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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jan 5, 2024 16:26:01 GMT
It really depends on what Schuey’s vision is for the team. At Plymouth his preferred system was 3-4-2-1, so that’s two 10’s rather than two 8’s. In the 'double 10s' system I see Vidigal and Bae supporting Mmaee. The only way I could see Cundle fitting is if Schuey adopted a 4-3-2-1 – Pearson as 6, with Burger and Cundle as the two 8's. Baker and Thompson would be the backups to that midfield trio. I know Cundle is not Plymouth's player, but could we offer one of either Laurent or DJ in a trade-off to help smooth the deal?! The deal is with wolves not plympton Yep Someone misunderstood my post above when I said Plymouth said no offer accepted Was referring to the comments Plymouth made re speaking to Wolves re him , not that Plymouth hadn't received an offer...why would they, not their player? We have no reason to have dealings with Plymouth at all as you say re this deal
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Post by shakermaker on Jan 5, 2024 16:27:44 GMT
It really depends on what Schuey’s vision is for the team. At Plymouth his preferred system was 3-4-2-1, so that’s two 10’s rather than two 8’s. In the 'double 10s' system I see Vidigal and Bae supporting Mmaee. The only way I could see Cundle fitting is if Schuey adopted a 4-3-2-1 – Pearson as 6, with Burger and Cundle as the two 8's. Baker and Thompson would be the backups to that midfield trio. I know Cundle is not Plymouth's player, but could we offer one of either Laurent or DJ in a trade-off to help smooth the deal?! The deal is with wolves not plympton What I meant was, we could help ourselves by effectively swapping one of Laurent or DJ for Cundle. So we're saying "We've taken Cundle off you. To offset the gap in your midfield, would you like one of Laurent or Johnson to replace him if you pay some of their wages? They're dead good, honest!"
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jan 5, 2024 16:49:45 GMT
As for where he fits, that will depend on how good he is. If he's good enough, he'll start alongside Burger or even higher up the pitch. We may be strongest there but the current lot are hardly pulling up any trees are they? We're still hovering above the drop zone after half of the season. Earlier there was talk of playing with a 4 and two 8s in midfield so possibly 4: Burger, Pearson, Thompson 8s: Bae, Baker, Cundle, Laurent, Johnson So maybe a 4123 or 4141? I subscribe to the view that our lack of goals stems from a lack of creativity in midfield - it's not like the strikers are missing chance after chance but more that we aren't creating many chances and the one's we are creating aren't very high quality. I'm not against bringing in another striker (although it will probably be dependent on moving on Campbell) but unless we create more and better chances from midfield I don't think it would make much difference. Agreed, there’s not much chance creation in the side, especially from central areas so Cundle sounds ideal for what we need right now.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 5, 2024 16:51:43 GMT
The deal is with wolves not plympton What I meant was, we could help ourselves by effectively swapping one of Laurent or DJ for Cundle. So we're saying "We've taken Cundle off you. To offset the gap in your midfield, would you like one of Laurent or Johnson to replace him if you pay some of their wages? They're dead good, honest!" Plymouth pay about 1/5 of the wages we do so it's not likely any player from stoke will go to plymouth whilst under contract here. They are doing remarkably well within their model but I think the bubble will burst now they're losing these young loan players
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jan 5, 2024 16:54:39 GMT
What I meant was, we could help ourselves by effectively swapping one of Laurent or DJ for Cundle. So we're saying "We've taken Cundle off you. To offset the gap in your midfield, would you like one of Laurent or Johnson to replace him if you pay some of their wages? They're dead good, honest!" Plymouth pay about 1/5 of the wages we do so it's not likely any player from stoke will go to plymouth whilst under contract here. They are doing remarkably well within their model but I think the bubble will burst now they're losing these young loan players And let's not assume our players would be remotely interested or that they would want them. No need to have any dealing with Plymouth at all over this one
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Post by nigerianstokie on Jan 5, 2024 17:07:24 GMT
I liked being referred to as “Immoral Earnings FC.” This whole thing really making me love Schumacher more by the day.
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 5, 2024 17:26:29 GMT
He's a quality player. He doesn't want to spend the best part of his career growth bumming around in Plymouth.
They need to get over themselves. If we can have a manager away from those up in the North East, that are the self proclaimed biggest club in the whole wide world then our owners can take their pick from Plymouth...
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jan 5, 2024 17:34:39 GMT
He's a quality player. He doesn't want to spend the best part of his career growth bumming around in Plymouth. They need to get over themselves. If we can have a manager away from those up in the North East, that are the self proclaimed biggest club in the whole wide world then our owners can take their pick from Plymouth... 😉 I think bumming is the number 1 occupation in Plymouth Bet Horace lives there
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 5, 2024 17:37:50 GMT
Think we've done OK since STS arrived and Pearson was out of the side. The bloke is a fat lazy fucker, a walking yellow card and only here for the cash. Walking being apt as that's what he does mainly while the oppo run past him. Neil was 100% the problem and now he's gone. The ex Preston lads should follow him out of the door. We'll see a brighter future. Thompson isn't the answer no, hence why we need replacements. "Defensive players have not been our problem" .... fuck me sideways. Goals conceded: 32 - in or near the top 6 (fewer than Ipswich and Hull) Goals scored: 25 - in or near the bottom three (only SheffW, QPR and Rotherham have scored less) Yeah, it's the defence that's the problem... The numbers don't support your stance. Performances do. Ultra negative under a manager who was scared of his own shadow. Hence relatively low goals conceded. I've never rated Pearson as highly as some do on here, before he signed and after. His performances have backed up my opinion 100%. Appears STS agrees with me.
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 5, 2024 17:44:24 GMT
I think midfield has been an issue for quite a while, simply isn't mobile or athletic enough. Schuey has clearly seen this and is taking swift action to address it..
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Post by march4 on Jan 5, 2024 17:50:20 GMT
The lad has only started 13 league games this season (with 11 subs appearances) but appears to have been fit throughout. Why would the manager want to make his first permanent signing a player from his previous club who he didn't pick when everyone was fit? Doesn't make sense.
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Post by wrexhamstokie90 on Jan 5, 2024 17:53:37 GMT
The lad has only started 13 league games this season (with 11 subs appearances) but appears to have been fit throughout. Why would the manager want to make his first permanent signing a player from his previous club who he didn't pick when everyone was fit? Doesn't make sense. Because he’s better than what we have in that position
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 5, 2024 17:56:48 GMT
The lad has only started 13 league games this season (with 11 subs appearances) but appears to have been fit throughout. Why would the manager want to make his first permanent signing a player from his previous club who he didn't pick when everyone was fit? Doesn't make sense. pasoti.co.uk/threads/luke-cundle.125837/He's just starting out at 21, isn't he? Not many midfielders of that age have got his game time at this level, last season and this
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jan 5, 2024 18:00:39 GMT
He's good on football manager. Other than that I don't know a great deal about him but obviously our manager does and that's good enough for me.
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Post by pavel on Jan 5, 2024 18:07:45 GMT
He's a quality player. He doesn't want to spend the best part of his career growth bumming around in Plymouth. They need to get over themselves. If we can have a manager away from those up in the North East, that are the self proclaimed biggest club in the whole wide world then our owners can take their pick from Plymouth... 😉 Feel sorry for Plymouth, first we take their manager, then Cundle (hopefully), where will it end, the lighthouse, harbour, cliffs, beach, countryside, holiday homes? This could transform Stoke, bring it on.
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Post by pretzel on Jan 5, 2024 18:13:44 GMT
He's a quality player. He doesn't want to spend the best part of his career growth bumming around in Plymouth. They need to get over themselves. If we can have a manager away from those up in the North East, that are the self proclaimed biggest club in the whole wide world then our owners can take their pick from Plymouth... 😉 Feel sorry for Plymouth, first we take their manager, then Cundle (hopefully), where will it end, the lighthouse, harbour, cliffs, beach, countryside, holiday homes? This could transform Stoke, bring it on. Even worse when you see that their forum is sponsored by Lang & Potter They must be so damaged seeing that everytime they log in.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jan 5, 2024 18:14:16 GMT
Is this a manager signing or a recruitment team signing?
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Post by baconburger on Jan 5, 2024 18:19:26 GMT
He's a quality player. He doesn't want to spend the best part of his career growth bumming around in Plymouth. They need to get over themselves. If we can have a manager away from those up in the North East, that are the self proclaimed biggest club in the whole wide world then our owners can take their pick from Plymouth... 😉 Feel sorry for Plymouth, first we take their manager, then Cundle (hopefully), where will it end, the lighthouse, harbour, cliffs, beach, countryside, holiday homes? This could transform Stoke, bring it on. It’s hard to know what to think are they being stripped of their assets or is this what keeps them going?
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Post by baconburger on Jan 5, 2024 18:23:58 GMT
Is this a manager signing or a recruitment team signing? You’d think it’s initiated by Schu but very much in line with the profile of what the recruitment team are searching for. For the lads stats and experience at the price suggested it’s a bit of a no brainer. Even though on principle I’m against it without moving another central midfielder out. Being disciplined is not an easy choice.
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Post by march4 on Jan 5, 2024 18:29:26 GMT
Is this a manager signing or a recruitment team signing? My thought exactly. He was hardly first name on the team sheet at the manager's previous club.
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Post by pavel on Jan 5, 2024 18:29:57 GMT
Goals conceded: 32 - in or near the top 6 (fewer than Ipswich and Hull) Goals scored: 25 - in or near the bottom three (only SheffW, QPR and Rotherham have scored less) Yeah, it's the defence that's the problem... The numbers don't support your stance. Performances do. Ultra negative under a manager who was scared of his own shadow. Hence relatively low goals conceded. I've never rated Pearson as highly as some do on here, before he signed and after. His performances have backed up my opinion 100%. Appears STS agrees with me. Yep agree with all that and even though we've not conceded that many we have sailed so close to the wind at times where simple through balls and balls forward catch us out all the time. Saying that I don't expect we'll see much change in the defence this window apart from a left back, maybe just maybe a back up CB. On Pearson, he just sits too deep because he has so little pace and that allows players to run at us in the danger areas and that's why I don't think he fits into Schumacher's plans, I suspect he wants to cut off the lines of supply much further upfield and that will be a test for our CB's where we lack pace, hopefully if we get a pacy FB in this will be alleviated along with Junior, sort of like using Kyle walker in the manc City team
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Post by march4 on Jan 5, 2024 18:31:27 GMT
He's a quality player. He doesn't want to spend the best part of his career growth bumming around in Plymouth. They need to get over themselves. If we can have a manager away from those up in the North East, that are the self proclaimed biggest club in the whole wide world then our owners can take their pick from Plymouth... 😉 Feel sorry for Plymouth, first we take their manager, then Cundle (hopefully), where will it end, the lighthouse, harbour, cliffs, beach, countryside, holiday homes? This could transform Stoke, bring it on. The Coates family could afford them. Transporting them to Stoke might prove more of an issue though.
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Post by pavel on Jan 5, 2024 18:33:13 GMT
Feel sorry for Plymouth, first we take their manager, then Cundle (hopefully), where will it end, the lighthouse, harbour, cliffs, beach, countryside, holiday homes? This could transform Stoke, bring it on. The Coates family could afford them. Transporting them to Stoke might prove more of an issue though. It's the sea I'm worried about.
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Post by march4 on Jan 5, 2024 18:35:08 GMT
The Coates family could afford them. Transporting them to Stoke might prove more of an issue though. It's the sea I'm worried about. I hear its cold and wet.
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Post by chell_rosey on Jan 5, 2024 18:36:13 GMT
.....growth bumming around in Plymouth. Sounds absolutely gross. Got any pics.....?
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Post by baconburger on Jan 5, 2024 18:38:00 GMT
The Coates family could afford them. Transporting them to Stoke might prove more of an issue though. It's the sea I'm worried about. Well it’s not the sea but I’m pretty sure we’ve already got all the water we could possibly need😩😩😩 Can’t wait to go back to Spain.
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 5, 2024 18:39:50 GMT
He's a quality player. He doesn't want to spend the best part of his career growth bumming around in Plymouth. They need to get over themselves. If we can have a manager away from those up in the North East, that are the self proclaimed biggest club in the whole wide world then our owners can take their pick from Plymouth... 😉 Feel sorry for Plymouth, first we take their manager, then Cundle (hopefully), where will it end, the lighthouse, harbour, cliffs, beach, countryside, holiday homes? This could transform Stoke, bring it on. Harbourside Fish n Chip shop 👌
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Post by Dutchpeter on Jan 5, 2024 19:01:30 GMT
Hopefully put in a bid for Cap’n Jaspers and the Dolphin pub 🤣
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Post by Marc01 on Jan 5, 2024 19:18:17 GMT
It really depends on what Schuey’s vision is for the team. At Plymouth his preferred system was 3-4-2-1, so that’s two 10’s rather than two 8’s. In the 'double 10s' system I see Vidigal and Bae supporting Mmaee. The only way I could see Cundle fitting is if Schuey adopted a 4-3-2-1 – Pearson as 6, with Burger and Cundle as the two 8's. Baker and Thompson would be the backups to that midfield trio. I know Cundle is not Plymouth's player, but could we offer one of either Laurent or DJ in a trade-off to help smooth the deal?! Why would we need to smooth the deal? Wolves are thought to be exceedingly keen to sign Laurent and DJ in a “double swoop” to help cement their recent PL progress.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jan 5, 2024 19:21:50 GMT
Why would we need to smooth the deal? Wolves are thought to be exceedingly keen to sign Laurent and DJ in a “double swoop” to help cement their recent PL progress. More chance of Anorexics Anonymous wanting Vanessa Feltz
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