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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 19, 2023 12:32:38 GMT
So a complete backroom overhaul again?.. Looks that way
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 19, 2023 12:34:03 GMT
Any idea when it will be announced?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 19, 2023 12:36:12 GMT
Any idea when it will be announced? I was told sometime this afternoon 🤷♂️
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Post by callas12 on Dec 19, 2023 13:15:50 GMT
Attachment DeletedThis was the AN & PG heat map comparison before the WBA game on Sunday so only taking into account Gallaghers set up for the Swansea match.. Not a massive shift but clearly slightly more forward thinking & less messing around at the back as under AN
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Post by thisisouryear on Dec 19, 2023 13:17:27 GMT
View AttachmentThis was the AN & PG heat map comparison before the WBA game on Sunday so only taking into account Gallaghers set up for the Swansea match.. Not a massive shift but clearly slightly more forward thinking & less messing around at the back as under AN It shows AN has saggy tits
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Post by kjpt140v on Dec 19, 2023 16:51:01 GMT
Unbeaten run of 2 games…….doing very well by Alex Neil standards….. Six unbeaten?
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Post by kidcrewbob on Dec 19, 2023 16:53:05 GMT
Unbeaten run of 2 games…….doing very well by Alex Neil standards….. Six unbeaten? ...and since?
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Post by kjpt140v on Dec 19, 2023 16:59:36 GMT
A few weeks ago, your post is ridiculous and shallow. Means nothing.
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Post by blackpoolred on Dec 19, 2023 17:33:00 GMT
No offence, but I hope the club are not thinking the same, we possibly have one viable LB in our squad and he is in his mid thirties and 2 years past his sell by date according to Sheff U fans, so we have to be looking at improving in that area and having competition for places if we genuinely want to be a top half team - if we are happy for a midfielder to play at LB and just say he can do a job if needs be then how does that move us forward. Clark was a free agent and there is a reason for that, we need to off-load, which then leaves us with just 3 central defenders on our books, one is injury prone - again we need to be aiming for 4 or 5 competitive central defenders on our books at all times and we need a real 6ft 6in rottweiler if we want to move forward, agreed that McNally and Wilmot might be a decent partnership though - it's a competitive/physical league where we are playing 2 games a week, we can't be in a position if 1 defender gets injured we are playing a square peg, or just relying on playing a back 4 with the same 2 central defenders for 46 games - I would over stock in central defence and maybe use excess players to fill in at RB/LB if we pick up injuries there - 3 is pathetic number to have in your squad in this league and it was just 2 after the last Jan window(one of those being a 40 year old) - bizarre for me We do need a striker and some guile and creativity up front. Important window for me - and if we don't improve the balance and quality of the squad we could be in a poor position Sorry but that’s just fantasy stuff. Unloading of players we don’t really want just isn’t happening until their contracts expire and we can’t just sign players like those we have under contract don’t exist. Clarke won’t be going anywhere he’s screwed us for his last payday and we’re just going to have to suk it up, just like Gayle and Wesley and even Stevens to an extent. We can assume there is a wage there for a keeper because we were paying Travers. We really need a CF and were bidding for BTA on deadline day so we can assume we have a wage available there. The wage we had for other CB’s we were chasing we’ve given to Clarke. We might be able to move players out or return loans to make room to do more but it won’t be any of the real millstones we’ve lumbered ourselves with the only way we’re getting rid of them is when their contracts end mainly in the Summer. We signed 18 players in the summer, 8 of which were attacking players, and 1 left-sided defender who was in his 30's and not getting regular football for his club. I don't think it is fantasy to expect us to sign at least 2 left-sided defenders and try and make one of them decent buy. Most clubs have 4 or 5 central defenders on their books the top clubs more. AN himself said they did not reach targets for that area of the pitch - starting the season with just 3 is poor business. We have to try and add some quality/quantity in that area of the park in this window - we are in a relegation battle. Also, players don't have to run to the end of their contracts before we can move them on - although our business is normally so piss poor that nobody wants any of our players
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Post by baconburger on Dec 19, 2023 17:49:39 GMT
