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Post by 1948fitch on Dec 20, 2023 21:34:02 GMT
I’m fuming I let this get to two pages without making a master baker gag. I'm sure he'll rise to the top soon! Baker will have to 'prove' it
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2023 21:40:03 GMT
We’ll see what he’s like under SS. He wasn’t an AN, all run no end product midfielder. That said, he played half a season with an injury and delayed surgery until preseason. That doesn’t sound like someone with a bad attitude. Pretty sure that should apply to the lot of them. Clean slate let Schu make his mind up about them and don’t be all put out when and if his thoughts don’t align with our own. I’ll take a fresh look at any player he selects in his system even Mmaee. The thing is does he have any semi viable alternative to Mmaee at the moment? Dwight Gayle looks like he's done Wesley about as mobile as a post box Lowe I don't think is ready for this level Campbell probably made his mind up to leave and anyway looks far more suited as a wide forward Tezgel who knows what's going on there That leaves Mmaee as the only cab on the rank
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 20, 2023 21:48:22 GMT
Pretty sure that should apply to the lot of them. Clean slate let Schu make his mind up about them and don’t be all put out when and if his thoughts don’t align with our own. I’ll take a fresh look at any player he selects in his system even Mmaee. The thing is does he have any semi viable alternative to Mmaee at the moment? Dwight Gayle looks like he's done Wesley about as mobile as a post box Lowe I don't think is ready for this level Campbell probably made his mind up to leave and anyway looks far more suited as a wide forward Tezgel who knows what's going on there That leaves Mmaee as the only cab on the rank Your first 2 names has had me thinking before now. Gayle was only ever effective and scoring a lot when playing alongside another striker. I've long thought playing a lone striker is too easy for sides to defend against. It will interesting to see what Schuey makes of Mmaee and Campbell who are too laid back for him I'd guess.
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Post by a on Dec 21, 2023 14:17:10 GMT
I'm sure he'll rise to the top soon! Baker will have to 'prove' it If he doesn’t i can see him heading yeast to Dubai
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 21, 2023 14:26:11 GMT
The fella who doesn't like that sort of humour will have a cob on now
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Post by Goonie on Dec 21, 2023 14:28:08 GMT
I'd have him over laurent and Pearson that's for sure. Infact I think Baker and burger would work very well together. If only for the food related puns on a match day thread 😬
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 21, 2023 14:28:13 GMT
Can't see the new manager liking him as he can't tackle and is invisible until he takes a set piece.
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Post by jokker on Dec 21, 2023 14:36:20 GMT
Pretty sure that should apply to the lot of them. Clean slate let Schu make his mind up about them and don’t be all put out when and if his thoughts don’t align with our own. I’ll take a fresh look at any player he selects in his system even Mmaee. The thing is does he have any semi viable alternative to Mmaee at the moment? Campbell probably made his mind up to leave and anyway looks far more suited as a wide forward Even if he has made up his mind it won't be the first thing that he'll tell SS when they chat. If Campbell is selected and plays reasonably well, it could be up to the new man to persuade Ty he could have a future here. Maybe you think he's best suited for a wide role - maybe because previous managers have played him there most of the time - but Ty sees himself as a central sriker in the Kevin Campbell mould.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Dec 21, 2023 15:07:56 GMT
Baker will have to 'prove' it If he doesn’t i can see him heading yeast to Dubai Just hope he's still got the taste for it and doesn't overcook his past issues
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 21, 2023 15:57:41 GMT
How’s the time for Baker to step up, we knead him.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Dec 21, 2023 17:09:21 GMT
I think he was more than just a goalscoring midfielder when he first came. He really stood out and looked silky on the ball and played the game at his own pace, which was great when we were playing ok.
Then I guess we started to be shit and he couldnt be arsed with running around trying to put a tackle in and his game went severly downhill.
Maybe Im remembering another player??
If we can get him playing with confidence I think hes the best midfielder we have at the club. Not that theres a huge amount of competition.
Pearson and Burger are doing OK but have settled into complete mediocrity in the Championship. I was expecting Burger to take charge and be the main man.
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Post by mrrine on Dec 21, 2023 18:07:22 GMT
Get him gone.
Free up the wage.
Best for all parties.
