, 2024 20:46:30 GMT
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Post by a on Jan 17, 2024 20:46:30 GMT
Depends on the player and the team. I’m sure Stoke are smart enough to put in a clause… I’d hope so anyway I know you believe in Father Christmas still, but your faith in Stoke's management is somewhat misguided. They weren't smart then. Have we even signed a new loan manager after Neil cleared the house? It's his job to ensure a loan deal works for all parts, but we've seen a lot of loan deals which didn't do the club or the player any or much good, although some worked very well with Barton at the other end. There's also been deals which fell apart because Stoke stipulated that the loanee had to play a certain amount of games, and if he didn't, the other club would have to pay Stoke some sum (I've no idea how much). Not many clubs like such a deal, but some have little choice. But it's a tricky situation. If you don't set in a clause then you've got no influence on what happens and the player may end up not playing. But if you do insert a clause, the other club´'s manager will likely feel that his management is being interfered with and the player may end up not playing... Then of course we've also been the club at the other end of some dodgy loan deals under Neil, O'Neill, Jones, and even Pulis. The irony of your username 😂
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Lowe
Jan 18, 2024 11:08:21 GMT
Post by jokker on Jan 18, 2024 11:08:21 GMT
I should ask you to deliver such data, but that would keep you busy a long time. I think managers loan out players because they're creatures of habit. They might go ' I can't make NN do the business for us, but maybe my good buddy at Bristol R. can do it for me' and sometimes it actually works. It even worked for Verlinden (at Bolton), but when he came back he was a different person, and he never again played good games for Stoke- I just ask what good did loans do Blondy, Coates, Sparrow, Porter and many others whose names are now forgotten. Blondy and Sparrow are still with us, but their careers are going nowhere and it's just a matter of time before they will be freed- For the others the loans were just a first step out of Stoke and towards ending their promising careers before they even took off. The VAST majority of academy players do not make it in football at a high level. There has been at least one documentary referenced on the oatcake that focuses on how teams keep players in the academy set ups simply to make up numbers for the 2/3 players in that year that they believe are going to have a good future. I don’t believe that Blondy, Coates, Sparrow, Porter, Verlinden etc didn’t make it/haven’t yet because they went out on loan. Perhaps they were simply just not good enough? People improve by doing, reflecting and doing again. I don’t see how any of the players you mention would have improved sitting on Stoke’s bench never to be played versus playing week in and week out at a level that was appropriate for them. As for Verlinden, he came back playing well after his loan at Bolton, only for his leg to fall off as he was breaking through. Then he left. Blondy, it seems, is effectively there so that we can field an U21 team while goalkeepers who may have a future, eg Simkin, go out on loan. They would have improved if they had played in the first team. Other clubs do this, but Stoke and cvillestokie appear to vehemently oppose such an idea. I remember throughout the spring season of Covid, Stoke was down to very few players, and O'Neill had eight academy graduates sitting on the bench for several games, but he never played them. No matter how poorly those on the pitch did, and they really were poor at times, they stayed on. Then one day vs Bournemouth O'Neill only had 10 fit seniors, so he was forced to select Forrester, who went on to score the only goal of the game and was motm, so I'd say he was "good enough". And then what happened? He never again played a league game for Stoke and was moved to PV. EDIT: he did actually play three more league at the end of next season, but having been told by O'Neill that he was only cover for Jags et al, he left to pursue first team football for Vale and then Bolton. They signed him for a six figure fee, all of which went into the pockets of Vale, and not Stoke.
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