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Post by baconburger on Dec 18, 2023 10:49:11 GMT
He is doing fine. As a caretaker manager he was never going to walk in and try to become the next Guardiola. He has taken a very pragmatic approach (to put it mildly), but that is not necessarily surprising bearing in mind that this is his first managerial gig and he has only had a handful of days to prepare for two games. It does nobody any good if he goes all guns blazing and we get a couple of spankings. He has steadied the ship and that will do. However, he is not going to be our long term solution and we need to appoint the new man as soon as possible. If he never manages us again I’ll never forgive how he’s set us up the last 2 games. Fucking embarrassing.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 18, 2023 11:04:31 GMT
His playing style at Kidderminster was widely praised and his style at Birmingham last season was dire and pragmatic - which isn't a surprise given they were a poor side widely tipped to be relegated. I really don't get how many people ignore the fact that only last season he kept a team in danger of relegation in this league and that is a massive tick given where we are, It's almost like people are in denial that we are in a relegation battle and expect the new manager just to come in wave a magic wand and get us playing scintillating football at the top of the league this season. Get real - we are in a relegation battle and survival is the name of the game. Anyone who wants pretty needs to look away now. As to his appointment being unanimously rejected - no it won't. There are plenty on here who recognise our situation for what it is and appreciate what a good job Eustace did with a very poor side. I don't think anyone would have him down as first choice but in the circumstances a lot of people, me included, recognise we could do a lot worse. Gallagher is doing a decent job in the circumstances but has no managerial experience. If Eustace were to come in I can't see why he wouldn't keep Gallagher on board and build on his good work. With some of the other managers being touted that would be far less likely and result in yet more disruption. You’re going to fucking hate Schumacher🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 If he gets us playing gung ho attacking football, loses 4-5 every week and gets us relegated then damn right I'll hate Schumacher. And you will be the only one left at the ground gurning away at the wet dream fuck up you seem to want to happen. Thing is I don't have a problem with Schumacher because I don't think he's the fool you think he is and like every manager knows full well it's results that matter.
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Post by a on Dec 18, 2023 11:08:35 GMT
I’ve already said this on another thread. It’s been absolute hell watching the last two games, no thank you. I don’t want him as manager but to be fair I think we look better. He’s at least playing a better system and making subs at an earlier stage.
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Post by Block 22 on Dec 18, 2023 11:12:05 GMT
He is doing fine. As a caretaker manager he was never going to walk in and try to become the next Guardiola. He has taken a very pragmatic approach (to put it mildly), but that is not necessarily surprising bearing in mind that this is his first managerial gig and he has only had a handful of days to prepare for two games. It does nobody any good if he goes all guns blazing and we get a couple of spankings. He has steadied the ship and that will do. However, he is not going to be our long term solution and we need to appoint the new man as soon as possible. My comments were about Eustace. Not Gallagher, btw.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 18, 2023 11:50:24 GMT
He has done ok but giving him the job permanently as I’ve seen some suggest would be absolutely baseless on the evidence of those 2 games.
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Post by Block 22 on Dec 18, 2023 13:04:45 GMT
You’re going to fucking hate Schumacher🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 If he gets us playing gung ho attacking football, loses 4-5 every week and gets us relegated then damn right I'll hate Schumacher. And you will be the only one left at the ground gurning away at the wet dream fuck up you seem to want to happen. Thing is I don't have a problem with Schumacher because I don't think he's the fool you think he is and like every manager knows full well it's results that matter. It’s literally only you that has alluded to this gung-ho attacking football. Not one Stoke fan expects that. How about some of the basic niceties fans of almost every other club in the country get to see regularly. Scoring 2 goals in a game. Starting a football match with the intention of taking the game to the opposition. That dreaded stat of however many games it took us to score 3 goals. That dreaded stat of however many games it took us to come back and win from behind. Whether you like it or not, football is an entertainment sport. I can honestly say I have only been entertained a handful of times since we got relegated. I’ve only walked away from a match thinking we’d put on a really good, assuring performance in over 90 minutes. Winning games of football and playing an exciting, goalscoring brand of football are not mutually exclusive to one another. Some people think our only chance at success is to play like TP had us playing.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 18, 2023 13:05:55 GMT
Done OK,seems to have the players fighting,maybe if he got the job on till the end of the season,he could go more attacking.