Sorry but that’s just fantasy stuff. Unloading of players we don’t really want just isn’t happening until their contracts expire and we can’t just sign players like those we have under contract don’t exist. Clarke won’t be going anywhere he’s screwed us for his last payday and we’re just going to have to suk it up, just like Gayle and Wesley and even Stevens to an extent. We can assume there is a wage there for a keeper because we were paying Travers. We really need a CF and were bidding for BTA on deadline day so we can assume we have a wage available there. The wage we had for other CB’s we were chasing we’ve given to Clarke. We might be able to move players out or return loans to make room to do more but it won’t be any of the real millstones we’ve lumbered ourselves with the only way we’re getting rid of them is when their contracts end mainly in the Summer. We signed 18 players in the summer, 8 of which were attacking players, and 1 left-sided defender who was in his 30's and not getting regular football for his club. I don't think it is fantasy to expect us to sign at least 2 left-sided defenders and try and make one of them decent buy. Most clubs have 4 or 5 central defenders on their books the top clubs more. AN himself said they did not reach targets for that area of the pitch - starting the season with just 3 is poor business. We have to try and add some quality/quantity in that area of the park in this window - we are in a relegation battle. Also, players don't have to run to the end of their contracts before we can move them on - although our business is normally so piss poor that nobody wants any of our players You just seem to want to do the impossible an re run our Summer window. No all players don’t have to run to the end of their contract but big mistakes on huge wages leave you with no choice. Our business is so piss poor we have had a profit on player trading under both our last 2 managers running into the millions. We do have players we could move on who must be on decent wages (1 of Baker or Laurent I identified in other posts) but any thoughts of shifting the likes of Gayle, Wesley or Clarke are cloud cuckoo. We also have loans we could try to negotiate the return of but the new manager will want to evaluate them first. Goalkeeper and a striker anything more dependent on outgoings would seem entirely fair and sensible to me. Maybe try to keep up and stop living in the past.
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Post by stokefanone on Dec 19, 2023 18:04:12 GMT
No I'm not splitting anything I'm just telling you the facts, something that seems to evade you. Gouranga. Anyway to split straws is it not 'splitting hairs' or 'clutching at straws'? I've never heard of 'splitting straws'. Yep! I’m getting old! Still think, it’s a fact hoever is never a full back.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 19, 2023 18:08:23 GMT
Anyway to split straws is it not 'splitting hairs' or 'clutching at straws'? I've never heard of 'splitting straws'. Yep! I’m getting old! Still think, it’s a fact hoever is never a full back. At times it’s hard to see he’s a professional footballer. But he has also been brilliant for us as well. But you are right at no time has he ever shown any defensive ability. Play him high up the pitch or not at all. In front of Junior might work?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 19, 2023 18:32:43 GMT
Gally staying👍
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 19, 2023 18:46:57 GMT
I thought he would, had to be some sort of continuity, couldn't just all leave en masse and leave the new boys to do it.. whether he stays beyond a settling in period, we shall see.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 19, 2023 19:05:13 GMT
Yep! I’m getting old! Still think, it’s a fact hoever is never a full back. At times it’s hard to see he’s a professional footballer. But he has also been brilliant for us as well. But you are right at no time has he ever shown any defensive ability. Play him high up the pitch or not at all. In front of Junior might work? I’m not too sure what those times are his technique is quite possibly the very best in the squad. He’s been in quite poor form recently but he still deals with the ball more comfortably and naturally than anyone else in the squad that springs to mind. Can still develop into a top RB at a club playing front foot dominant football.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 19, 2023 19:27:18 GMT
At times it’s hard to see he’s a professional footballer. But he has also been brilliant for us as well. But you are right at no time has he ever shown any defensive ability. Play him high up the pitch or not at all. In front of Junior might work? I’m not too sure what those times are his technique is quite possibly the very best in the squad. He’s been in quite poor form recently but he still deals with the ball more comfortably and naturally than anyone else in the squad that springs to mind. Can still develop into a top RB at a club playing front foot dominant football. Last season I thought he was a lovely player going forward. He's been a pale shadow of that player this season to the point in the last 2 games he was taken off corner duties because they were so shocking. He must have taken 6 or 7 and didn't beat the first man with a single one. But even during his purple patch last season you could never describe him as a full back. He's exactly the same type of player as Alexander Arnold and that includes not one iota of defensive ability. Hopefully a new manager might rejuvenate him and we might see a return to the marauding goalscoring right wing back we saw for a period last season
