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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 21, 2024 11:25:14 GMT
What, so Birmingham’s game plan yesterday was to concede 24 shots, get battered and presume they’d still win the game? Utter bollocks. Yes, teams know we have our limitations and we were the masters of our own downfall yesterday but Birmingham were extremely lucky to win that, and they didn’t win it because of their approach to it. Schumacher doesn’t go out there and tell us to go 2-0 down does he? I’m failing to see what else he can do there. There have been times in the past where we’ve gone behind and you know they are going to shut up shop and nullify us. That was in no way the case yesterday. It should have been 1-1 before it was 0-2 and it should still have been at least a point after we went 0-2 down. Possibly the most positive I've ever walked away from a home defeat. My only real concern is we need either a) one of our strikers starts banging em in or b) we get a striker in. The rest of the team however is definitely moving in the right direction. First goal conceded was sloppy but we'll tighten up on stuff like that. And not much we can do about the free kick except not give it away in the first place. Another day we could and we will win that 4-1. Same, and I appreciate it might feel a bit more “here we go again, typical Stoke” but unlike Neil, you know Schumacher will stick with this and we’ll certainly win more than we’ll lose. The only annoying thing for me is that this run we’ve been on, has seen us stay exactly where we were in terms of league position. The gap between the bottom 3 isn’t much to worry about, granted, but there is no way we are the 19th worst team in this league. I was hoping yesterday would get us up to 15th and within striking distance of the play offs but I think I’m going to have to stop thinking so positively after a few decent games because we just never seem to *quite* capitalise.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jan 21, 2024 11:31:41 GMT
Possibly the most positive I've ever walked away from a home defeat. My only real concern is we need either a) one of our strikers starts banging em in or b) we get a striker in. The rest of the team however is definitely moving in the right direction. First goal conceded was sloppy but we'll tighten up on stuff like that. And not much we can do about the free kick except not give it away in the first place. Another day we could and we will win that 4-1. Same, and I appreciate it might feel a bit more “here we go again, typical Stoke” but unlike Neil, you know Schumacher will stick with this and we’ll certainly win more than we’ll lose. The only annoying thing for me is that this run we’ve been on, has seen us stay exactly where we were in terms of league position. The gap between the bottom 3 isn’t much to worry about, granted, but there is no way we are the 19th worst team in this league. I was hoping yesterday would get us up to 15th and within striking distance of the play offs but I think I’m going to have to stop thinking so positively after a few decent games because we just never seem to *quite* capitalise.Yeah. My feeling was we needed to win yesterday to give us an outside shot at the play offs. That's an even bigger mountain now sadly. However the main aim for the rest of the season is to keep playing this front foot football and getting better at it. Top half would be a good season. Schumacher is going to keep improving us, I'm really confident about that 🙏
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Post by proudstokie on Jan 21, 2024 12:04:01 GMT
Same, and I appreciate it might feel a bit more “here we go again, typical Stoke” but unlike Neil, you know Schumacher will stick with this and we’ll certainly win more than we’ll lose. The only annoying thing for me is that this run we’ve been on, has seen us stay exactly where we were in terms of league position. The gap between the bottom 3 isn’t much to worry about, granted, but there is no way we are the 19th worst team in this league. I was hoping yesterday would get us up to 15th and within striking distance of the play offs but I think I’m going to have to stop thinking so positively after a few decent games because we just never seem to *quite* capitalise. Yeah. My feeling was we needed to win yesterday to give us an outside shot at the play offs. That's an even bigger mountain now sadly. However the main aim for the rest of the season is to keep playing this front foot football and getting better at it. Top half would be a good season. Schumacher is going to keep improving us, I'm really confident about that 🙏 The problem is this run we’ve been on has only seen us win 2 games in seven, against a Birmingham team in chaos and rock bottom Rotherham. I’m not digging Schumacher here as it’s obvious he has had a positive impact I’m just saying there is a lot of work to do as our usual frailties are still apparent. I’m not sure anyone can question that? The signing of Cundle is interesting, perhaps the first decision he’s made that I’m not sure of, perhaps he plans to alternate Junho and Cundle in his high octane system once he has his targets in. I think everyone can see Junho out wide isn’t ideal and we need more support for the forward line.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jan 21, 2024 12:11:00 GMT
Yeah. My feeling was we needed to win yesterday to give us an outside shot at the play offs. That's an even bigger mountain now sadly. However the main aim for the rest of the season is to keep playing this front foot football and getting better at it. Top half would be a good season. Schumacher is going to keep improving us, I'm really confident about that 🙏 The problem is this run we’ve been on has only seen us win 2 games in seven, against a Birmingham team in chaos and rock bottom Rotherham. I’m not digging Schumacher here as it’s obvious he has had a positive impact I’m just saying there is a lot of work to do as our usual frailties are still apparent. I’m not sure anyone can question that? The signing of Cundle is interesting, perhaps the first decision he’s made that I’m not sure of, perhaps he plans to alternate Junho and Cundle in his high octane system once he has his targets in. I think everyone can see Junho out wide isn’t ideal and we need more support for the forward line. I've seen a few posters make a valid point about the team looking a lot more solid and attacking but the problem remains in both boxes either end of the pitch. I think that's about right. For me Schumacher is definitely taking us in the right direction. But his 2 most pressing issues are a CF and a dominant CH.