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Dec 18, 2023 13:12:04 GMT
Starting line ups seem pretty weird. Decent subs. Reasonable effort from players but second best against West Brom and lucky to get a point. Did enough to win against Swansea (just about). Incredibly boring to watch
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Post by scfcnicholas on Dec 18, 2023 14:01:11 GMT
He is far too negative like his boss. It's about time we had a coach with the balls to take the game to the opposition and get some men in the box when we have the chance. It's not like we're playing Man City every week. He has got the team looking more organised but it's a very hard watch. I don’t get that logic about Neil, there’s a massive difference between being negative and just being shit. He was simply shit. He didn’t set up for draws or overly defensively, we dominated possession and often most other attacking stats, could never convert it to anything useful and the defence was shocking.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 18, 2023 14:13:00 GMT
No he didn't he dropped Junior and played Jun-Ho instead. Why let facts get in the way of an agenda heh? Gouranga. You are splitting straws! Hoever does not have the focus to be a defender. No I'm not splitting anything I'm just telling you the facts, something that seems to evade you. Gouranga.
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Post by stokefanone on Dec 18, 2023 15:58:36 GMT
You are splitting straws! Hoever does not have the focus to be a defender. No I'm not splitting anything I'm just telling you the facts, something that seems to evade you. Gouranga. In my opinion Junior is a better WB than hoever, junior should be first choice. Bae was played as an inside right, a change in tactic. If Gallagher can’t see that junior is a better FB than Hoever, he is not good enough to be managing, that’s a fact!
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Post by baconburger on Dec 18, 2023 16:08:03 GMT
No I'm not splitting anything I'm just telling you the facts, something that seems to evade you. Gouranga. In my opinion Junior is a better WB than hoever, junior should be first choice. Bae was played as an inside right, a change in tactic. If Gallagher can’t see that junior is a better FB than Hoever, he is not good enough to be managing, that’s a fact! It really isn’t it’s an opinion.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 18, 2023 16:36:31 GMT
No I'm not splitting anything I'm just telling you the facts, something that seems to evade you. Gouranga. In my opinion Junior is a better WB than hoever, junior should be first choice. Bae was played as an inside right, a change in tactic. If Gallagher can’t see that junior is a better FB than Hoever, he is not good enough to be managing, that’s a fact! No it isn't it's an opinion. And opinions are like arseholes - everyone has one but everyone thinks theirs smells nicer. Gouranga.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 18, 2023 16:37:03 GMT
You are splitting straws! Hoever does not have the focus to be a defender. No I'm not splitting anything I'm just telling you the facts, something that seems to evade you. Gouranga. Anyway to split straws is it not 'splitting hairs' or 'clutching at straws'? I've never heard of 'splitting straws'.
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Post by ibby on Dec 18, 2023 18:06:55 GMT
I hope he stays at the club.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 18, 2023 18:43:16 GMT
I hope he stays at the club. Yeah he’d be really useful if we have to play Real Madrid or their like. For playing bog standard championship teams no thanks.
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Post by thisisouryear on Dec 18, 2023 18:49:43 GMT
I hope he stays at the club. I don't, I hope he goes and starts his own managerial journey somewhere and has loads of success.
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Post by blackpoolred on Dec 18, 2023 21:11:46 GMT
It is all we have to hope for while the current lot are in charge - that one of the mediocre British no-hopers come good. I just think he is at least getting a tune out of them and should know where we need strengthening in the window - whereas Eustace will take time and may not bring in the right players, which could be a disaster. It's bleeding obvious we need a keeper and one if not two CBs and any manager coming in will pick that up straghtaway either through watching them on the training field or because people currently at the club will tell them. Eustace or any incoming manager for that matter isn't going to take 6 weeks to work out the problems. It has been blatantly obvious for years that we have been short of quality/quantity in defence - not just a recent thing - nobody seems to have noticed so far - so not a given. In fact I am just expecting that area of the park to be totally neglected again in the next window, as it has been for what seems an age now. What happens when you have a poor/clueless transfer team and manager to match
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Post by baconburger on Dec 18, 2023 21:14:53 GMT
It's bleeding obvious we need a keeper and one if not two CBs and any manager coming in will pick that up straghtaway either through watching them on the training field or because people currently at the club will tell them. Eustace or any incoming manager for that matter isn't going to take 6 weeks to work out the problems. It has been blatantly obvious for years that we have been short of quality/quantity in defence - not just a recent thing - nobody seems to have noticed so far - so not a given. In fact I am just expecting that area of the park to be totally neglected again in the next window, as it has been for what seems an age now. What happens when you have a poor/clueless transfer team and manager to match Take a look at the table with goals for and against. Our defence whist not outstanding is a damn site better than our forward line.
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Post by smallthorner on Dec 18, 2023 21:15:06 GMT
I hope he stays at the club. I don't, I hope he goes and starts his own managerial journey somewhere and has loads of success. Plymouth 😁
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Post by cousindupree on Dec 18, 2023 21:20:44 GMT
Get him gone. As soon as Alex Neil gets another gig he will jump ship.
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Post by blackpoolred on Dec 18, 2023 21:42:35 GMT
It has been blatantly obvious for years that we have been short of quality/quantity in defence - not just a recent thing - nobody seems to have noticed so far - so not a given. In fact I am just expecting that area of the park to be totally neglected again in the next window, as it has been for what seems an age now. What happens when you have a poor/clueless transfer team and manager to match Take a look at the table with goals for and against. Our defence whist not outstanding is a damn site better than our forward line. Yes, but do we have a viable keeper, left-sided defender, we started the season with just 3 central defenders - nobody really great/dominant in the air. A lot of the goals we conceded in the 2nd half of last season, pre-season and this year has been through not being able to cope with a simple cross. I agree we have a lack of talent up front, but you have to start at the back and build. We have had a number of managers here who have stated you need 2 competitive players for every position including AN - what is therefore happening with our defence? We started our last season in the prem with our only option at RB being a centre-forward - Bizarre doesn't cover it and we have never recovered in my opinion
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Post by baconburger on Dec 18, 2023 21:44:09 GMT
Get him gone. As soon as Alex Neil gets another gig he will jump ship. All the more reason not to pay him up.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 18, 2023 21:56:39 GMT
Take a look at the table with goals for and against. Our defence whist not outstanding is a damn site better than our forward line. Yes, but do we have a viable keeper, left-sided defender, we started the season with just 3 central defenders - nobody really great/dominant in the air. A lot of the goals we conceded in the 2nd half of last season, pre-season and this year has been through not being able to cope with a simple cross. I agree we have a lack of talent up front, but you have to start at the back and build. We have had a number of managers here who have stated you need 2 competitive players for every position including AN - what is therefore happening with our defence? We started our last season in the prem with our only option at RB being a centre-forward - Bizarre doesn't cover it and we have never recovered in my opinion I fully expect us to bring in a 1st choice keeper. No idea whether a LB will be on the agenda. We have one contracted and 2 RB's and Thommo have had a go at it in his absence. We're slightly over stocked at RB and light at LB. CB again who knows, we aren't that short of numbers now I'm happy enough with a Wilmot McNally partnership when they're both available. You can't make contracted players disappear. Personally think a CF is absolutely vital, it's 6 months before we can get Wesley and Gayle off the wagebill we are going to have to find a way to bridge that gap and pay a striker we shouldn't be so desperately in need of given our outlay on the position.
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Post by blackpoolred on Dec 18, 2023 22:32:28 GMT
Yes, but do we have a viable keeper, left-sided defender, we started the season with just 3 central defenders - nobody really great/dominant in the air. A lot of the goals we conceded in the 2nd half of last season, pre-season and this year has been through not being able to cope with a simple cross. I agree we have a lack of talent up front, but you have to start at the back and build. We have had a number of managers here who have stated you need 2 competitive players for every position including AN - what is therefore happening with our defence? We started our last season in the prem with our only option at RB being a centre-forward - Bizarre doesn't cover it and we have never recovered in my opinion I fully expect us to bring in a 1st choice keeper. No idea whether a LB will be on the agenda. We have one contracted and 2 RB's and Thommo have had a go at it in his absence. We're slightly over stocked at RB and light at LB. CB again who knows, we aren't that short of numbers now I'm happy enough with a Wilmot McNally partnership when they're both available. You can't make contracted players disappear. Personally think a CF is absolutely vital, it's 6 months before we can get Wesley and Gayle off the wagebill we are going to have to find a way to bridge that gap and pay a striker we shouldn't be so desperately in need of given our outlay on the position. No offence, but I hope the club are not thinking the same, we possibly have one viable LB in our squad and he is in his mid thirties and 2 years past his sell by date according to Sheff U fans, so we have to be looking at improving in that area and having competition for places if we genuinely want to be a top half team - if we are happy for a midfielder to play at LB and just say he can do a job if needs be then how does that move us forward. Clark was a free agent and there is a reason for that, we need to off-load, which then leaves us with just 3 central defenders on our books, one is injury prone - again we need to be aiming for 4 or 5 competitive central defenders on our books at all times and we need a real 6ft 6in rottweiler if we want to move forward, agreed that McNally and Wilmot might be a decent partnership though - it's a competitive/physical league where we are playing 2 games a week, we can't be in a position if 1 defender gets injured we are playing a square peg, or just relying on playing a back 4 with the same 2 central defenders for 46 games - I would over stock in central defence and maybe use excess players to fill in at RB/LB if we pick up injuries there - 3 is pathetic number to have in your squad in this league and it was just 2 after the last Jan window(one of those being a 40 year old) - bizarre for me We do need a striker and some guile and creativity up front. Important window for me - and if we don't improve the balance and quality of the squad we could be in a poor position
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Post by baconburger on Dec 19, 2023 8:55:53 GMT
I fully expect us to bring in a 1st choice keeper. No idea whether a LB will be on the agenda. We have one contracted and 2 RB's and Thommo have had a go at it in his absence. We're slightly over stocked at RB and light at LB. CB again who knows, we aren't that short of numbers now I'm happy enough with a Wilmot McNally partnership when they're both available. You can't make contracted players disappear. Personally think a CF is absolutely vital, it's 6 months before we can get Wesley and Gayle off the wagebill we are going to have to find a way to bridge that gap and pay a striker we shouldn't be so desperately in need of given our outlay on the position. No offence, but I hope the club are not thinking the same, we possibly have one viable LB in our squad and he is in his mid thirties and 2 years past his sell by date according to Sheff U fans, so we have to be looking at improving in that area and having competition for places if we genuinely want to be a top half team - if we are happy for a midfielder to play at LB and just say he can do a job if needs be then how does that move us forward. Clark was a free agent and there is a reason for that, we need to off-load, which then leaves us with just 3 central defenders on our books, one is injury prone - again we need to be aiming for 4 or 5 competitive central defenders on our books at all times and we need a real 6ft 6in rottweiler if we want to move forward, agreed that McNally and Wilmot might be a decent partnership though - it's a competitive/physical league where we are playing 2 games a week, we can't be in a position if 1 defender gets injured we are playing a square peg, or just relying on playing a back 4 with the same 2 central defenders for 46 games - I would over stock in central defence and maybe use excess players to fill in at RB/LB if we pick up injuries there - 3 is pathetic number to have in your squad in this league and it was just 2 after the last Jan window(one of those being a 40 year old) - bizarre for me We do need a striker and some guile and creativity up front. Important window for me - and if we don't improve the balance and quality of the squad we could be in a poor position Sorry but that’s just fantasy stuff. Unloading of players we don’t really want just isn’t happening until their contracts expire and we can’t just sign players like those we have under contract don’t exist. Clarke won’t be going anywhere he’s screwed us for his last payday and we’re just going to have to suk it up, just like Gayle and Wesley and even Stevens to an extent. We can assume there is a wage there for a keeper because we were paying Travers. We really need a CF and were bidding for BTA on deadline day so we can assume we have a wage available there. The wage we had for other CB’s we were chasing we’ve given to Clarke. We might be able to move players out or return loans to make room to do more but it won’t be any of the real millstones we’ve lumbered ourselves with the only way we’re getting rid of them is when their contracts end mainly in the Summer.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 19, 2023 12:00:31 GMT
Another short and sweet spell at the club for Paul I suppose that’s the life of a coach/assistant when the manager gets the sack
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 19, 2023 12:16:23 GMT
Crouch- do you think he will not stay under Schumacher?.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 19, 2023 12:17:14 GMT
Crouch- do you think he will not stay under Schumacher?. No mate
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 19, 2023 12:19:30 GMT
So a complete backroom overhaul again?..
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