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Post by baconburger on Dec 19, 2023 21:43:48 GMT
I’m not too sure what those times are his technique is quite possibly the very best in the squad. He’s been in quite poor form recently but he still deals with the ball more comfortably and naturally than anyone else in the squad that springs to mind. Can still develop into a top RB at a club playing front foot dominant football. Last season I thought he was a lovely player going forward. He's been a pale shadow of that player this season to the point in the last 2 games he was taken off corner duties because they were so shocking. He must have taken 6 or 7 and didn't beat the first man with a single one. But even during his purple patch last season you could never describe him as a full back. He's exactly the same type of player as Alexander Arnold and that includes not one iota of defensive ability. Hopefully a new manager might rejuvenate him and we might see a return to the marauding goalscoring right wing back we saw for a period last season OK one of the most productive FB’s in the Prem isn’t a FB either. Do you ever just stop to think that maybe he’s just not your type of FB. The stupidity is people wanting to take that sort of exceptional output and move it to another position on the field where it would probably be average because it doesn’t fit with their definition. The idea that Hoever doesn’t have one iota of defensive ability is absurd there’s nothing wrong with his tackling or aerial ability and he’s a fine athlete, his positioning is suspect and his decision making can infuriate when he tries to do too much on the ball in silly areas. Also his marauding and goal scoring came as a FB in a back 4.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Dec 19, 2023 21:52:10 GMT
That right mate? Hughes and Gally as assistants I presume Wonder if hes worked with Schu previously
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 19, 2023 22:04:09 GMT
Last season I thought he was a lovely player going forward. He's been a pale shadow of that player this season to the point in the last 2 games he was taken off corner duties because they were so shocking. He must have taken 6 or 7 and didn't beat the first man with a single one. But even during his purple patch last season you could never describe him as a full back. He's exactly the same type of player as Alexander Arnold and that includes not one iota of defensive ability. Hopefully a new manager might rejuvenate him and we might see a return to the marauding goalscoring right wing back we saw for a period last season OK one of the most productive FB’s in the Prem isn’t a FB either. Do you ever just stop to think that maybe he’s just not your type of FB. The stupidity is people wanting to take that sort of exceptional output and move it to another position on the field where it would probably be average because it doesn’t fit with their definition. The idea that Hoever doesn’t have one iota of defensive ability is absurd there’s nothing wrong with his tackling or aerial ability and he’s a fine athlete, his positioning is suspect and his decision making can infuriate when he tries to do too much on the ball in silly areas. Also his marauding and goal scoring came as a FB in a back 4. Ok mate we'll have to beg to differ. I can't be arsed and bearing in mind this is a thread about Gally might be a discussion for another thread anyway.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 19, 2023 22:42:06 GMT
OK one of the most productive FB’s in the Prem isn’t a FB either. Do you ever just stop to think that maybe he’s just not your type of FB. The stupidity is people wanting to take that sort of exceptional output and move it to another position on the field where it would probably be average because it doesn’t fit with their definition. The idea that Hoever doesn’t have one iota of defensive ability is absurd there’s nothing wrong with his tackling or aerial ability and he’s a fine athlete, his positioning is suspect and his decision making can infuriate when he tries to do too much on the ball in silly areas. Also his marauding and goal scoring came as a FB in a back 4. Ok mate we'll have to beg to differ. I can't be arsed and bearing in mind this is a thread about Gally might be a discussion for another thread anyway. OK you go differ with Jurgen Klopp he obviously knows far less than you about the game. What chance do I stand.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 19, 2023 22:51:36 GMT
Ok mate we'll have to beg to differ. I can't be arsed and bearing in mind this is a thread about Gally might be a discussion for another thread anyway. OK you go differ with Jurgen Klopp he obviously knows far less than you about the game. What chance do I stand. Ok
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Post by Marc01 on Dec 19, 2023 23:02:43 GMT