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Post by fca47 on Jan 21, 2024 12:17:51 GMT
Until we sort out the goalscoring we won't be going anywhere. We beat Coventry but since then they have shot up the table, why? because they score goals
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 21, 2024 12:19:28 GMT
The only thing he did wrong yesterday was not giving Mmaee a 2yrd tap in which isn't bad at all.
Really should be playing down the middle though, seems wasted out wide.
Our midfield is so close to being sorted.
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Post by pmjh on Jan 21, 2024 12:40:44 GMT
You can't have two players for 2 positions. Most posters seem to want to see the back of Johnson and Laurent and until recently Baker. Even with Baker back in favour that would leave us with him and Bae. I actually thought Cundle played quite well, he does a lot of work and links the play. Bae at the moment looks a very good player in the making. However for all his impressive footwork, energy and darting runs he has no goals or assists to his name. His end product needs to improve.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 21, 2024 12:48:14 GMT
The only thing he did wrong yesterday was not giving Mmaee a 2yrd tap in which isn't bad at all. Really should be playing down the middle though, seems wasted out wide. Our midfield is so close to being sorted. If he can find his shooting boots, he’ll be a PL player in a year or two. His work rate and close ball control are phenomenal. Doesn’t mean much though if you’re not contributing to goals.
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Post by thornestein on Jan 21, 2024 12:51:02 GMT
Until we sort out the goalscoring we won't be going anywhere. We beat Coventry but since then they have shot up the table, why? because they score goals it was the spine of the team that was needed in the summer , ok the midfield is fine but we still need a dominant CB and a decent scorer up front as well as pacey wingers
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 21, 2024 12:53:25 GMT
Yeah. My feeling was we needed to win yesterday to give us an outside shot at the play offs. That's an even bigger mountain now sadly. However the main aim for the rest of the season is to keep playing this front foot football and getting better at it. Top half would be a good season. Schumacher is going to keep improving us, I'm really confident about that 🙏 The problem is this run we’ve been on has only seen us win 2 games in seven, against a Birmingham team in chaos and rock bottom Rotherham. I’m not digging Schumacher here as it’s obvious he has had a positive impact I’m just saying there is a lot of work to do as our usual frailties are still apparent. I’m not sure anyone can question that? The signing of Cundle is interesting, perhaps the first decision he’s made that I’m not sure of, perhaps he plans to alternate Junho and Cundle in his high octane system once he has his targets in. I think everyone can see Junho out wide isn’t ideal and we need more support for the forward line. Cundle and Bae were excellent in the first half but both Faded in the second half.The interplay between the two was excellent considering they haven't played together before.That can only get better.
