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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 24, 2023 9:40:35 GMT
I'm really hoping that Schumacher learnt a few things yesterday, and there are a lot of negatives with certain players that he'll need to find out quickly. (His early subs yesterday gave me hope that he's already clocked DJ and Leris as two players we shouldn't be starting with.)
Believe it or not though, we do have some positive aspects to the team that we can build on:
- Wouter Burger is starting to look the part in centre midfield. He's a bit ungainly at times (my daughter likened him to one of those inflatable men you see flapping around outside car garages ???) and he can't head a ball to save his life, but I'm actually paying him a compliment in saying that he's a poor man's Steven N'Zonzi. He transitions the ball well, rarely loses it, and uses his frame well to shield the ball and retain possession. He was our most expensive buy and you can tell.
- There are fairly strong options to play alongside him. Ben Pearson hasn't had his best season so far, but he's a top-half Championship player and does a lot of unseen dirty work (no pun intended) in midfield. I'm convinced we'll see a different Josh Laurent now that Neil has gone. If we're playing away and want to protect the defence a bit more, then those 3 are a very good midfield at this level.
-Bae Junho is going to be some player once he adds some end product to his game. He livens us up every time he comes on, and in home games I'd start him as a number 10 in front of Burger and Pearson/Laurent.
Whichever combination we pick, that midfield triangle is strong. It's a starting point. (There's also the prospect of Baker potentially rediscovering his old form under a new manager.) We need the rest of the spine to improve now- a keeper, at least 1 good centre back and a striker.
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Post by skip on Dec 24, 2023 9:43:13 GMT
Y'day, Nipper 2 described Burger as Champo N'zonzi. Again, a compliment.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 24, 2023 9:56:50 GMT
Midfield definitely looks like a potential bright spot - but the rest of the team looks worrying.
It'd help if we started playing our better players. Bae and Tchamadeu have got to start, while Campbell seems the only hope of internally adding a goal threat in the short-term.
Hopefully Wilmot will be back some time over Christmas/New Year.
New keeper just has to arrive in the first week of Jan, as well as a left-back as an absolute priority.
Gooch is very hard not to like and is genuinely a good squad man - but he's not really the best option in any position as a starter, due to his lack of goals and a left foot.
Looks like at least a fortnight until we see Campbell or Stevens.
Have you got any updates on Tyrese Campbell or Enda Stevens?
Yeah, they won’t be available for upcoming fixtures. Tyrese is probably two weeks away. Enda will be back in training at the back end of next week, just taking a bit of time.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 24, 2023 10:01:08 GMT
Midfield definitely looks like a potential bright spot - but the rest of the team looks worrying. It'd help if we started playing our better players. Bae and Tchamadeu have got to start, while Campbell seems the only hope of internally adding a goal threat in the short-term. Hopefully Wilmot will be back some time over Christmas/New Year. New keeper just has to arrive in the first week of Jan, as well as a left-back as an absolute priority. Gooch is very hard not to like and is genuinely a good squad man - but he's not really the best option in any position as a starter, due to his lack of goals and a left foot. Looks like at least a fortnight until we see Campbell or Stevens. Have you got any updates on Tyrese Campbell or Enda Stevens?
Yeah, they won’t be available for upcoming fixtures. Tyrese is probably two weeks away. Enda will be back in training at the back end of next week, just taking a bit of time. It would help if we started with more than 2 attackers though. It’s really not good enough and happened again yesterday. Wilmot being back will change nothing either. He’s garbage and Rose and McNally are sadly the best partnership we have. McNally is the only centre half worth keeping and we don’t own the fucker. If anyone wants to beat the transfer team with a stick it should be the defence and not the attackers imo. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 24, 2023 10:07:38 GMT
Midfield definitely looks like a potential bright spot - but the rest of the team looks worrying. It'd help if we started playing our better players. Bae and Tchamadeu have got to start, while Campbell seems the only hope of internally adding a goal threat in the short-term. Hopefully Wilmot will be back some time over Christmas/New Year. New keeper just has to arrive in the first week of Jan, as well as a left-back as an absolute priority. Gooch is very hard not to like and is genuinely a good squad man - but he's not really the best option in any position as a starter, due to his lack of goals and a left foot. Looks like at least a fortnight until we see Campbell or Stevens. Have you got any updates on Tyrese Campbell or Enda Stevens?