That right mate? Hughes and Gally as assistants I presume Wonder if hes worked with Schu previously Don’t know, but, by weird coincidence, he remained in place at PNE when Ryan Lowe quit as manager of Argyle, to go there in December 2021. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Gallagher_(footballer)On 10 May 2021, it was announced that Gallagher would be retiring from football and would be stepping into the role of first-team coach at Preston, assisting new permanent head coach Frankie McAvoy, a role he had been in since March of that year. Gallagher left Preston in July 2023 and was appointed first-team coach at Stoke City working under Alex Neil. On 10 December 2023, Neil left his position at Stoke, and Gallagher was appointed as caretaker manager.
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Post by chicagostokie on Dec 19, 2023 23:14:25 GMT
Ok mate we'll have to beg to differ. I can't be arsed and bearing in mind this is a thread about Gally might be a discussion for another thread anyway. OK you go differ with Jurgen Klopp he obviously knows far less than you about the game. What chance do I stand. To be fair, that’s not exactly accurate. Playing Trent at RB has caused Klopp a lot of issues, and Liverpool fans have been calling for him to push into midfield. There’s been a number of games over the last few seasons where TAA has pushed into the middle and then Henderson has had to cover for him, or more recently Konate. This has also been a dilemma for southgate As soon as Pep designed a new RB role, moving inside to overload midfield, it’s put pressure on other teams to do the same. Playing Hoever at RB for us would need one of the midfielders to sit in and cover or a faster / more intelligent CB to always be covering. I’m not sure we have that luxury for now. I’d be playing Junior and having Hoever as a more attacking option in the right if needed.
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Post by blackpoolred on Dec 19, 2023 23:26:24 GMT
We signed 18 players in the summer, 8 of which were attacking players, and 1 left-sided defender who was in his 30's and not getting regular football for his club. I don't think it is fantasy to expect us to sign at least 2 left-sided defenders and try and make one of them decent buy. Most clubs have 4 or 5 central defenders on their books the top clubs more. AN himself said they did not reach targets for that area of the pitch - starting the season with just 3 is poor business. We have to try and add some quality/quantity in that area of the park in this window - we are in a relegation battle. Also, players don't have to run to the end of their contracts before we can move them on - although our business is normally so piss poor that nobody wants any of our players You just seem to want to do the impossible an re run our Summer window. No all players don’t have to run to the end of their contract but big mistakes on huge wages leave you with no choice. Our business is so piss poor we have had a profit on player trading under both our last 2 managers running into the millions. We do have players we could move on who must be on decent wages (1 of Baker or Laurent I identified in other posts) but any thoughts of shifting the likes of Gayle, Wesley or Clarke are cloud cuckoo. We also have loans we could try to negotiate the return of but the new manager will want to evaluate them first. Goalkeeper and a striker anything more dependent on outgoings would seem entirely fair and sensible to me. Maybe try to keep up and stop living in the past. Agree with nearly all of what you say there. I know we can't re run the window though, but the point is we keep making the same mistakes in every single window. It started under Hughes where in our last season in the prem our only viable option at RB was a centre-forward - this in the multi-million pound PL. I think it was Murphy who commented on MOD about the situation calling it shocking and Bizarre that the club were in that position on the opening day of the season After the last Jan window we had 2 central defenders fit to play and, in the middle of a relegation battle, one of those was a 40 year-old - defence has just got neglected window after window in terms of quality and quantity - it was Pep that put his Champions League success down to having a backline of central defenders. Its not rocket science for the people that run the club, end each window with at least 2 competitive RBs/LBs and an absolute minimum of 4 central defenders, and maybe, just maybe try and get some belters in there and not just someone in the mid 30's or 40's that has happened to play in that position before, and a decent GK any year now wouldn't go a miss. Let's hope the latest British no-hoper they have employed can count and understand above, because nobody at the club has been able to for quite a while now - maybe an abacus would be a good xmas present for them
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Post by kidcrewbob on Dec 19, 2023 23:43:20 GMT
A few weeks ago, your post is ridiculous and shallow. Means nothing. It was meant as a shallow and sarcastic comment - put yer knickers on and get over yer sen…..
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Post by baconburger on Dec 20, 2023 9:38:43 GMT
OK you go differ with Jurgen Klopp he obviously knows far less than you about the game. What chance do I stand. To be fair, that’s not exactly accurate. Playing Trent at RB has caused Klopp a lot of issues, and Liverpool fans have been calling for him to push into midfield. There’s been a number of games over the last few seasons where TAA has pushed into the middle and then Henderson has had to cover for him, or more recently Konate. This has also been a dilemma for southgate As soon as Pep designed a new RB role, moving inside to overload midfield, it’s put pressure on other teams to do the same. Playing Hoever at RB for us would need one of the midfielders to sit in and cover or a faster / more intelligent CB to always be covering. I’m not sure we have that luxury for now. I’d be playing Junior and having Hoever as a more attacking option in the right if needed. It’s perfectly accurate TAA is a RB and Klopp consistently plays him as a RB. Of course there are some consequences but also many benefits. To claim a player isn’t something they clearly are because you personally wouldn’t use them in that position then try to make out it’s a fact rather than an opinion is just being up your own arse. TAA is a RB if you’re Southgate and you don’t have the balls to play him as a RB don’t play him. Don’t try to convert a RB with exceptional output to an average No10. Same at Stoke Hoever is a RB he might not be your type of RB but it’s where all his best performances have come for the club and to say either player doesn’t have one iota of defensive ability is self aggrandising bollocks.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 20, 2023 9:48:20 GMT
To be fair, that’s not exactly accurate. Playing Trent at RB has caused Klopp a lot of issues, and Liverpool fans have been calling for him to push into midfield. There’s been a number of games over the last few seasons where TAA has pushed into the middle and then Henderson has had to cover for him, or more recently Konate. This has also been a dilemma for southgate As soon as Pep designed a new RB role, moving inside to overload midfield, it’s put pressure on other teams to do the same. Playing Hoever at RB for us would need one of the midfielders to sit in and cover or a faster / more intelligent CB to always be covering. I’m not sure we have that luxury for now. I’d be playing Junior and having Hoever as a more attacking option in the right if needed. It’s perfectly accurate TAA is a RB and Klopp consistently plays him as a RB. Of course there are some consequences but also many benefits. To claim a player isn’t something they clearly are because you personally wouldn’t use them in that position then try to make out it’s a fact rather than an opinion is just being up your own arse. TAA is a RB if you’re Southgate and you don’t have the balls to play him as a RB don’t play him. Don’t try to convert a RB with exceptional output to an average No10. Same at Stoke Hoever is a RB he might not be your type of RB but it’s where all his best performances have come for the club and to say either player doesn’t have one iota of defensive ability is self aggrandising bollocks. You of course are perfectly placed to recognise self aggrandising bollocks from your vantage point high up your own arse. But then people aren't allowed opinions that differ from yours without being insulted are they?