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Post by Veritas on Dec 21, 2023 20:38:44 GMT
The thing is does he have any semi viable alternative to Mmaee at the moment? Campbell probably made his mind up to leave and anyway looks far more suited as a wide forward Even if he has made up his mind it won't be the first thing that he'll tell SS when they chat. If Campbell is selected and plays reasonably well, it could be up to the new man to persuade Ty he could have a future here. Maybe you think he's best suited for a wide role - maybe because previous managers have played him there most of the time - but Ty sees himself as a central sriker in the Kevin Campbell mould. Unfortunately Ty sees himself as a central striker in the Marco Van Basten mould.
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Post by jokker on Dec 22, 2023 10:50:48 GMT
Even if he has made up his mind it won't be the first thing that he'll tell SS when they chat. If Campbell is selected and plays reasonably well, it could be up to the new man to persuade Ty he could have a future here. Maybe you think he's best suited for a wide role - maybe because previous managers have played him there most of the time - but Ty sees himself as a central sriker in the Kevin Campbell mould. Unfortunately Ty sees himself as a central striker in the Marco Van Basten mould. He could be if we could persuade Ruud Gullit to come out of retirement and fulfill his lifelong dream of playing for Stoke City...to create an abundancy of glorious assists for the speedball
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Post by nott1 on Dec 22, 2023 11:34:09 GMT
Get him gone. Free up the wage. Best for all parties. By all parties you mean you!
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Post by mrrine on Dec 22, 2023 11:41:07 GMT
Get him gone. Free up the wage. Best for all parties. By all parties you mean you! I meant what I said? Covered to death above; his goals flatter to deceive and he goes into witness protection when things are tough. he's not alone by any means going missing, but not everyone is a top 5 earner at the club. You'd also have to imagine his motivation to be at stoke beyond the money is now 0. Which would presumably mean you'd have to start any investment in reintegrating him or trying him out in the squad to be starting below 0. For his wage, could and should we free it up to get better in? Best for all parties. (BTW all parties includes supporters ) From a cost benefit scenario it'd be an interesting argument to invest in him.
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Post by alsagerstoke on Dec 22, 2023 11:49:37 GMT
Get him gone. Free up the wage. Best for all parties. surely you mean best for all pasties
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 22, 2023 12:04:40 GMT
By all parties you mean you! I meant what I said? Covered to death above; his goals flatter to deceive and he goes into witness protection when things are tough. he's not alone by any means going missing, but not everyone is a top 5 earner at the club. You'd also have to imagine his motivation to be at stoke beyond the money is now 0. Which would presumably mean you'd have to start any investment in reintegrating him or trying him out in the squad to be starting below 0. For his wage, could and should we free it up to get better in? Best for all parties. (BTW all parties includes supporters ) From a cost benefit scenario it'd be an interesting argument to invest in him. Which players do you think aren’t at Stoke for the money?
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Dec 22, 2023 12:16:23 GMT
Think he well and truly burnt his bridges with Neil, maybe with a new gaffer and he gets his head down he can rise to the top
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Post by chell_rosey on Dec 22, 2023 12:18:04 GMT
Get him gone. Free up the wage. Best for all parties. surely you mean best for all pasties Pastries
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Post by mrrine on Dec 22, 2023 12:20:20 GMT
I meant what I said? Covered to death above; his goals flatter to deceive and he goes into witness protection when things are tough. he's not alone by any means going missing, but not everyone is a top 5 earner at the club. You'd also have to imagine his motivation to be at stoke beyond the money is now 0. Which would presumably mean you'd have to start any investment in reintegrating him or trying him out in the squad to be starting below 0. For his wage, could and should we free it up to get better in? Best for all parties. (BTW all parties includes supporters ) From a cost benefit scenario it'd be an interesting argument to invest in him. Which players do you think aren’t at Stoke for the money? Probably 0 given it's a job? My point in that context is you'll have players at Stoke solely for money. The likes of Junho /Jojic / vidigal / Mmaee for example will have gone beyond that buying into the vision and even if that hasn't worked out as planned will have something to prove and gain at stoke. They're all still relatively untested and can potentially do very well off of, and for, stoke. Baker on the other hand, can pick up a wage anywhere and enough will be willing to take a punt on him. He probably has 0 motivation to be here beyond his above average wage that A. I'm betting others [EDIT: in the championship] wouldnt offer. and B. we could spend on a keeper /striker.
