erasureboy
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Post by erasureboy on Dec 6, 2023 11:02:11 GMT
With our manager choices since Hughes being, Alex Neil 28 Aug, 2022 Present
Dean Holden 26 Aug, 2022 27 Aug, 2022
Michael O'Neill 08 Nov, 2019 25 Aug, 2022
Rory Delap 01 Nov, 2019 08 Nov, 2019
Nathan Jones 09 Jan, 2019 01 Nov, 2019
Rory Delap 08 Jan, 2019 09 Jan, 2019
Gary Rowett 22 May, 2018 08 Jan, 2019
Paul Lambert 15 Jan, 2018 18 May, 2018
Eddie Niedzwiecki 08 Jan, 2018 15 Jan, 2018
All accept arguably MON failing to succeed at stoke and Rowett, Jones, Neil all having successful times at other clubs can we really keep blaming the managers? The "logical" next people to blame is the club owners but we don't really have a leg to stand on when it comes to blaming them because they have backed us with money on many occasions and do lots of positive things away from the pitch than you find at other clubs, also when you look at other clubs around us who have sold up and gone foreign with there owners it seems so unsuccessful throughout that it would make sense that it would go incredibly wrong for us. Then that only really leaves the players to blame but so many groups of players have come through since we went down and they have all been as bad as each other, we have seen full British squads, foreign players, 3 at the back, 5 at the back, wingers, big strikers, fast forwards and nathan jones's bloody diamond and nothing has seemed to work and now we are back where we were from the back end of Mon's Reign where every home game is negative from the start. And as i have been to pretty much every home game since we went down i can only think of a handful of times where we have had anything near a good atmosphere like the old days and probably one in the last year and that was leeds when the club put on a show and got everyone excited before the game. At some point i think we have to look at ourselves rather than pointing fingers everywhere the second things start to look ugly, from this AN squad we have seen glimpses of what they can do and we have seen first hand what AN can do to clubs from when he came here with Sunderland. The home atmosphere since that leeds game has been awful, for instance we have seen tye come back who quite clearly on his day is our best player by miles and he has just come back from an injury and is warming up down the side of the pitch and he's being booed and shouted at, then behind the scenes he's probably got someone trying to get him t sign a new deal every day so we don't lose one of our longest servers and highest scores since we went down on a free. why on earth would he want to stay here and have this every week. As "supporters" i think we can do more to positively effect this season without having to change managers and go back to where we started. when you see clubs who have fallen down the league's and then comeback there's a common denominator that the fans stick with them and eventually things will come good. i know its all good saying this, but then at what point is enough enough with AN. and i think that we can see what he does with a small pot of money in January to tweak the squad as this season will not have gone as expected and then come march if we are still here then obviously we need to look at possible options if he is to go, but i don't think there's anyone that we could quickly snap in now that will save our season. AN has been financially backed and has shown he has what it takes and where we are now under AN surely cant last forever
Lets get behind the lads on Saturday and cross our fingers for a few points before Christmas and then a Jarred Dublin masterclass in Jan
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Post by cheadlepotter on Dec 6, 2023 11:28:29 GMT
With our manager choices since Hughes being, Alex Neil 28 Aug, 2022 Present Dean Holden 26 Aug, 2022 27 Aug, 2022 Michael O'Neill 08 Nov, 2019 25 Aug, 2022 Rory Delap 01 Nov, 2019 08 Nov, 2019 Nathan Jones 09 Jan, 2019 01 Nov, 2019 Rory Delap 08 Jan, 2019 09 Jan, 2019 Gary Rowett 22 May, 2018 08 Jan, 2019 Paul Lambert 15 Jan, 2018 18 May, 2018 Eddie Niedzwiecki 08 Jan, 2018 15 Jan, 2018 All accept arguably MON failing to succeed at stoke and Rowett, Jones, Neil all having successful times at other clubs can we really keep blaming the managers? The "logical" next people to blame is the club owners but we don't really have a leg to stand on when it comes to blaming them because they have backed us with money on many occasions and do lots of positive things away from the pitch than you find at other clubs, also when you look at other clubs around us who have sold up and gone foreign with there owners it seems so unsuccessful throughout that it would make sense that it would go incredibly wrong for us. Then that only really leaves the players to blame but so many groups of players have come through since we went down and they have all been as bad as each other, we have seen full British squads, foreign players, 3 at the back, 5 at the back, wingers, big strikers, fast forwards and nathan jones's bloody diamond and nothing has seemed to work and now we are back where we were from the back end of Mon's Reign where every home game is negative from the start. And as i have been to pretty much every home game since we went down i can only think of a handful of times where we have had anything near a good atmosphere like the old days and probably one in the last year and that was leeds when the club put on a show and got everyone excited before the game. At some point i think we have to look at ourselves rather than pointing fingers everywhere the second things start to look ugly, from this AN squad we have seen glimpses of what they can do and we have seen first hand what AN can do to clubs from when he came here with Sunderland. The home atmosphere since that leeds game has been awful, for instance we have seen tye come back who quite clearly on his day is our best player by miles and he has just come back from an injury and is warming up down the side of the pitch and he's being booed and shouted at, then behind the scenes he's probably got someone trying to get him t sign a new deal every day so we don't lose one of our longest servers and highest scores since we went down on a free. why on earth would he want to stay here and have this every week. As "supporters" i think we can do more to positively effect this season without having to change managers and go back to where we started. when you see clubs who have fallen down the league's and then comeback there's a common denominator that the fans stick with them and eventually things will come good. i know its all good saying this, but then at what point is enough enough with AN. and i think that we can see what he does with a small pot of money in January to tweak the squad as this season will not have gone as expected and then come march if we are still here then obviously we need to look at possible options if he is to go, but i don't think there's anyone that we could quickly snap in now that will save our season. AN has been financially backed and has shown he has what it takes and where we are now under AN surely cant last forever Lets get behind the lads on Saturday and cross our fingers for a few points before Christmas and then a Jarred Dublin masterclass in Jan When?
