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Post by jokker on Dec 7, 2023 12:39:59 GMT
The man was a talented footballer and has an alright record at managerial level. But he’s now unemployable. Oh he'll get another job when the dust has settled. Chairmen have very short memories, and if his managerial skills fit their profile, they'll hire him. Andy Gray was in a similar situation a while back when he was working as a pundit, said the wrong things, and he was sacked. And what does he do now? Works as a pundit.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 7, 2023 12:40:23 GMT
If anyone wants to understand Barton more, listen to his podcast with James England that came out last week. It’s 4 and a half hours long, but it’s an interesting listen. I don’t agree with most of what he says on there. His rewriting of history on incidents such as his brothers arrest for murder and him stubbing out a cigar into the eye of one of the younger players are laughable beyond belief.......
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 7, 2023 12:42:46 GMT
If anyone wants to understand Barton more, listen to his podcast with James England that came out last week. It’s 4 and a half hours long, but it’s an interesting listen. I don’t agree with most of what he says on there. His rewriting of history on incidents such as his brothers arrest for murder and him stubbing out a cigar into the eye of one of the younger players are laughable beyond belief....... Yeah - there does seem a lot of that going on. It’s clear he’s a very violent man.
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Post by datguy on Dec 7, 2023 12:43:45 GMT
The man was a talented footballer and has an alright record at managerial level. But he’s now unemployable. Oh he'll get another job when the dust has settled. Chairmen have very short memories, and if his managerial skills fit their profile, they'll hire him. Andy Gray was in a similar situation a while back when he was working as a pundit, said the wrong things, and he was sacked. And what does he do now? Works as a pundit. Andy Gray has a very plush job working for Bein Sports. No English broadcaster would go anywhere near him. The same goes for his perverted best mate.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2023 12:45:52 GMT
Laura Woods is excellent, this issue is when you start putting people like Alex Scott on whose truly awful. That said there are some shockers on the mens side too. Exactly! It's fair enough if they deserve the job but it's all just a box ticking exercise.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Dec 7, 2023 12:46:50 GMT
I'm pretty certain he just reads a thesaurus, finds a word he likes, and then spouts any old shite that allows him to use his new word.
This weeks word seems to be 'eunuch'.
I agree with some of what he says - there are plenty of women who get a gig despite being appalling at their job and offering nothing to the viewship who are often paying hundereds of pounds for the privilege.
This seems to be interspersed with some complete drivel. For thw record, there are a hell of a lot of men who should be nowhere near the position they'ye paid handsomely to do.
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 7, 2023 12:51:54 GMT
Do you think grown-up, adult men have stopped watching football because of women pundits? I know grown up, adult men switch over once the punditry kicks in. I'm sure you'll know a few too. I think the term is called discrimination, and in another word, sexism. Many old fashioned people are patriarchal and have known no difference. I think many female commentators are better than what we have on radio stoke to be honest.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2023 12:52:27 GMT
I’d honestly hoped he’d turned a corner with his coaching career, he’d developed the likes of Souttar and Elliott Anderson well and was hoping he’d basically be more use in football than outside of it. Then he does stupid shit like this. He can’t help but self sabotage. I actually don't think he is stupid, I think he is quite intelligent . He was certainly an intelligent footballer, which is how he ended up playing for man city , Newcastle united, olympic Marseille and Glasgow Rangers . As a manager he once went into a game with Bristol rovers , needing to win by seven clear goals to get promotion. And er , won by seven clear goals. If that's not impressive, I don't know what is . He will be absolutely crucified by the woke dominated media and certainly has no chance of getting a job with the BBC or Sky now . Probably no chance of a job in football. Perhaps like Keegan, he doesn't care what people think and is happy to give an honest opinion. In which case I wish there were more people like that, in and out of the game.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Dec 7, 2023 12:55:49 GMT
I think he's always loved the attention, whether good or bad he doesn't care as long as he gets it. It's a shame really as he was a good player and I think he would make a really good manager if he wasn't such a weapon.
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Post by vidigal7 on Dec 7, 2023 12:57:42 GMT
I don't do twitter but I'm getting the gist. He's saying women's pundits don't belong in mens football I take it.