Yeah, they won’t be available for upcoming fixtures. Tyrese is probably two weeks away. Enda will be back in training at the back end of next week, just taking a bit of time. It would help if we started with more than 2 attackers though. It’s really not good enough and happened again yesterday. Wilmot being back will change nothing either. He’s garbage and Rose and McNally are sadly the best partnership we have. McNally is the only centre half worth keeping and we don’t own the fucker. If anyone wants to beat the transfer team with a stick it should be the defence and not the attackers imo. Yeah, defence is an absolute car crash. I know you won't have it - but I'd take Wilmot over Rose any day (and the fact Ciaran Clark is worse than the pair of them paints a very nasty picture) We can just be thankful we didn't spend £750k on Rose as we wanted to. I think we can absolve Jared of any blame on that one. Left-back situation was also dereliction of duty. |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 24, 2023 10:10:19 GMT
Only the bottom 3 have scored more goals than us.
21 from 23 now.
Whatever he does, he has to find a way to getting us more potent up top.
Bae for Johnson would be a start….
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 24, 2023 10:10:55 GMT
I think he picked yesterdays line up on the basis of the West Brom gave and advice from the coaching staff who remain. Whilst there were some positives, it was massively disappointing that so many just didn’t turn up. Leris and Vidigal have played their way out of contention when we are already struggling for attacking options. Hoever was absolutely wazz again and Johnson just doesn’t seem to have a “Go” button.
So, that’s 4 of the more attacking positions where he needs a real think about what to do. Junior into RB is obvious but he was better than Leris at RW so I can see him playing there. The other three positions are ones we have fiddled with all season with no great results.
If he wants to play his way here, I think he’ll have looked at that and thinks he needs at least another 4 or 5 in this January window. The fact that we couldn’t beat an awful Millwall also shows we really need a killer instinct and although I like Mmaee, he’s not that type of player.
He’s got some work to do.
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 24, 2023 10:24:25 GMT
I wonder what the starting XI will look like come February 1st?. A couple of wins and quickly wouldn't go amiss, the longer we or the manager go without a win won't do anybody any favours.
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Post by Gods on Dec 24, 2023 10:26:32 GMT
Only the bottom 3 have scored more goals than us. 21 from 23 now. Whatever he does, he has to find a way to getting us more potent up top. Bae for Johnson would be a start…. Exactly. In respect of the goalkeeping position I appreciate Jack Bonham is not amazing but any hint of an error from him and it costs us points since we so rarely score a goal of our own. For the record we have scored 5 goals in the last 10 matches. That's 1 every 3 hours and 20 minutes. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 24, 2023 10:29:05 GMT
It would help if we started with more than 2 attackers though. It’s really not good enough and happened again yesterday. Wilmot being back will change nothing either. He’s garbage and Rose and McNally are sadly the best partnership we have. McNally is the only centre half worth keeping and we don’t own the fucker. If anyone wants to beat the transfer team with a stick it should be the defence and not the attackers imo. Yeah, defence is an absolute car crash. I know you won't have it - but I'd take Wilmot over Rose any day (and the fact Ciaran Clark is worse than the pair of them paints a very nasty picture) We can just be thankful we didn't spend £750k on Rose as we wanted to. I think we can absolve Jared of any blame on that one. Left-back situation was also dereliction of duty. We looked better with the pairing of Rose and McNally. Wilmot scares everyone. But Rose is gash. We need so much better than the pair of them. |
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Post by Fred Merger on Dec 24, 2023 10:33:49 GMT
I'm really hoping that Schumacher learnt a few things yesterday, and there are a lot of negatives with certain players that he'll need to find out quickly. (His early subs yesterday gave me hope that he's already clocked DJ and Leris as two players we shouldn't be starting with.) Believe it or not though, we do have some positive aspects to the team that we can build on: - Wouter Burger is starting to look the part in centre midfield. He's a bit ungainly at times (my daughter likened him to one of those inflatable men you see flapping around outside car garages ???) and he can't head a ball to save his life, but I'm actually paying him a compliment in saying that he's a poor man's Steven N'Zonzi. He transitions the ball well, rarely loses it, and uses his frame well to shield the ball and retain possession. He was our most expensive buy and you can tell. - There are fairly strong options to play alongside him. Ben Pearson hasn't had his best season so far, but he's a top-half Championship player and does a lot of unseen dirty work (no pun intended) in midfield. I'm convinced we'll see a different Josh Laurent now that Neil has gone. If we're playing away and want to protect the defence a bit more, then those 3 are a very good midfield at this level. -Bae Junho is going to be some player once he adds some end product to his game. He livens us up every time he comes on, and in home games I'd start him as a number 10 in front of Burger and Pearson/Laurent. Whichever combination we pick, that midfield triangle is strong. It's a starting point. (There's also the prospect of Baker potentially rediscovering his old form under a new manager.) We need the rest of the spine to improve now- a keeper, at least 1 good centre back and a striker. Totally agree, strong additions at Goalkeeper, CB and CF could make a real difference to this side. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 24, 2023 10:36:03 GMT