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Post by proudstokie on Jan 21, 2024 12:57:53 GMT
The problem is this run we’ve been on has only seen us win 2 games in seven, against a Birmingham team in chaos and rock bottom Rotherham. I’m not digging Schumacher here as it’s obvious he has had a positive impact I’m just saying there is a lot of work to do as our usual frailties are still apparent. I’m not sure anyone can question that? The signing of Cundle is interesting, perhaps the first decision he’s made that I’m not sure of, perhaps he plans to alternate Junho and Cundle in his high octane system once he has his targets in. I think everyone can see Junho out wide isn’t ideal and we need more support for the forward line. Cundle and Bae were excellent in the first half but both Faded in the second half.The interplay between the two was excellent considering they haven't played together before.That can only get better. I don’t disagree and maybe as two 8’s not as Bae out wide, then there is a question over Baker but maybe due to the demands of the role, we need options in there to cover the 90 mins. We haven’t really seen Schumacher’s palms for forward and wide positions yet, so maybe Bae is filling in out wide?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 21, 2024 13:25:56 GMT
Same, and I appreciate it might feel a bit more “here we go again, typical Stoke” but unlike Neil, you know Schumacher will stick with this and we’ll certainly win more than we’ll lose. The only annoying thing for me is that this run we’ve been on, has seen us stay exactly where we were in terms of league position. The gap between the bottom 3 isn’t much to worry about, granted, but there is no way we are the 19th worst team in this league. I was hoping yesterday would get us up to 15th and within striking distance of the play offs but I think I’m going to have to stop thinking so positively after a few decent games because we just never seem to *quite* capitalise. Yeah. My feeling was we needed to win yesterday to give us an outside shot at the play offs. That's an even bigger mountain now sadly. However the main aim for the rest of the season is to keep playing this front foot football and getting better at it. Top half would be a good season. Schumacher is going to keep improving us, I'm really confident about that 🙏 We needed the 3 pts,yesterday,not because of the play offs,it isn't going to happen,but because of the games coming up,lose the next 2 (3 defeats on the trot) we could be dragged back into a fight,if the teams below pick up pts,whilst we are dropping pts.b
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jan 21, 2024 13:32:59 GMT
Yeah. My feeling was we needed to win yesterday to give us an outside shot at the play offs. That's an even bigger mountain now sadly. However the main aim for the rest of the season is to keep playing this front foot football and getting better at it. Top half would be a good season. Schumacher is going to keep improving us, I'm really confident about that 🙏 We needed the 3 pts,yesterday,not because of the play off,it isn't going to happen,but because of the games coming up,lose the next 2 (3 defeats on the trot) we could be dragged back into a fight,if the teams below pick up pts,whilst we are dropping pts. Both unlikely but I get your point. The disappointing thing for me will be a lower table finish. But I honestly think Schumacher will get us up that table soon enough. He makes positive changes and he makes them early. I am scratching my head however as to how Hoever didn't get hooked at half time. Couldn't work that out as he got twisted all ends up by dembele and his concentration was shocking. How he let that ball roll out at the start for a brum throw in was just awful. I'd have taken him off for that alone...
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 21, 2024 13:40:11 GMT
We needed the 3 pts,yesterday,not because of the play off,it isn't going to happen,but because of the games coming up,lose the next 2 (3 defeats on the trot) we could be dragged back into a fight,if the teams below pick up pts,whilst we are dropping pts. Both unlikely but I get your point. The disappointing thing for me will be a lower table finish. But I honestly think Schumacher will get us up that table soon enough. He makes positive changes and he makes them early. I am scratching my head however as to how Hoever didn't get hooked at half time. Couldn't work that out as he got twisted all ends up by dembele and his concentration was shocking. How he let that ball roll out at the start for a brum throw in was just awful. I'd have taken him off for that alone... Unless he can find a striker in this window,I can't see us moving too far up the table.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jan 21, 2024 13:42:58 GMT
Both unlikely but I get your point. The disappointing thing for me will be a lower table finish. But I honestly think Schumacher will get us up that table soon enough. He makes positive changes and he makes them early. I am scratching my head however as to how Hoever didn't get hooked at half time. Couldn't work that out as he got twisted all ends up by dembele and his concentration was shocking. How he let that ball roll out at the start for a brum throw in was just awful. I'd have taken him off for that alone... Unless he can find a striker in this window,I can't see us moving too far up the table. You could be right. However it'll be interesting to see how Mmaee and Campbell work as a pair if Schumacher gives them a bit of a run of games. It could be an answer....
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 21, 2024 13:56:08 GMT
Cundle and Bae were excellent in the first half but both Faded in the second half.The interplay between the two was excellent considering they haven't played together before.That can only get better. I don’t disagree and maybe as two 8’s not as Bae out wide, then there is a question over Baker but maybe due to the demands of the role, we need options in there to cover the 90 mins. We haven’t really seen Schumacher’s palms for forward and wide positions yet, so maybe Bae is filling in out wide? In my view cuddle and Bae are too lightweight to play as the two eights thats the issue its one or the other yesterday we missed Laurent in there who has a bit more presence when focused as he was in his last game .
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Post by nsd on Jan 21, 2024 16:21:35 GMT
You can't have two players for 2 positions. Most posters seem to want to see the back of Johnson and Laurent and until recently Baker. Even with Baker back in favour that would leave us with him and Bae. I actually thought Cundle played quite well, he does a lot of work and links the play. Bae at the moment looks a very good player in the making. However for all his impressive footwork, energy and darting runs he has no goals or assists to his name. His end product needs to improve. he has two assists, goals will come.