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Post by nott1 on Dec 23, 2023 12:05:36 GMT
Which players do you think aren’t at Stoke for the money? Probably 0 given it's a job? My point in that context is you'll have players at Stoke solely for money. The likes of Junho /Jojic / vidigal / Mmaee for example will have gone beyond that buying into the vision and even if that hasn't worked out as planned will have something to prove and gain at stoke. They're all still relatively untested and can potentially do very well off of, and for, stoke. Baker on the other hand, can pick up a wage anywhere and enough will be willing to take a punt on him. He probably has 0 motivation to be here beyond his above average wage that A. I'm betting others [EDIT: in the championship] wouldnt offer. and B. we could spend on a keeper /striker.Since it is likely you have never had any sort of contact with the man you have no idea what his motivation is and also since he played for a considerable portion of his games for us carrying an injury I think that shows some sort of commitment!
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Post by baconburger on Dec 23, 2023 12:11:15 GMT
The thing is does he have any semi viable alternative to Mmaee at the moment? Campbell probably made his mind up to leave and anyway looks far more suited as a wide forward Even if he has made up his mind it won't be the first thing that he'll tell SS when they chat. If Campbell is selected and plays reasonably well, it could be up to the new man to persuade Ty he could have a future here. Maybe you think he's best suited for a wide role - maybe because previous managers have played him there most of the time - but Ty sees himself as a central sriker in the Kevin Campbell mould. Maybe he ought to trying to be as robust as his old man if he wants to emulate him.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 23, 2023 12:52:55 GMT
Probably 0 given it's a job? My point in that context is you'll have players at Stoke solely for money. The likes of Junho /Jojic / vidigal / Mmaee for example will have gone beyond that buying into the vision and even if that hasn't worked out as planned will have something to prove and gain at stoke. They're all still relatively untested and can potentially do very well off of, and for, stoke. Baker on the other hand, can pick up a wage anywhere and enough will be willing to take a punt on him. He probably has 0 motivation to be here beyond his above average wage that A. I'm betting others [EDIT: in the championship] wouldnt offer. and B. we could spend on a keeper /striker.Since it is likely you have never had any sort of contact with the man you have no idea what his motivation is and also since he played for a considerable portion of his games for us carrying an injury I think that shows some sort of commitment! He'd already gone to shit before the injury and it's pretty clear his motivation is zero when you see him on the pitch.
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Post by jokker on Dec 23, 2023 13:30:44 GMT
Since it is likely you have never had any sort of contact with the man you have no idea what his motivation is and also since he played for a considerable portion of his games for us carrying an injury I think that shows some sort of commitment! He'd already gone to shit before the injury and it's pretty clear his motivation is zero when you see him on the pitch. Today is a new start for everyone, even Baker, if he plays.
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Post by george2again on Jan 14, 2024 12:06:14 GMT
Posted a while back. SS seems to like him.
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 14, 2024 12:14:18 GMT
For me he just doesn't contribute enough in general play, especially when under the cosh. Yes when we are on top he is dangerous and has a goal in him, but makes too few tackles or does the hard yards that are required for me as a number 8.
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 14, 2024 12:26:27 GMT
Looking at the stats from yesterday, it's clear where the issues are.
The only players to make a key pass were Hoever, Mmaee and Campbell. No other key passes from any player. No through balls from anyone. Two of those players you want on the end of a key pass and not making them.
Baker attempted the lowest number of passes out of the three that started the game. Again though, goals mask issues.
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Post by lordb on Jan 14, 2024 12:28:16 GMT
For me he just doesn't contribute enough in general play, especially when under the cosh. Yes when we are on top he is dangerous and has a goal in him, but makes too few tackles or does the hard yards that are required for me as a number 8. He ran his nuts off yesterday he made so many runs off the ball I lost count Appreciate that's not as noticeable if watching on a screen Absolutely no slouching from him
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Post by lordb on Jan 14, 2024 12:28:50 GMT
Looking at the stats from yesterday, it's clear where the issues are. The only players to make a key pass were Hoever, Mmaee and Campbell. No other key passes from any player. No through balls from anyone. Two of those players you want on the end of a key pass and not making them. Baker attempted the lowest number of passes out of the three that started the game. Again though, goals mask issues. That's partly due to Rotherham defensive style
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