Yeah, defence is an absolute car crash. I know you won't have it - but I'd take Wilmot over Rose any day (and the fact Ciaran Clark is worse than the pair of them paints a very nasty picture) We can just be thankful we didn't spend £750k on Rose as we wanted to. I think we can absolve Jared of any blame on that one. Left-back situation was also dereliction of duty. We looked better with the pairing of Rose and McNally. Wilmot scares everyone. But Rose is gash. We need so much better than the pair of them. I have no doubt that Wilmot will be Shumacher's favourite centre half purely because he always looks to transition the ball forward quickly. . He has a mistake in him but so do Rose and Mcnally (if it hadn't been your favourite but Wilmot last minute yesterday we would have heard plenty about it from you). |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 24, 2023 10:36:23 GMT
We need stickle bricks nevermind building blocks.
Without a solid spine the team will always be susceptible from back to front.
Burger has great potential along with Bae, Gooch and Junior, we just need to find a defensive pairing, a keeper and and striker or 2.
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Post by UNKLE on Dec 24, 2023 10:36:39 GMT
Baby steps yesterday.
The way we continually switch off post 85mins is a worry. Is it physical or mental fatigue? Better in game management and use of subs required but fundamentall errors need to be eradicated.
Losing at the death again would have been terrible for squad and Schuey confidence. I just hope he gets a good insight into the squad very quickly, I do worry about comments alluding to the squad being fine.
Compare the result to Sunderland yesterday, natives restless, chanting Mowbray’s name. Beale looking and sounding like a competition winner. Schuey relaxed and smiling….I’ll give him that if we see continual improvement.
On to Boxing Day……big game!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2023 10:46:34 GMT
I think midfield is the only part of the team that can be left as it is in this window.
We need a keeper, left back and mobile targetman as absolute priorities. A commanding CB would also be nice but I think the other three positions I mentioned are more important at the moment.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 24, 2023 11:07:15 GMT
I'm really hoping that Schumacher learnt a few things yesterday, and there are a lot of negatives with certain players that he'll need to find out quickly. (His early subs yesterday gave me hope that he's already clocked DJ and Leris as two players we shouldn't be starting with.) Believe it or not though, we do have some positive aspects to the team that we can build on: - Wouter Burger is starting to look the part in centre midfield. He's a bit ungainly at times (my daughter likened him to one of those inflatable men you see flapping around outside car garages ???) and he can't head a ball to save his life, but I'm actually paying him a compliment in saying that he's a poor man's Steven N'Zonzi. He transitions the ball well, rarely loses it, and uses his frame well to shield the ball and retain possession. He was our most expensive buy and you can tell. - There are fairly strong options to play alongside him. Ben Pearson hasn't had his best season so far, but he's a top-half Championship player and does a lot of unseen dirty work (no pun intended) in midfield. I'm convinced we'll see a different Josh Laurent now that Neil has gone. If we're playing away and want to protect the defence a bit more, then those 3 are a very good midfield at this level. -Bae Junho is going to be some player once he adds some end product to his game. He livens us up every time he comes on, and in home games I'd start him as a number 10 in front of Burger and Pearson/Laurent. Whichever combination we pick, that midfield triangle is strong. It's a starting point. (There's also the prospect of Baker potentially rediscovering his old form under a new manager.) We need the rest of the spine to improve now- a keeper, at least 1 good centre back and a striker. Absolutely spot on in every observation. The big question is whether we can afford to play Burger, Pearson and Laurent together and expect to get goals as I think we’re going to need an attacking CM in a 3. If we’re going with 433 GK - new RB - Junior CB - Mcnally CB - new LB - new CM - Burger CM - Laurent or Pearson AM - Bae WF - Campbell / New CF - New WF - Vidigal / New I really don’t want to give up on Vidigal yet (or Mmaee) as I think they’re just going to struggle early doors with what is a big change. |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Dec 24, 2023 11:14:46 GMT
The big revelation from yesterday was the performance of Burger in a solo holding midfielder role. I thought that he looked fantastic, covered the ground well, and provided some good quality when in possession. I would argue that if we are going to play with just one holding midfielder then it should be Burger rather than Pearson.
I think that the early substitutions of Johnson and Leris probably tell us a lot about what SS was thinking. Jun-Ho probably deserves a run of games in his more favoured central role (he certainly offers more than Johnson). Leris is definitely not a creative winger - the fact that a right back replaced him and looked more dangerous tells its own story.
SS is going to learn very quickly what this group of players are not capable of and then realise that he needs 5/6 new faces in January. 😅
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Post by ceejays on Dec 24, 2023 11:21:56 GMT
SS obviously likes Burger and I think he will be captain in due course. Wilmot will improve his desire to get up the pitch faster . He’s our best defender by a mile . Junior is a must as is Bae . Bonham once again proved his worth. Leris dire DJ missing . Mmaee as usual fell over when he had the chance . Stoke nil is becoming a very big concern
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Post by march4 on Dec 24, 2023 11:35:40 GMT
I thought Burger was very good yesterday. He has time on the ball and plays with his head up. Once he has a little more strength and stamina, he is going to be a valuable asset.
I thought Gooch did well again yesterday. I’m pleasantly surprised by his recent performances.
McNally was doing ok until the final minute when he nearly gave the game away.
And Laurent looked the player I thought we had signed 18 months ago - a hard working, physical midfielder.
Not a lot to say about the rest. Some really poor signings this summer.
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Post by ian57 on Dec 24, 2023 11:38:49 GMT
As someone posted on here yesterday,schuey will have learned far more about his players than he would have had we tonked them 4-0. I’m sure that he will realise we need strengthening in certain areas as I’m sure that the bloke is no mug.
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Post by stokiejoe on Dec 24, 2023 11:45:34 GMT
We need a striker, the young lad deserves to be given a chance as do more of the Academy otherwise what's the point. Campbell also needs to decide whether he is a winger or a striker. Wesley needs to go as we need someone who can receive the ball and hold it, he's a big lad who doesn't use his size to his advantage
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 24, 2023 12:16:54 GMT
Sure this has been mentioned before, but the non-Rotherham home league goals paint a depressing picture
19 August
Fantastic Vidigal finish v Watford
24 Sep
Vidigal consolation goal at 0-3 down v Hull
21 Oct
Mmaee v Sunderland. Nice finish
McNally header from corner
25 Oct
Own Goal v Leeds
12 Dec
Penalty v Swansea
So basically 3 goals from open play (and 2 from set-pieces if we're including Wes v Leeds) in the 11 games since the false dawn of Rotherham
And the last non-pen a Stoke player scored in a home game was on October 21st
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 24, 2023 12:19:08 GMT
Sure this has been mentioned before, but the non-Rotherham home league goals paint a depressing picture 19 August Fantastic Vidigal finish v Watford 24 Sep Vidigal consolation goal at 0-3 down v Hull 21 Oct Mmaee v Sunderland. Nice finish McNally header from corner 25 Oct Own Goal v Leeds 12 Dec Penalty v Swansea So basically 3 goals from open play (and 2 from set-pieces if we're including Wes v Leeds) in the 11 games since the false dawn of Rotherham And the last non-pen a Stoke player scored in a home game was on October 21st Bloody hell that's appalling. No wonder we're where we are in the league. |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 24, 2023 12:23:45 GMT
Sure this has been mentioned before, but the non-Rotherham home league goals paint a depressing picture 19 August Fantastic Vidigal finish v Watford 24 Sep Vidigal consolation goal at 0-3 down v Hull 21 Oct Mmaee v Sunderland. Nice finish McNally header from corner 25 Oct Own Goal v Leeds 12 Dec Penalty v Swansea So basically 3 goals from open play (and 2 from set-pieces if we're including Wes v Leeds) in the 11 games since the false dawn of Rotherham And the last non-pen a Stoke player scored in a home game was on October 21st Shit the bed. That’s so appalling it’s actually funny. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 24, 2023 12:44:27 GMT
Think these are the contract situations. At least we can say goodbye to Gayle in the summer
In terms of building blocks, some but not enough sure things.
GK
Fielding, Blondy 2024
Bonham 2025
Simkin 2026
RB
Hoever 2024
Gooch 2025
Tchamadeu 2027
LB
Stevens 2024
CB
McNally, Clark 2024
Rose 2025
Wilmot 2026
MID
Thompson 2024
Laurent, Baker, Johnson 2025
Sidibe 2026
Pearson, Burger, Bae 2027
ATT
Campbell, Gayle, Wesley, Haksabanovic 2024
Tezgel, Lowe(?) 2025
Mmaee, Vidigal, Leris 2026
Jojic 2027
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Post by leicspotter on Dec 24, 2023 12:48:27 GMT
We've actually got more points than some of our performances have deserved, notably Cardiff and Coventry where we could/should have been beaten by 2 or 3. Let's not kid ourselves, Schumacher has a very BIG job on his hands.
As others have said, he will have learnt a lot yesterday...let's see what he can do with that knowledge, and this, rather poor, squad of players, over the Christmas period. Surely then he will get a chance to bring some players in?
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Post by chamberlain on Dec 24, 2023 12:52:42 GMT
We need a striker, the young lad deserves to be given a chance as do more of the Academy otherwise what's the point. CAMPBELL also needs to decide whether he is a winger or a striker. Wesley needs to go as we need someone who can receive the ball and hold it, he's a big lad who doesn't use his size to his advantage We've got to get sicknote on the pitch before he can decide what he is. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 24, 2023 12:56:49 GMT
Sure this has been mentioned before, but the non-Rotherham home league goals paint a depressing picture 19 August Fantastic Vidigal finish v Watford 24 Sep Vidigal consolation goal at 0-3 down v Hull 21 Oct Mmaee v Sunderland. Nice finish McNally header from corner 25 Oct Own Goal v Leeds 12 Dec Penalty v Swansea So basically 3 goals from open play (and 2 from set-pieces if we're including Wes v Leeds) in the 11 games since the false dawn of Rotherham And the last non-pen a Stoke player scored in a home game was on October 21st Shit the bed. That’s so appalling it’s actually funny. Funny!!! I guess its a case of if you don't laugh you cry 😆 😭 With stats like that I suppose we can surely only improve. I mean it'd actually be hard to get worse than that moving forward 😕 🙏 |
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 24, 2023 13:22:59 GMT
I completely disagree that the midfield is fine as is. Burger aside it's dreadful. No running capability and no creativity whatsoever.
If Schumacher is to make his system work we are desperate for two genuine 8s in there that can work up and down and also create.
Johnson's legs have gone and Laurent is bone idle. Neither player is anywhere near creative enough either. Bae is the potential ace in the pack but no way can we rely on him alone.
Until we fix that and possibly the wide options too we simply won't score goals whoever is up front.
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 24, 2023 13:40:28 GMT
I completely disagree that the midfield is fine as is. Burger aside it's dreadful. No running capability and no creativity whatsoever. If Schumacher is to make his system work we are desperate for two genuine 8s in there that can work up and down and also create. Johnson's legs have gone and Laurent is bone idle. Neither player is anywhere near creative enough either. Bae is the potential ace in the pack but no way can we rely on him alone. Until we fix that and possibly the wide options too we simply won't score goals whoever is up front. Which area of the pitch would you say was stronger? |
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