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 20, 2023 9:49:03 GMT
To be fair, that’s not exactly accurate. Playing Trent at RB has caused Klopp a lot of issues, and Liverpool fans have been calling for him to push into midfield. There’s been a number of games over the last few seasons where TAA has pushed into the middle and then Henderson has had to cover for him, or more recently Konate. This has also been a dilemma for southgate As soon as Pep designed a new RB role, moving inside to overload midfield, it’s put pressure on other teams to do the same. Playing Hoever at RB for us would need one of the midfielders to sit in and cover or a faster / more intelligent CB to always be covering. I’m not sure we have that luxury for now. I’d be playing Junior and having Hoever as a more attacking option in the right if needed. It’s perfectly accurate TAA is a RB and Klopp consistently plays him as a RB. Of course there are some consequences but also many benefits. To claim a player isn’t something they clearly are because you personally wouldn’t use them in that position then try to make out it’s a fact rather than an opinion is just being up your own arse. TAA is a RB if you’re Southgate and you don’t have the balls to play him as a RB don’t play him. Don’t try to convert a RB with exceptional output to an average No10. Same at Stoke Hoever is a RB he might not be your type of RB but it’s where all his best performances have come for the club and to say either player doesn’t have one iota of defensive ability is self aggrandising bollocks. This is an interesting read. It seems that anyone expecting a full back's main role to be defensive is a bit of a dinosaur. Gary Neville and Ashley Cole apparently wouldn't be good enough today unless they could adapt to playing the inverted full back role, slipping into midfield when their team are in possession. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67747395
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Post by baconburger on Dec 20, 2023 10:05:03 GMT
It’s perfectly accurate TAA is a RB and Klopp consistently plays him as a RB. Of course there are some consequences but also many benefits. To claim a player isn’t something they clearly are because you personally wouldn’t use them in that position then try to make out it’s a fact rather than an opinion is just being up your own arse. TAA is a RB if you’re Southgate and you don’t have the balls to play him as a RB don’t play him. Don’t try to convert a RB with exceptional output to an average No10. Same at Stoke Hoever is a RB he might not be your type of RB but it’s where all his best performances have come for the club and to say either player doesn’t have one iota of defensive ability is self aggrandising bollocks. You of course are perfectly placed to recognise self aggrandising bollocks from your vantage point high up your own arse. But then people aren't allowed opinions that differ from yours without being insulted are they? Yeah they are absolutely. I always try to frame my opinions as just that opinions not facts. If I post an opinion as a fact challenge it and I’ll correct myself. There are very few facts when it comes to football, virtually everything we debate is a matter of taste and opinion. That’s what I did in this case but instead of accepting it was merely your opinion you begged to differ. So many of you want to paint the new manager into a corner that if he picks Hoever at RB instead of Junior he must be some sort of idiot. If he picks Hoever ahead of Junior just suk it up.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 20, 2023 10:27:23 GMT
You of course are perfectly placed to recognise self aggrandising bollocks from your vantage point high up your own arse. But then people aren't allowed opinions that differ from yours without being insulted are they? Yeah they are absolutely. I always try to frame my opinions as just that opinions not facts. If I post an opinion as a fact challenge it and I’ll correct myself. There are very few facts when it comes to football, virtually everything we debate is a matter of taste and opinion. That’s what I did in this case but instead of accepting it was merely your opinion you begged to differ. So many of you want to paint the new manager into a corner that if he picks Hoever at RB instead of Junior he must be some sort of idiot. If he picks Hoever ahead of Junior just suk it up. If you can show me anything on here where I’ve tried to pass off my opinion as fact I’ll readily apologise. I may be opinionated but I’m not so arrogant that I believe my opinion is right (not all the time anyway) and I don’t feel the need to insult other posters as being ‘self aggrandising’ or ‘up their own arse’ when they disagree with me. I try to argue my case and if that doesn’t work move on. There’s no point falling out over something that’s hardly life and death. I think you’ll find if you read my posts back that I like Hoever as a footballer I just don’t rate him as a defender. That isn’t to say I wouldn’t play him or that I prefer Junior over him (I’ve not seen enough of him to form an opinion) I just wouldn’t play him as a right back in a conventional back 4. Anyway we’ve laboured this enough on a thread about Paul Gallagher so I’m off. Have a good day and enjoy Saturday whoever he picks.
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