I think a lot of people of a certain age and over recognise mens football as a male sport.
I must admit I don't have much time for women pundits either. Nothing against women but men's football is a mens game.
In saying that though, some of the fanny's that go down like they have been shot certainly belong to the fairer sex
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Post by Los Alfareros on Dec 7, 2023 12:57:52 GMT
My opinion on the matter for what it's worth, you either like the pundits or you don't regardless. Some of the women are great, some are dreadful. Some of the blokes are great, some are dreadful.
Then of course you have "to be fair" Clinton Morrison!! I have to have the remote in my hand with my thumb hovering over the mute button.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 7, 2023 12:58:58 GMT
The best part of him dripped down his mother's leg. Such a dickhead.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 7, 2023 12:59:59 GMT
I’d honestly hoped he’d turned a corner with his coaching career, he’d developed the likes of Souttar and Elliott Anderson well and was hoping he’d basically be more use in football than outside of it. Then he does stupid shit like this. He can’t help but self sabotage. I actually don't think he is stupid, I think he is quite intelligent . He was certainly an intelligent footballer, which is how he ended up playing for man city , Newcastle united, olympic Marseille and Glasgow Rangers . As a manager he once went into a game with Bristol rovers , needing to win by seven clear goals to get promotion. And er , won by seven clear goals. If that's not impressive, I don't know what is . He will be absolutely crucified by the woke dominated media and certainly has no chance of getting a job with the BBC or Sky now . Probably no chance of a job in football. Perhaps like Keegan, he doesn't care what people think and is happy to give an honest opinion. In which case I wish there were more people like that, in and out of the game. The trouble is, he's gone far beyond giving "an honest opinion" and has been tweeting just plainly dumb insults since his original point. About 5 of his tweets are pictures of Ken Dolls and references to "eunuch's" to salient points about successful people in football who have never played the game at any significant level. This isn't Gore Vidal we're on about here it's a guy struggling to back up his initial point by resulting to petty insults which is ironically what he is accusing "the wokes" of doing.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 7, 2023 13:05:15 GMT
Just made the exact same point, mate. It’s stupidity if we’re being kind. It’s sexist if we’re being honest. Its 100% sexist but its there and won't go away. The womens game has made huge strides but will it reach the audiences of the mens game? not a chance. How is whether or not the women's game reach the same level of audiences as the men's game in ANY WAY relevant at all to this thread? Why even bring that up when it has nothing to do with the thread? Utterly bizarre and completely irrelevant post. "It's there and it won't go away"....you're right it won't whilst there are people like you around who decide to make completely irrelevant points purely to undermine the women's game.
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Post by femark on Dec 7, 2023 13:06:51 GMT
People go on about the quality of women's commentary but forget that the majority of men in the game come out with some absolute rubbish. Some examples:
“When you are 4-0 up you should never lose 7-1.” – Lawrie McMenemy
“Sandro’s holding his face. You can tell from that it’s a knee injury.” – Dion Dublin
“Frank Lampard still has the same legs he had five years ago.” – Ray Wilkins
“We must have had 99 percent of the game. It was the other three percent that cost us the match.” – Ruud Gullit
“I’m 30 now, but back when I was 19…that’s seven years ago.” – Lee Bowyer
“I don’t believe in superstitions. I just do certain things because I’m scared in case something will happen if I don’t do them.” – Michael Owen
“Well, Clive, it’s all about the two M’s—movement and positioning.” – Ron Atkinson
“I’ve had 14 bookings this season—eight of which were my fault, but seven of which were disputable.” – Paul Gascoigne
“They’re the second-best team in the world, and there’s no higher praise than that.” – Kevin Keegan
“One accusation you can’t throw at me is that I’ve always done my best.” – Alan Shearer
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 7, 2023 13:09:16 GMT
My opinion on the matter for what it's worth, you either like the pundits or you don't regardless. Some of the women are great, some are dreadful. Some of the blokes are great, some are dreadful. Then of course you have "to be fair" Clinton Morrison!! I have to have the remote in my hand with my thumb hovering over the mute button. I don't mind Clinton. Pleasantly annoying is how I find him. Agree with your other comments though. Some female pundits are very good and know far more about the game than I do. But I do find some of the female commentators hard work though as they seem to deepen their voice a lot which is just odd. Maybe its the pressure to appear manly in a male dominated area?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2023 13:15:50 GMT
I actually don't think he is stupid, I think he is quite intelligent . He was certainly an intelligent footballer, which is how he ended up playing for man city , Newcastle united, olympic Marseille and Glasgow Rangers . As a manager he once went into a game with Bristol rovers , needing to win by seven clear goals to get promotion. And er , won by seven clear goals. If that's not impressive, I don't know what is . He will be absolutely crucified by the woke dominated media and certainly has no chance of getting a job with the BBC or Sky now . Probably no chance of a job in football. Perhaps like Keegan, he doesn't care what people think and is happy to give an honest opinion. In which case I wish there were more people like that, in and out of the game. The trouble is, he's gone far beyond giving "an honest opinion" and has been tweeting just plainly dumb insults since his original point. About 5 of his tweets are pictures of Ken Dolls and references to "eunuch's" to salient points about successful people in football who have never played the game at any significant level. This isn't Gore Vidal we're on about here it's a guy struggling to back up his initial point by resulting to petty insults which is ironically what he is accusing "the wokes" of doing. Yep , he's not going to back down. He never backed down on a football pitch and he's not going to back down on social media. He will be enjoying this. He knows he will be infuriating people who consider themselves ' woke ' , ' right on ' , ' politically correct ' etc and he couldn't care less . My point of view is I agree with his right to not be woke and politically correct. Good for him. Even to the point of talking bollox, it is just a refreshing change to see someone willing to give an honest opinion. I respect him for that.
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Post by datguy on Dec 7, 2023 13:18:15 GMT
The trouble is, he's gone far beyond giving "an honest opinion" and has been tweeting just plainly dumb insults since his original point. About 5 of his tweets are pictures of Ken Dolls and references to "eunuch's" to salient points about successful people in football who have never played the game at any significant level. This isn't Gore Vidal we're on about here it's a guy struggling to back up his initial point by resulting to petty insults which is ironically what he is accusing "the wokes" of doing. Yep , he's not going to back down. He never backed down on a football pitch and he's not going to back down on social media. He will be enjoying this. He knows he will be infuriating people who consider themselves ' woke ' , ' right on ' , ' politically correct ' etc and he couldn't care less . My point of view is I agree with his right to not be woke and politically correct. Good for him. Even to the point of talking bollox, it is just a refreshing change to see someone willing to give an honest opinion. I respect him for that. Just what on earth are you talking about?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 7, 2023 13:34:13 GMT
The trouble is, he's gone far beyond giving "an honest opinion" and has been tweeting just plainly dumb insults since his original point. About 5 of his tweets are pictures of Ken Dolls and references to "eunuch's" to salient points about successful people in football who have never played the game at any significant level. This isn't Gore Vidal we're on about here it's a guy struggling to back up his initial point by resulting to petty insults which is ironically what he is accusing "the wokes" of doing. Yep , he's not going to back down. He never backed down on a football pitch and he's not going to back down on social media. He will be enjoying this. He knows he will be infuriating people who consider themselves ' woke ' , ' right on ' , ' politically correct ' etc and he couldn't care less . My point of view is I agree with his right to not be woke and politically correct. Good for him. Even to the point of talking bollox, it is just a refreshing change to see someone willing to give an honest opinion. I respect him for that. If he's not going to defend himself seriously, he can't complain when he isn't taken seriously. However "honest" his intentions may be.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2023 13:38:37 GMT
Yep , he's not going to back down. He never backed down on a football pitch and he's not going to back down on social media. He will be enjoying this. He knows he will be infuriating people who consider themselves ' woke ' , ' right on ' , ' politically correct ' etc and he couldn't care less . My point of view is I agree with his right to not be woke and politically correct. Good for him. Even to the point of talking bollox, it is just a refreshing change to see someone willing to give an honest opinion. I respect him for that. Just what on earth are you talking about? It's pretty obvious.
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 7, 2023 13:39:38 GMT
What a load of sexist bollocks, from what I've seen the female commentators are capable of talking just as much shit as any of the blokes
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2023 13:49:08 GMT
Yep , he's not going to back down. He never backed down on a football pitch and he's not going to back down on social media. He will be enjoying this. He knows he will be infuriating people who consider themselves ' woke ' , ' right on ' , ' politically correct ' etc and he couldn't care less . My point of view is I agree with his right to not be woke and politically correct. Good for him. Even to the point of talking bollox, it is just a refreshing change to see someone willing to give an honest opinion. I respect him for that. Just what on earth are you talking about? I think he’s applauding the fact that someone is giving an opinion even though they’re wrong and out of touch, rather than being afraid to give the opinion. Given that this is a point that’s silencing and hurtful to some it’s bizarre. Maybe it’s because women’s football is still a punchline for many men - I imagine if Barton came out and denied the holocaust that Kingsman wouldn’t respect the opinion on that front.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 7, 2023 13:59:51 GMT
Just what on earth are you talking about? I think he’s applauding the fact that someone is giving an opinion even though they’re wrong and out of touch, rather than being afraid to give the opinion. Given that this is a point that’s silencing and hurtful to some it’s bizarre. Maybe it’s because women’s football is still a punchline for many men - I imagine if Barton came out and denied the holocaust that Kingsman wouldn’t respect the opinion on that front. No, he's also implying that if you disagree with Barton then it's not your honest opinion, you're just doing it because you consider yourself "woke" or "right on". I disagree with Barton and it IS my honest opinion and I don't think of myself as woke or right on. I simply consider myself to not be a dinosaur with views that came from the 1920s, but there you go.
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Post by Los Alfareros on Dec 7, 2023 14:04:21 GMT
There is that annoying SKY reporter woman with the squeeky American voice which is truly offensive, but then you can just look at her tits.
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Post by TinkerT on Dec 7, 2023 14:13:36 GMT
Thing is though he's right isn't he, non of them actually sound like a commentator, it's just box ticking woke bollocks. Fair play to him actually having the bollocks to stand up and actually say something cause everyone is scared with the way the woke brigade are these days.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Dec 7, 2023 14:17:26 GMT
Thing is though he's right isn't he, non of them actually sound like a commentator, it's just box ticking woke bollocks. Fair play to him actually having the bollocks to stand up and actually say something cause everyone is scared with the way the woke brigade are these days. Be careful speaking your mind mate, some of these lads are on their period.
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Post by hoppo96 on Dec 7, 2023 14:18:50 GMT
Anybody who struggles with watching football coverage because there's a woman on there has a problem with themselves, and they need to sort it out. Are they really that petty and insecure about a member of the opposite sex talking about their thing?
If Barton was a good enough manager (he's a decent one at FL level) to manage in the top flight he doesn't come out with this stuff. The fact is he is a bad man, who does bad things, who has family members who do even badder things. Usually he can hide it occasionally, but more often than not he can't.
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Post by devondumpling on Dec 7, 2023 14:21:41 GMT
He'll be on GB News before the week's out. A very obvious grift after realising that no other football club will touch him with a barge pole....................... You obviously do not like GB news, but doubt they would entertain Barton on a programme, and no need to keep pushing your political views. There is another board specifically for that which I am sure you are aware. For the record I do not agree with Barton's contentions currently being discussed.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Dec 7, 2023 14:21:52 GMT
Football pundits and presenters have been shit since Des Lynam retired! 😁
I guess it's all a matter of personal opinion. Soccer Saturday became too boys clubbish, the BBC male presenters are terrible and similar to Soccer Saturday, they've been there too long, Shearer, Lineker,et al. I do like Alex Scott, can't stand 'Carra' and it's a disgrace he's still there after the spitting incident!
But the old argument you can't have an opinion if you've not played at a certain level is bollocks, Jose Mourinho? Anyone on here could go on TV and give the same cliched opinions the pros do! Anyone who's played the game at any level will know we all talk the same bollocks after a game! 😂
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Post by hoppo96 on Dec 7, 2023 14:27:26 GMT
Thing is though he's right isn't he, non of them actually sound like a commentator, it's just box ticking woke bollocks. Fair play to him actually having the bollocks to stand up and actually say something cause everyone is scared with the way the woke brigade are these days. was this written by AI?
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