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Post by wakeypotter on Dec 27, 2023 9:21:21 GMT
The defence was shit before and it’s been shit after. The lauding of Wilmot has to stop. He’s absolutely dogshit. But better than McNally and Rose curiously Let see what SS thinks - It's certain that Wilmot will be straight back in the team when fit And then straight back out again. His passing is abysmal
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Post by lordb on Dec 27, 2023 9:21:56 GMT
But better than McNally and Rose curiously In what way, makes just as many mistakes as the other two, his passing is poor and he gets out muscled far too often, we're better off without, we need another in Jan and if we do he shouldn't get anywhere near. As his stats show he wins more headers, more interceptions his forward passing is superior, he's a good Championship CB He's not Baresi reincarnated he's just pretty good (at this level) McNally is OK but we clearly need a better CB than any of them
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2023 9:23:44 GMT
In what way, makes just as many mistakes as the other two, his passing is poor and he gets out muscled far too often, we're better off without, we need another in Jan and if we do he shouldn't get anywhere near. As his stats show he wins more headers, more interceptions his forward passing is superior, he's a good Championship CB He's not Baresi reincarnated he's just pretty good (at this level) McNally is OK but we clearly need a better CB than any of them And yet the team looks worse when he plays. Stats mean fuck all when you’re a liability like he is. His passing is laughable.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 27, 2023 9:28:17 GMT
The issues with our defenders get magnified because we have such a poor goal scoring record. We are asking average championship defenders and goalkeepers to have perfect games to get results and it’s unrealistic.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2023 9:29:33 GMT
The issues with our defenders get magnified because we have such a poor goal scoring record. We are asking average championship defenders and goalkeepers to have perfect games to get results and it’s unrealistic. The mistakes Rose makes aren’t asking someone to be perfect. 5 year olds shouldn’t be making them as often as he does.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 27, 2023 9:31:25 GMT
The issues with our defenders get magnified because we have such a poor goal scoring record. We are asking average championship defenders and goalkeepers to have perfect games to get results and it’s unrealistic. The mistakes Rose makes aren’t asking someone to be perfect. 5 year olds shouldn’t be making them as often as he does. He’s a bog standard championship defender. Roughly on a par with Wilmot.
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Post by wilcopotter on Dec 27, 2023 9:34:41 GMT
Second best behind Wilmot who we have really missed Rose is up and down, too many downs Clark is clearly finushed We really need a CB Harsh on Clark. He had no preseason, is older and was rushed in because of our own lack of preparedness. I don’t expect him to be a world beater but I do think he’ll contribute better than he has. Villa ST fan mate told me he was pretty average few years back, haven’t seen anything for me to think any different. We bought him in a mad panic (probably at high expense))due to poor preparation for this season and if he wasn’t capable he shouldn’t have been signed . He was also obviously happy to sign to top up the pension fund. We’ve reaped what we’ve sown with him, he’ll be gone in May and quickly forgotten. Will be surprised if Schumacher uses him tbh, he’s nowhere near mobile enough for his style of play.
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Post by wilcopotter on Dec 27, 2023 9:42:49 GMT
Absolute horseshit - to be expected however The defence was shit before and it’s been shit after. The lauding of Wilmot has to stop. He’s absolutely dogshit. Think Schumacher will like him, he’s high energy and looks like he gives a fcuk, which is a good start in comparison to some. Also, yes he’s a bit green at times, but he’s really not dogshit. Plus, he’s comparable with McNally and if you think Rose is better than Wilmot, then checkout the WBA goal as one of a few examples of why to quote you “ he really isn’t “.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2023 9:43:50 GMT
The defence was shit before and it’s been shit after. The lauding of Wilmot has to stop. He’s absolutely dogshit. Think Schumacher will like him, he’s high energy and looks like he gives a fcuk, which is a good start in comparison to some. Also, yes he’s a bit green at times, but he’s really not dogshit. Plus, he’s comparable with McNally and if you think Rose is better than Wilmot, then checkout the WBA goal as one of a few examples of why to quote you “ he really isn’t “. I’ve said the opposite re Rose. But he makes the team better, Wilmot makes the team worse.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 27, 2023 9:45:27 GMT
I think he's okay and Championship is probably his level but we really do need 2 dependable cbs asap. You know there's a clanger in one of these in practically every match.