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Dec 6, 2023 11:29:44 GMT
The problem lies with the board appointing the wrong managers. They are responsible for hiring the manager. The managers are not the only ones at fault. The board have to take their share of responsibility for making bad manager choices in the first place
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Dec 6, 2023 11:30:43 GMT
Why include Eddie N, Rory and Holden in that list? It just skews the perspective on an already terrible situation.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 6, 2023 11:31:30 GMT
With our manager choices since Hughes being, Alex Neil 28 Aug, 2022 Present Dean Holden 26 Aug, 2022 27 Aug, 2022 Michael O'Neill 08 Nov, 2019 25 Aug, 2022 Rory Delap 01 Nov, 2019 08 Nov, 2019 Nathan Jones 09 Jan, 2019 01 Nov, 2019 Rory Delap 08 Jan, 2019 09 Jan, 2019 Gary Rowett 22 May, 2018 08 Jan, 2019 Paul Lambert 15 Jan, 2018 18 May, 2018 Eddie Niedzwiecki 08 Jan, 2018 15 Jan, 2018 All accept arguably MON failing to succeed at stoke and Rowett, Jones, Neil all having successful times at other clubs can we really keep blaming the managers? The "logical" next people to blame is the club owners but we don't really have a leg to stand on when it comes to blaming them because they have backed us with money on many occasions and do lots of positive things away from the pitch than you find at other clubs, also when you look at other clubs around us who have sold up and gone foreign with there owners it seems so unsuccessful throughout that it would make sense that it would go incredibly wrong for us. Then that only really leaves the players to blame but so many groups of players have come through since we went down and they have all been as bad as each other, we have seen full British squads, foreign players, 3 at the back, 5 at the back, wingers, big strikers, fast forwards and nathan jones's bloody diamond and nothing has seemed to work and now we are back where we were from the back end of Mon's Reign where every home game is negative from the start. And as i have been to pretty much every home game since we went down i can only think of a handful of times where we have had anything near a good atmosphere like the old days and probably one in the last year and that was leeds when the club put on a show and got everyone excited before the game. At some point i think we have to look at ourselves rather than pointing fingers everywhere the second things start to look ugly, from this AN squad we have seen glimpses of what they can do and we have seen first hand what AN can do to clubs from when he came here with Sunderland. The home atmosphere since that leeds game has been awful, for instance we have seen tye come back who quite clearly on his day is our best player by miles and he has just come back from an injury and is warming up down the side of the pitch and he's being booed and shouted at, then behind the scenes he's probably got someone trying to get him t sign a new deal every day so we don't lose one of our longest servers and highest scores since we went down on a free. why on earth would he want to stay here and have this every week. As "supporters" i think we can do more to positively effect this season without having to change managers and go back to where we started. when you see clubs who have fallen down the league's and then comeback there's a common denominator that the fans stick with them and eventually things will come good. i know its all good saying this, but then at what point is enough enough with AN. and i think that we can see what he does with a small pot of money in January to tweak the squad as this season will not have gone as expected and then come march if we are still here then obviously we need to look at possible options if he is to go, but i don't think there's anyone that we could quickly snap in now that will save our season. AN has been financially backed and has shown he has what it takes and where we are now under AN surely cant last forever Lets get behind the lads on Saturday and cross our fingers for a few points before Christmas and then a Jarred Dublin masterclass in Jan When? 2 x 5 match unbeaten runs. He can't wait to have Grandkids so he can tell them all about it around the fire on a cold winters day........