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Post by tejstokie on Jan 21, 2024 16:26:22 GMT
My favourite current player. Played out of his preferred and best position and still nearly is motm in quality each week. Imagine if we had a winger to move him inside.
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 21, 2024 19:02:45 GMT
Cundle and Bae were excellent in the first half but both Faded in the second half.The interplay between the two was excellent considering they haven't played together before.That can only get better. I don’t disagree and maybe as two 8’s not as Bae out wide, then there is a question over Baker but maybe due to the demands of the role, we need options in there to cover the 90 mins. We haven’t really seen Schumacher’s palms for forward and wide positions yet, so maybe Bae is filling in out wide? He made one change from the side that beat Rotherham, replacing Haskbanovic with Bae.Hask contributed bugger all at Rotherham and this was the correct decision imo. Would have been unfair to leave anyone else out tbh.Hoover maybe?
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Post by pmjh on Jan 21, 2024 19:23:55 GMT
You can't have two players for 2 positions. Most posters seem to want to see the back of Johnson and Laurent and until recently Baker. Even with Baker back in favour that would leave us with him and Bae. I actually thought Cundle played quite well, he does a lot of work and links the play. Bae at the moment looks a very good player in the making. However for all his impressive footwork, energy and darting runs he has no goals or assists to his name. His end product needs to improve. he has two assists, goals will come. I'm sure you're right.But he has hasn't done it yet and some people seem to be writing Cundle off after two games. My point is really he hasn't done enough to be guaranteed a place and genuine competition is no bad thing.
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Post by Northy on Jan 22, 2024 9:59:04 GMT
The only thing he did wrong yesterday was not giving Mmaee a 2yrd tap in which isn't bad at all. Really should be playing down the middle though, seems wasted out wide. Our midfield is so close to being sorted. Agree, should have just put it onto Mmaee who had a simple tap in, hopefully that sort of decision making will come as he matures into this season.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 22, 2024 10:17:58 GMT
The only thing he did wrong yesterday was not giving Mmaee a 2yrd tap in which isn't bad at all. Really should be playing down the middle though, seems wasted out wide. Our midfield is so close to being sorted. Agree, should have just put it onto Mmaee who had a simple tap in, hopefully that sort of decision making will come as he matures into this season. Comes over as a bit naive with some of his decision making, that would be my only criticism of him atm.
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Post by idle on Jan 22, 2024 12:22:23 GMT
Agree, should have just put it onto Mmaee who had a simple tap in, hopefully that sort of decision making will come as he matures into this season. Comes over as a bit naive with some of his decision making, that would be my only criticism of him atm. He's 18 or 19 isn't he? And grew up a less than football crazy environment compared to England. Schuey said they show him videos of movement to make him better, he'll improve
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 9, 2024 19:19:50 GMT
Nice little Junho love-in to finish the forum from Coates and Schumacher.
Hopefully he starts every game from now on!
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Feb 9, 2024 19:35:36 GMT
Nice little Junho love-in to finish the forum from Coates and Schumacher. Hopefully he starts every game from now on! He'll need drop cundle won't he?.........ermmmm
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 9, 2024 19:39:20 GMT
Nice little Junho love-in to finish the forum from Coates and Schumacher. Hopefully he starts every game from now on! He'll need drop cundle won't he?.........ermmmm Cundle was a waste of a transfer for me. Just another body in an already congested area of the pitch
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Post by clarkeda on Feb 9, 2024 20:05:11 GMT
He'll need drop cundle won't he?.........ermmmm Cundle was a waste of a transfer for me. Just another body in an already congested area of the pitch And from the fans forum sounds like Cundle stopped us getting a LB on loan.
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 9, 2024 20:11:08 GMT
Cundle was a waste of a transfer for me. Just another body in an already congested area of the pitch And from the fans forum sounds like Cundle stopped us getting a LB on loan. Scandalous if true.
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Post by generationex on Feb 9, 2024 20:20:55 GMT
I hope SS isn’t going to die on Cundle hill.
I hope he has the courage to let it go as things have deteriorated since he arrived. Doesn’t mean Cundle is a bad player necessarily but that’s not the point.
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Post by clarkeda on Feb 9, 2024 20:21:19 GMT
And from the fans forum sounds like Cundle stopped us getting a LB on loan. Scandalous if true. I’m just reading between the lines, how Ricky positioned ‘the window’ and how when asked about playing people out of position, Schumacher was reluctant to say that Thompson is being played out of position.
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