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Post by wilcopotter on Dec 27, 2023 9:52:26 GMT
Think Schumacher will like him, he’s high energy and looks like he gives a fcuk, which is a good start in comparison to some. Also, yes he’s a bit green at times, but he’s really not dogshit. Plus, he’s comparable with McNally and if you think Rose is better than Wilmot, then checkout the WBA goal as one of a few examples of why to quote you “ he really isn’t “. I’ve said the opposite re Rose. But he makes the team better, Wilmot makes the team worse. Anyway, not like you to be posting after we’ve won. Oh, just realised you’re posting negativity as usual. Relax, chill, just enjoy the win. You never know, you might get to enjoy it👍
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2023 9:53:16 GMT
I’ve said the opposite re Rose. But he makes the team better, Wilmot makes the team worse. Anyway, not like you to be posting after we’ve won. Oh, just realised you’re posting negativity as usual. Relax, chill, just enjoy the win. You never know, you might get to enjoy it👍 I always post you moron. What are you on about 🤣🤣
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Post by wilcopotter on Dec 27, 2023 9:56:22 GMT
Anyway, not like you to be posting after we’ve won. Oh, just realised you’re posting negativity as usual. Relax, chill, just enjoy the win. You never know, you might get to enjoy it👍 I always post you moron. What are you on about 🤣🤣 I know, sadly.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2023 9:57:55 GMT
I always post you moron. What are you on about 🤣🤣 I know, sadly. Yeah sadly because 6 months you all end up agreeing and then act like it never happened. It’s fun isn’t it.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 27, 2023 9:58:21 GMT
I really thought he was doing well, but against Millwall he almost cost us the game and yesterday he had several involvements where he almost cost us again. He needs to get rid of these lapses of concentration before I will be totally convinced about him. He's not allowed to have a mistake here or there? If you hold forwards to the same standard even Messi would be wank! None of those yesterday were really threatening, even if the Millwall one was. I'm not convinced he and Wilmot will be good as a pairing, but I'm happy to be proven wrong. No, a good defender doesn't make mistakes here and there! That's the difference between a good and a bad defender. Of course everybody makes mistakes, but at the moment McNally's number of mistakes are too big. He needs to cut down on the amount if he is to be considered a good defender in my opinion.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 27, 2023 10:00:46 GMT
I think he's okay and Championship is probably his level but we really do need 2 dependable cbs asap. You know there's a clanger in one of these in practically every match. ....or two or three and in there lies the problem!
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 27, 2023 10:13:10 GMT
McNally has had some good games for sure..... But he blows hot and cold to frequently to ever be considered "Class"!!!
He's got room to improve and mature, but it's difficult yet to see him as being anything other than a decent championship centre back!!!
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Post by idle on Dec 27, 2023 10:25:53 GMT
He's not allowed to have a mistake here or there? If you hold forwards to the same standard even Messi would be wank! None of those yesterday were really threatening, even if the Millwall one was. I'm not convinced he and Wilmot will be good as a pairing, but I'm happy to be proven wrong. No, a good defender doesn't make mistakes here and there! That's the difference between a good and a bad defender. Of course everybody makes mistakes, but at the moment McNally's number of mistakes are too big. He needs to cut down on the amount if he is to be considered a good defender in my opinion. No, defender aren't shit because the forwards suck. That's the difference between last night and SheffWed. As said above, you're expecting championship defenders not to make a single mistake all game. That's unrealistic. It's the same idiocy that makes people thinks refs are awful when they make a single mistake. All the while the forwards are missing sitters or not being able to string two passes together. All players make mistakes, and defenders fewer than the rest. They only stand out because you get your heart in your throat when they do. McNally is a good championship defender. Not a world star, but neither is anyone else on this team (or in this division). Most of his "mistakes" are actually covering for Hoever and Rose.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 27, 2023 11:34:02 GMT
I really like him. The only CB worth keeping. Second best behind Wilmot who we have really missed Rose is up and down, too many downs Clark is clearly finushed We really need a CB Rose has done ok but the odd mistake including that goal recently at West Brom but had a good game otherwise. Any news on Wilmot?
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Post by iancransonsknees on Dec 27, 2023 13:34:46 GMT
On a par with Morgan Fox. Only just though.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 27, 2023 14:23:24 GMT
No, a good defender doesn't make mistakes here and there! That's the difference between a good and a bad defender. Of course everybody makes mistakes, but at the moment McNally's number of mistakes are too big. He needs to cut down on the amount if he is to be considered a good defender in my opinion. No, defender aren't shit because the forwards suck. That's the difference between last night and SheffWed. As said above, you're expecting championship defenders not to make a single mistake all game. That's unrealistic. It's the same idiocy that makes people thinks refs are awful when they make a single mistake. All the while the forwards are missing sitters or not being able to string two passes together. All players make mistakes, and defenders fewer than the rest. They only stand out because you get your heart in your throat when they do. McNally is a good championship defender. Not a world star, but neither is anyone else on this team (or in this division). Most of his "mistakes" are actually covering for Hoever and Rose. I disagree to that because against Millwall it was just about his own decision, but he was hesitant and lost the ball. The same happened on a couple of occasions yesterday too, so I think it's due to his concentration and not due to other players every time.
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Post by tqstokie on Dec 27, 2023 14:28:43 GMT
No nonsense defending is the answer just get rid of the ball. Gooch did that very well yesterday. Whether it goes for a corner, a throw in or just up the pitch gives the defence time to reset.
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Post by LphPotter on Dec 27, 2023 14:31:41 GMT
Second best behind Wilmot who we have really missed Rose is up and down, too many downs Clark is clearly finushed We really need a CB We haven’t missed him in the slightest. The defence has looked better and got better results and McNally and Rose actually look like a pair. Wilmot is a headless chicken that leaves gaps and has never been capable of forming partnerships in a Stoke shirt. You don’t honestly believe Michael Rose is a better defender than Wilmot. If you do you cannot be taken seriously. Rose made more mistakes in his first 10 games than Wilmot has since he’s been here
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 27, 2023 14:40:08 GMT
I really thought he was doing well, but against Millwall he almost cost us the game and yesterday he had several involvements where he almost cost us again. He needs to get rid of these lapses of concentration before I will be totally convinced about him. He's not allowed to have a mistake here or there? If you hold forwards to the same standard even Messi would be wank! None of those yesterday were really threatening, even if the Millwall one was. I'm not convinced he and Wilmot will be good as a pairing, but I'm happy to be proven wrong. Not ones that could lead to a goal in a division where matches are often decided by one goal. He gave Millwall a chance to win on Saturday and last night at one point, instead of doing the simple thing and passing back to Bonham who he was facing, he tried to pass upfield over his shoulder and hit it straight at a Birmingham player.
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 27, 2023 14:42:33 GMT
I like him. I think he’s still learning his trade a little bit at this level, but he’s improving & if he can cut out the lapses in concentration he’ll be a really good championship centre half. Can’t be easy playing alongside the risk taking Rose, although he too is showing signs of improvement. We aren’t getting much better without spending money. Look at Sanderson for them last night. Payed decent money for him & our two looked much more solid. Yes I was amazed at how poor Sanderson was considering he was supposed to be one of the catches of the summer.
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 27, 2023 14:43:47 GMT
The best of a bad bunch at centre half. Not much else to be said for him really. I don't think Harry is a Schumacher type of player.
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Post by gawa on Dec 27, 2023 14:52:22 GMT
We haven’t missed him in the slightest. The defence has looked better and got better results and McNally and Rose actually look like a pair. Wilmot is a headless chicken that leaves gaps and has never been capable of forming partnerships in a Stoke shirt. Absolute horseshit - to be expected however 1 win in 10 is it and the defence has "got better results" lol
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Post by boweryboy on Dec 27, 2023 15:11:43 GMT
Unfortunately all three have got a mistake in them on a regular basis, heart in mouth every time a cross comes in (or is that just me) any one of them needs an experienced defender to play along side,and I don't mean Clarke, I've got every faith in the manager to sort it, because any two from those three at the moment aren't good enough.
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Post by HarryTheHat on Dec 27, 2023 15:23:14 GMT
Absolute horseshit - to be expected however 1 win in 10 is it and the defence has "got better results" lol I know, the shit some people come out with to justify an irrational agenda is incredible isn't it? 🤣
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Post by nigerianstokie on Dec 27, 2023 15:50:03 GMT
The best of a bad bunch at centre half. Not much else to be said for him really. I don't think Harry is a Schumacher type of player. Fine by me. As good as he was I’d rather we looked elsewhere.
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