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Post by theonlooker on Dec 16, 2023 10:33:11 GMT
Quite nice to hear a clear and honest answer with regards to the fitness of Johnson and Burger, as opposed to the lairy, 'will he, won't he?' piss we were greeted with from Neil every week.
Thanks Gally. It isn't hard, Alex and it did you no good in the end did it?
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Dec 16, 2023 10:36:13 GMT
Feels good not having a game today.
At the start of the season I was really looking forward to matches, even when form wasn't great but at the moment they're a real chore.
Feels like I've wasted far too much time on watching them.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 16, 2023 10:43:05 GMT
Could really do with not losing this one but if we play like we did on Tuesday then we probably will.
Simkin
Tchamadeu McNally Rose Gooch
Laurent Thompson Johnson
Bae
Wesley Mmaee
Possibly?
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Dec 16, 2023 11:03:41 GMT
So much going on in the background will the players really be up for this. West brom are steadily building up a shot at the play offs an early goal which I can see happening & we will cave in. Baggies 4-0 or even more.
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Post by swampySCFC on Dec 16, 2023 11:08:08 GMT
Suspect it could be our biggest defeat against them for many years
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 16, 2023 11:22:41 GMT
Well Bonham isnt,thats for sure. On the basis of picking someone because they are not someone else is stupid. Bonham dropped an awful clanger last night and is not the long term answer. However we have seen him have good games and Simkin was on loan in non league football for a reason. Because he's young and needed experience, given the position we're in we could give him much better experience while also not playing a liability.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 16, 2023 11:37:24 GMT
He’s ur best forward low bar i know but we have more chance of scoring when he plays and it improvised Mmaee who despite waht Jared might think in his fantasy world is no centre forward I agree about Mmaee but Campbell is a one good game in six player with an inflated opinion of his own ability, he is not the present or the future for us. 29 goals in 130 odd games for us. He's very ordinary. And the fact he's probably our best striker makes me understand why we don't score many goals.
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Post by idle on Dec 16, 2023 11:47:03 GMT
I agree about Mmaee but Campbell is a one good game in six player with an inflated opinion of his own ability, he is not the present or the future for us. 29 goals in 130 odd games for us. He's very ordinary. And the fact he's probably our best striker makes me understand why we don't score many goals. 29 in 130 is more than 1 in 5 though, and considering some of the shite he's played with over the last six years I'm surprised his ratio wasn't way worse Edit: Looking deeper, he's played 7044 minutes of championship football over 129 games, scoring 29 goals and assisting 15. So that's 1 goal every 243 minutes, or 1 goal every 2.7 games. If you include assists, that's 1 goal or assist every 160 minutes. Not too shabby IMO
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 16, 2023 12:44:42 GMT
A lot of predictions on YouTube have us losing heavily,if he picks a side in the hope of getting a draw,they could be right,we have to go and play on the front foot,if we lose 3-2,4-3 fare enough. Better than coming away with a heavy defeat.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 16, 2023 12:45:34 GMT
29 goals in 130 odd games for us. He's very ordinary. And the fact he's probably our best striker makes me understand why we don't score many goals. 29 in 130 is more than 1 in 5 though, and considering some of the shite he's played with over the last six years I'm surprised his ratio wasn't way worse Edit: Looking deeper, he's played 7044 minutes of championship football over 129 games, scoring 29 goals and assisting 15. So that's 1 goal every 243 minutes, or 1 goal every 2.7 games. If you include assists, that's 1 goal or assist every 160 minutes. Not too shabby IMO For a headline striker its very bland in my opinion and explains a lot about where we are as a club. Although I'll go with the arguement that he's surrounded by plenty of other ordinary players so could do better in a better team. Steino scored 71 goals in 131 games.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 16, 2023 12:46:11 GMT
Bonham should not be playing.
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Post by pavel on Dec 16, 2023 12:54:39 GMT
Pearson suspended, Burger doubtful. Should be an interesting midfield. Looking like it will still be Gallagher, I think he'll go defensive. Bonham Hoever McNally Rose Tchamadeu Laurent Thompson Johnson Gooch Vidigal Mmaee 3-0 West Brom EDITED: Laurent not suspended. Well considering he went defensive at home to lowly Swansea I think it will be ultra defensive away to high flying West Brom, I'm not expecting a pretty side or display more of a grim grind.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 16, 2023 12:55:37 GMT
Bonham should not be playing. Bit of a Hobsons Choice unfortunately. Bonham or an 18 year old in goal. Toss of a coin. To try and put a positive spin on it they both have the potential to improve a lot as they're both young. Edit. Just realised Bonham is 30
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Post by insect on Dec 16, 2023 12:59:59 GMT
Didn’t we used to get 2,800 tickets for this fixture as apposed to the just over 2,000 this time !?
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Post by StokieNath on Dec 16, 2023 13:06:17 GMT
Didn’t we used to get 2,800 tickets for this fixture as apposed to the just over 2,000 this time !? I’m almost sure it’s due to WMP reducing away allocations.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 16, 2023 13:10:09 GMT
Pearson suspended, Burger doubtful. Should be an interesting midfield. Looking like it will still be Gallagher, I think he'll go defensive. Bonham Hoever McNally Rose Tchamadeu Laurent Thompson Johnson Gooch Vidigal Mmaee 3-0 West Brom EDITED: Laurent not suspended. Well considering he went defensive at home to lowly Swansea I think it will be ultra defensive away to high flying West Brom, I'm not expecting a pretty side or display more of a grim grind. I thought tactically he got it right on Tuesday, the issue was we didn't put the game to bed.....
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Post by pavel on Dec 16, 2023 13:18:02 GMT
Well considering he went defensive at home to lowly Swansea I think it will be ultra defensive away to high flying West Brom, I'm not expecting a pretty side or display more of a grim grind. I thought tactically he got it right on Tuesday, the issue was we didn't put the game to bed..... The issue for me was there were no/few goals in the team, he just needed more up front and be less cautious in that area. Not really knocking him, caretaker managers are always on a hiding to nothing.
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Post by jokker on Dec 16, 2023 13:29:37 GMT
I agree about Mmaee but Campbell is a one good game in six player with an inflated opinion of his own ability, he is not the present or the future for us. 29 goals in 130 odd games for us. He's very ordinary. And the fact he's probably our best striker makes me understand why we don't score many goals. If he'd been played as an orthodox striker and had a tally like that, then perhaps yous might have a point. But the fact is that he's played no more than a handful of games up front. Most games he's been played on the wing, more as a provider than as a target man, and he's also had numerous games as a late sub. I too wish he had scored more goals, but it isn't always the men up front who are entirely at fault. The service from midfield has been extremely poor at too many times. I don't think he started out as an ordinary player, quite the contrary. He caused a great deal of fear for defenders with his electrifying pace and skill on the ball and his partnerships with Fletcher and Powell helped him a lot. But his injuries - and theirs - and weight problems has seen him struggle to maintain consistency. Being in and out the team under Neil also didn't help. But the bottom line is he should have scored more often.
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Post by idle on Dec 16, 2023 13:33:58 GMT
29 in 130 is more than 1 in 5 though, and considering some of the shite he's played with over the last six years I'm surprised his ratio wasn't way worse Edit: Looking deeper, he's played 7044 minutes of championship football over 129 games, scoring 29 goals and assisting 15. So that's 1 goal every 243 minutes, or 1 goal every 2.7 games. If you include assists, that's 1 goal or assist every 160 minutes. Not too shabby IMO For a headline striker its very bland in my opinion and explains a lot about where we are as a club. Although I'll go with the arguement that he's surrounded by plenty of other ordinary players so could do better in a better team. Steino scored 71 goals in 131 games. Not really disagreeing, but Steino played in another time and is regarded as one of the best strikers we've ever had. Campbell hasn't been good since his fateful injury in 2020, but the potential is still there if played alongside a decent striker. Still think we won't renew his contract, so we won't find out.
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Post by jokker on Dec 16, 2023 13:35:29 GMT
Bonham should not be playing. Bit of a Hobsons Choice unfortunately. Bonham or an 18 year old in goal. Toss of a coin. To try and put a positive spin on it they both have the potential to improve a lot as they're both young. Edit. Just realised Bonham is 30 Being a goalie that probably means he has his best years ahead of him...
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Post by thegrassyknoll on Dec 16, 2023 14:02:50 GMT
So much going on in the background will the players really be up for this. West brom are steadily building up a shot at the play offs an early goal which I can see happening & we will cave in. Baggies 4-0 or even more. Just a quick Albion perspective......
WBA are teetering on the brink of a major implosion, that could mean this is the last WBA/Stoke game for some time (if things go really badly). The club has been forced to take out £40,000,000 of dodgy loans to keep the club afloat, and if a new owner is not found very soon there could be a January fire sale of player assets. With that threatening scenario in the background, the job that Corberan is doing with a depleted squad is remarkable. He has one fit senior forward - missing Maja (out for 4 months), Phillips (hamstring injury which means he may have played his last WBA game), Dike (out forever!) You may see an unfit Wallace playing in a striker role, or Asante ploughing a lonely furrow.
Every match seems to throw up more injuries, so I expect more calamities tomorrow.
The thought of a 4-0 Albion win is pie in the sky imo.
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 16, 2023 14:10:52 GMT
No idea how he’ll set up, but this is what I’d run with:
Bonham
Junior Rose McNally Stevens/Thompson
Baker Thompson/Sidibe
Gooch Bae Vidigal
Wesley
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Post by neddy on Dec 16, 2023 14:11:53 GMT
No idea how he’ll set up, but this is what I’d run with: Bonham Junior Rose McNally Stevens/Thompson Baker Thompson/Sidibe Gooch Bae Vidigal Wesley No Laurent or Burger
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 16, 2023 14:13:34 GMT
29 goals in 130 odd games for us. He's very ordinary. And the fact he's probably our best striker makes me understand why we don't score many goals. 29 in 130 is more than 1 in 5 though, and considering some of the shite he's played with over the last six years I'm surprised his ratio wasn't way worse Edit: Looking deeper, he's played 7044 minutes of championship football over 129 games, scoring 29 goals and assisting 15. So that's 1 goal every 243 minutes, or 1 goal every 2.7 games. If you include assists, that's 1 goal or assist every 160 minutes. Not too shabby IMO The goals per minutes mean nothing as he’s rarely an “impact sub”. The reason he gets taken off after 60 mins so often is because he’s usually knackered and useless by then.
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 16, 2023 14:15:49 GMT
No idea how he’ll set up, but this is what I’d run with: Bonham Junior Rose McNally Stevens/Thompson Baker Thompson/Sidibe Gooch Bae Vidigal Wesley No Laurent or Burger I didn’t know if Burger was fit or not. I would play Baker over any of them though. We can’t score goals and he can. Wouldn’t be upset if it was Burger alongside Baker, with Burger playing the deeper role. I don’t like Laurent.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 16, 2023 14:56:27 GMT
For a headline striker its very bland in my opinion and explains a lot about where we are as a club. Although I'll go with the arguement that he's surrounded by plenty of other ordinary players so could do better in a better team. Steino scored 71 goals in 131 games. Not really disagreeing, but Steino played in another time and is regarded as one of the best strikers we've ever had. Campbell hasn't been good since his fateful injury in 2020, but the potential is still there if played alongside a decent striker. Still think we won't renew his contract, so we won't find out. Campbell needs a Fletcher like striker along side of him,that's when he was scoring nearly every week.
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Post by vidigal7 on Dec 16, 2023 15:15:28 GMT
I think a 442 could be half decent with the players we've got but for a left winger as I'd try Vidigal CF alongside a Target.
As in
Bonham
Tchamadeu McNally Rose Stevens/Thompson
Leris Pearson Burger Bae
Wes Vidigal
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Dec 16, 2023 15:31:10 GMT
Isn’t Pearson suspended?
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Post by Scrotnig on Dec 16, 2023 15:40:49 GMT
Feels good not having a game today. At the start of the season I was really looking forward to matches, even when form wasn't great but at the moment they're a real chore. Feels like I've wasted far too much time on watching them. I’ve shamefully got to the point where I just don’t really give much of a shit now. Who plays, who doesn’t, etc etc. I always want us to win and I hope we don’t get relegated but any passion I had for the club and the game has been mostly eaten away now by these endless repeated years of being shit, shit, shit, shit, shit and then more shit. Changing managers hasn’t fixed it, changing almost all the players hasn’t fixed it, I just don’t know what will any more and in fact chances are nothing will now. We’re a club stuck in an era long gone.
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Post by Veritas on Dec 16, 2023 16:07:15 GMT
On the basis of picking someone because they are not someone else is stupid. Bonham dropped an awful clanger last night and is not the long term answer. However we have seen him have good games and Simkin was on loan in non league football for a reason. He was selected for three different England age groups for another reason. Yes because he is a good prospect but to throw him into a struggling Championship side would be much too risky for both us and him.
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