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erasureboy
Lads'n'Dads
Merry Christmas ya filthy animals
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Post by erasureboy on Dec 6, 2023 11:35:55 GMT
2 x 5 match unbeaten runs. He can't wait to have Grandkids so he can tell them all about it around the fire on a cold winters day........ he's shown on odd occasions at stoke but consistantly as Sunderland Preston and Norwich
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Dec 6, 2023 11:48:21 GMT
The problem lies with the board appointing the wrong managers. They are responsible for hiring the manager. The managers are not the only ones at fault. The board have to take their share of responsibility for making bad manager choices in the first place They were wrong in hidsight but at the time I think the majority were happy with Rowett (had a good reputation at Derby), Jones (up and coming name) and O neill (had worked wonders with NI). The one I was least thrilled about was Alex Neil.
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Post by flea79 on Dec 6, 2023 11:49:22 GMT
Dave Kitson
thread closed
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Dec 6, 2023 11:50:11 GMT
I have never been an Alex Neil fan and didnt want him
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Post by pushon on Dec 6, 2023 11:55:31 GMT
The problem lies with the board appointing the wrong managers. They are responsible for hiring the manager. The managers are not the only ones at fault. The board have to take their share of responsibility for making bad manager choices in the first place I'm a Bayern followers on this one. Why 'a bloke I met in the pub' should be the only identified advisor, I just don't understand.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 6, 2023 11:56:27 GMT
The stand in managers were what they were but there is a case to be made for all the permanent appointments. Why they have not been successful is something that we will probably never really be able to fathom but it certainly wasn’t anything to do with a lack of support from the ownership. Perhaps we haven’t really had the underlying structure correct but even that is a matter for debate. Just as there is no magic wand to provide success there is no glib explanation as to why things haven’t worked. Life is complicated !
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Post by mcw on Dec 6, 2023 11:57:48 GMT
"Lets get behind the lads on Saturday and cross our fingers for a few points before Christmas and then a Jarred Dublin masterclass in Jan"
Is the last part about the Jarred Dublin masterclass supposed to be ironic? The basic format for that is as follows: - Introduce some player you have never ever heard of and fawn over him, "he fits our profile and AN's profile and has shown he can do X, Y and Z". - Natty introduction video etc. - Player actually starts to get on the field and is nothing like as effective as Jarred has claimed he will be.
Rinse and repeat until possibly 1 out of 5 actually turns out to be what he said they would be. Take huge credit for that one player, forget about the rest...
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Post by cheadlepotter on Dec 6, 2023 12:37:15 GMT
2 x 5 match unbeaten runs. He can't wait to have Grandkids so he can tell them all about it around the fire on a cold winters day........ he's shown on odd occasions at stoke but consistantly as Sunderland Preston and Norwich Shown at Sunderland that he can get promoted with under half a season left and someone else’s players. Shown at Norwich that he can get promoted with under half a season left and someone else’s players, then get immediately relegated and sacked the following season. Shown at Preston that he’s an expert at existing in the bottom half of the Championship. Great stuff.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Dec 6, 2023 12:42:45 GMT
It must be the fans, we're the only constant! 😒😁
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 6, 2023 12:44:12 GMT
It has to be J Coates,from the moment his father handed him the reigns,we have steadily got worse.
He hasn't the faintest idea on how to run a football league club,he thinks just because he's got loads of money,he thinks he knows best,so won't for one moment think of getting people in who do know what they're doing.
His way of running Stoke City could be the downfall of the club.
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Post by march4 on Dec 6, 2023 12:59:46 GMT
The mistake was not sacking Hughes earlier and then when we did sack him we didn’t have a decent manager lined up to replace him.
In hindsight, Hughes might as well have stayed until the end of the season rather than appointing Lambert.
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Post by march4 on Dec 6, 2023 13:02:43 GMT
It has to be J Coates,from the moment his father handed him the reigns,we have steadily got worse. He hasn't the faintest idea on how to run a football league club,he thinks just because he's got loads of money,he thinks he knows best,so won't for one moment think of getting people in who do know what they're doing. His way of running Stoke City could be the downfall of the club. The vast majority have supported the appointments of Rowett, Jones, MON and AN. He has supported all of them to the hilt, spending record amounts for this division. He could have forced of each of them sooner, but patience is a virtue and often is the best option.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 6, 2023 13:10:22 GMT
It has to be J Coates,from the moment his father handed him the reigns,we have steadily got worse. He hasn't the faintest idea on how to run a football league club,he thinks just because he's got loads of money,he thinks he knows best,so won't for one moment think of getting people in who do know what they're doing. His way of running Stoke City could be the downfall of the club. The vast majority have supported the appointments of Rowett, Jones, MON and AN. He has supported all of them to the hilt, spending record amounts for this division. He could have forced of each of them sooner, but patience is a virtue and often is the best option. We're not good at recognising when a manager has lost the plot, too slow to get rid. