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Post by Milkie on Dec 23, 2023 21:37:47 GMT
For me:
Positives:
Junior - there is a real player there
Substitutes - early and made a difference
Corners - they beat the first man ( was the low whipped corner just an AN thing?)
Taking Johnson off as he was slowing play down
Clean sheet
Areas for Improvements:
Need to be more clinical
Fitness and concentration ( well played JB)
Any sort of win after 9 without
Sustain those periods of pressure
Wingers to beat a fullback
Overall an improvement, baby steps in the right direction.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 23, 2023 21:41:29 GMT
I didn’t see any improvement. It was an exact replica of about 15 games I’ve seen this year where we haven’t looked at any stage likely to score a goal. The only difference was we didn’t concede at the end and lose. That’s not necessarily a criticism of the new coach but it’s the same players set up roughly the same way, what’s going to change?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 23, 2023 21:45:19 GMT
I didn’t see any improvement. It was an exact replica of about 15 games I’ve seen this year where we haven’t looked at any stage likely to score a goal. The only difference was we didn’t concede at the end and lose. That’s not necessarily a criticism of the new coach but it’s the same players set up roughly the same way, what’s going to change? Agree but it’s pretty logical , Why would players who are a consequence of a disasterous recruitment summer , and are miles off good enough for this league improve because their boss has changed they may like him more but they are still miles off good enough and always will be |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2023 21:48:42 GMT
Our corners definitely weren't a positive.
Every single one of them were gash and caused no trouble to the opposition whatsoever.
The fact that Schumachers early subs changed the flow of the game and upped our tempo is about the only positive, and hopefully he's seen that some of the starting players aren't worthy of a start compared to at least two of the lads who came off the bench.
I agree with Mickstupp about looking toothless yet again and Schumacher has some serious work ahead of him to get this team scoring goals.
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Post by Milkie on Dec 23, 2023 21:49:14 GMT
Fine boys, just my opinion, can’t remember early 2nd half subs making a positive impact before, loved the aggression and directness of Junior and as stated plenty of areas for improvement. He’s had 2 days, he will have learned a lot today, the biggest for
Me was the fact he withdrew Johnson as he was slowing play down, I suspect he will be a bit part player under SS
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 23, 2023 21:50:44 GMT
Second half for a spell we looked quite dynamic and as if we actually had a plan and passed and moved well. I can see in time the way he wants us to play.
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Post by Gods on Dec 23, 2023 21:54:22 GMT
I didn’t see any improvement. It was an exact replica of about 15 games I’ve seen this year where we haven’t looked at any stage likely to score a goal. The only difference was we didn’t concede at the end and lose. That’s not necessarily a criticism of the new coach but it’s the same players set up roughly the same way, what’s going to change? Agree but it’s pretty logical , Why would players who are a consequence of a disasterous recruitment summer , and are miles off good enough for this league improve because their boss has changed they may like him more but they are still miles off good enough and always will be There are still a, rapidly diminishing, group of people signed up to the idea that the summer supermarket trolley dash was a great success and the new players just need pointing in the right direction. But sadly it's not true. It was a complete cluster-fuck. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 23, 2023 21:54:28 GMT
Fine boys, just my opinion, can’t remember early 2nd half subs making a positive impact before, loved the aggression and directness of Junior and as stated plenty of areas for improvement. He’s had 2 days, he will have learned a lot today, the biggest for Me was the fact he withdrew Johnson as he was slowing play down, I suspect he will be a bit part player under SS With that in mind it'll be interesting to see if Pearson comes straight back in as he is the worst culprit for slowing the play down. |
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Post by mattface on Dec 23, 2023 21:55:28 GMT
I honestly believe there is enough talent in the squad. They just need to be coached properly. We have lost so many points due to individual errors.
It will take a bit of time, which we don't necessarily have, but there are encouraging signs. The early subs a clear indication of that
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Post by mattface on Dec 23, 2023 21:57:41 GMT
Agree but it’s pretty logical , Why would players who are a consequence of a disasterous recruitment summer , and are miles off good enough for this league improve because their boss has changed they may like him more but they are still miles off good enough and always will be There are still a, rapidly diminishing, group of people signed up to the idea that the summer supermarket trolley dash was a great success and the new players just need pointing in the right direction. But sadly it's not true. It was a complete cluster-fuck. Wouldn't say great success, but certainly don't think it's the total doom and gloom either. Some performances this season have shown that. Consistency is the key - in selection and performance |
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Post by chamberlain on Dec 23, 2023 22:00:46 GMT
He's got his work cut out with this squad, there's no doubt about that.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 23, 2023 22:05:41 GMT
Corners positive.  They were all woeful. |
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Post by chad on Dec 23, 2023 22:07:37 GMT
It was never going to be an instant fix. The squad isn’t good enough to do much in this league
It should however be able to stay out of trouble with decent management in terms of tactics and lineups
The second half was the best we’ve played for a while, the subs were early and definitely had an impact. And we didn’t concede
So overall I think a good start for SS but obviously a long way to go
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Post by Milkie on Dec 23, 2023 22:11:14 GMT
Corners positive. They were all woeful. Maybe a personal thing but knowing every corner was going to be fired, and cleared, by the first defender under AH, did my head in, just beating the first man was an improvement for Me!! |
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 23, 2023 22:15:57 GMT
Corners positive. They were all woeful. Maybe a personal thing but knowing every corner was going to be fired, and cleared, by the first defender under AH, did my head in, just beating the first man was an improvement for Me!! Beating the first man on a corner is not much good if it goes straight out for a throw in on the other side! |
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Post by walrus on Dec 23, 2023 22:21:29 GMT
I didn’t see any improvement. It was an exact replica of about 15 games I’ve seen this year where we haven’t looked at any stage likely to score a goal. The only difference was we didn’t concede at the end and lose. That’s not necessarily a criticism of the new coach but it’s the same players set up roughly the same way, what’s going to change? Could you not see that we were trying to play on the front foot, pass the ball forwards rather than sideways, and especially in the second half carry the ball forward? We couldn’t make a breakthrough against a team that were happy to sit deep and grind out a point, but I don’t see how you can call it an exact replica of other recent games. The energy and desire to attack in the second half was like night and day compared to the turgid late Neil performances. |
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 23, 2023 22:24:02 GMT
I didn’t see any improvement. It was an exact replica of about 15 games I’ve seen this year where we haven’t looked at any stage likely to score a goal. The only difference was we didn’t concede at the end and lose. That’s not necessarily a criticism of the new coach but it’s the same players set up roughly the same way, what’s going to change? Could you not see that we were trying to play on the front foot, pass the ball forwards rather than sideways, and especially in the second half carry the ball forward? We couldn’t make a breakthrough against a team that we’re happy to sit deep and grind out a point, but I don’t see how you can call it an exact replica of other recent games. The energy and desire to attack in the second half was like night and day compared to the turgid late Neil performances. No not really. It was the same frustrating, low quality crap we’ve seen at home all year. |
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Post by Milkie on Dec 23, 2023 22:24:02 GMT
Maybe a personal thing but knowing every corner was going to be fired, and cleared, by the first defender under AH, did my head in, just beating the first man was an improvement for Me!! Beating the first man on a corner is not much good if it goes straight out for a throw in on the other side! Didn’t say they were massive positives, and I’ll give you that, that was particularly pants. I would also suggest if the plan is to drop the On the keeper than you need someone stronger than vidigal to mark the keeper, like I said I hated them constantly hitting the first defender so maybe just my thing!! |
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Post by walrus on Dec 23, 2023 22:27:18 GMT
Could you not see that we were trying to play on the front foot, pass the ball forwards rather than sideways, and especially in the second half carry the ball forward? We couldn’t make a breakthrough against a team that we’re happy to sit deep and grind out a point, but I don’t see how you can call it an exact replica of other recent games. The energy and desire to attack in the second half was like night and day compared to the turgid late Neil performances. No not really. It was the same frustrating, low quality crap we’ve seen at home all year. Fair enough. Agree to disagree then, I thought the second half was very encouraging. |
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Post by stokest5 on Dec 23, 2023 22:28:56 GMT
Fine boys, just my opinion, can’t remember early 2nd half subs making a positive impact before, loved the aggression and directness of Junior and as stated plenty of areas for improvement. He’s had 2 days, he will have learned a lot today, the biggest for Me was the fact he withdrew Johnson as he was slowing play down, I suspect he will be a bit part player under SS Other than scoring that penalty the other week I genuinely can’t remember Johnson doing anything! Nothing! Not even a half decent pass to a teammate. |
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Post by stokest5 on Dec 23, 2023 22:36:50 GMT
No not really. It was the same frustrating, low quality crap we’ve seen at home all year. Fair enough. Agree to disagree then, I thought the second half was very encouraging. Second half we were better but the moods still dampened by the fact it’s taken 60 minutes to wake up. We could have very easily lost today to an extremely poor Millwall team. The worrying thing is we’re playing teams down at the bottom and there doesn’t look any difference between us and them. |
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Post by kjpt140v on Dec 23, 2023 22:47:51 GMT
For me: Positives: Junior - there is a real player there Substitutes - early and made a difference Corners - they beat the first man ( was the low whipped corner just an AN thing?) Taking Johnson off as he was slowing play down Clean sheet Areas for Improvements: Need to be more clinical Fitness and concentration ( well played JB) Any sort of win after 9 without Sustain those periods of pressure Wingers to beat a fullback Overall an improvement, baby steps in the right direction. The majority of our corners were poor. I believe we are going to improve as will the players you mention. I, like many others, will reserve judgement as I and you have been through this guessing games too many times. |
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Post by walrus on Dec 23, 2023 23:04:01 GMT
Fair enough. Agree to disagree then, I thought the second half was very encouraging. Second half we were better but the moods still dampened by the fact it’s taken 60 minutes to wake up. We could have very easily lost today to an extremely poor Millwall team. The worrying thing is we’re playing teams down at the bottom and there doesn’t look any difference between us and them. Well, aside from the error from McNally right at the end Millwall weren’t really in the game. They had two shots all match. I’m encouraged by what I saw second half. Get Junior and Bae on from the start and play with the intensity we did after they came on and we’ll win plenty of matches in this division. Granted, there was no cutting edge today (again) but Millwall were quite happy to sit deep and play for a point which didn’t help in that regard. The next home game v Ipswich will be more open I’m sure. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 24, 2023 0:19:23 GMT
Corners?
Really?
🤣🤣🤣
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Post by strettonstokie on Dec 24, 2023 0:36:45 GMT
Junior in at RB, bae in for DJ and Campbell wide right and that team scores goals. I know we didn't score but that second half was still exciting I enjoyed watching it
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Post by Milkie on Dec 24, 2023 0:51:37 GMT
As I said a personal peeve that we couldn’t clear the first defender previously, clearly it still needs work, and as stated right at the top , I questioned was that particular corner actually under instruction from AH as opposed t on them not being able to kick a ball. Just my thoughts and opinion ….. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 24, 2023 0:57:23 GMT
As I said a personal peeve that we couldn’t clear the first defender previously, clearly it still needs work, and as stated right at the top , I questioned was that particular corner actually under instruction from AH as opposed t on them not being able to kick a ball. Just my thoughts and opinion ….. Sarkic had catching practise for most of the game. There was about 3 in a row that no fucker seemed to want to take. Bae’s was atrocious. About the best was the short corner. Why we kept crossing it in the air today only God knows. |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Dec 24, 2023 2:02:44 GMT
I didn’t see any improvement. It was an exact replica of about 15 games I’ve seen this year where we haven’t looked at any stage likely to score a goal. The only difference was we didn’t concede at the end and lose. That’s not necessarily a criticism of the new coach but it’s the same players set up roughly the same way, what’s going to change? I think that I agree with this. The game was pretty much a replica of the Sheffield Wednesday match - the only difference was that Bonham saved us at the death from being hit with a sucker punch. I am hoping that as SS begins to settle in then we will begin to see some significant changes in terms of how the team is set up and approaches matches. The Birmingham game might give us a better insight. |
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Post by idle on Dec 24, 2023 13:19:23 GMT
I didn’t see any improvement. It was an exact replica of about 15 games I’ve seen this year where we haven’t looked at any stage likely to score a goal. The only difference was we didn’t concede at the end and lose. That’s not necessarily a criticism of the new coach but it’s the same players set up roughly the same way, what’s going to change? I think that I agree with this. The game was pretty much a replica of the Sheffield Wednesday match - the only difference was that Bonham saved us at the death from being hit with a sucker punch. I am hoping that as SS begins to settle in then we will begin to see some significant changes in terms of how the team is set up and approaches matches. The Birmingham game might give us a better insight. I don't agree. Sure, the result, and the lack of proper finishing, was straight up ANs cookbook, but we were much more direct in periods, especially in the second half. In the 1st half, Vidigal, Leris, Johnson and Laurent didn't move at all, making it hard to pass forward. This got much better in the 2nd, especially after Johnosn and Leris went off. You could see what Schuey is trying to do. And we were missing Pearson. I know some on here think he's wank (which actually is a positive on here IMO!), but he's good at braking up play and giving the ball to a better passer. Thompson just isn't the same. That said, Millwall were so poor in midfield we didn't need him. And as I said in the match thread, we'd have lost this under AN. The final error from McNally was a good stop from Bonham, but there were several good tackles during the game stopping them from getting chances. Some on here are just ridiculous in expecting a 3-0 win in his first game, when we haven't won in 8. At the same time they're crapping on all the players. FFS! "Supporters" my ass. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 24, 2023 13:30:30 GMT
Maybe a personal thing but knowing every corner was going to be fired, and cleared, by the first defender under AH, did my head in, just beating the first man was an improvement for Me!! Beating the first man on a corner is not much good if it goes straight out for a throw in on the other side! But at least a sign of some sanity as we've obviously realised doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results did indeed have us down as being insane. So for me Schumacher is sane. He made early and effective substitutions. He looks like he sees the benefit of front foot quicker football and it resulted in is winning far more second balls inside their half. 2nd half performance yesterday was a big improvement for me and shows us Schumacher at the very least has a clue and definitely has something about him. And he's likeable unlike the far too dour fella we had before. Good start by Schumacher in my opinion. |
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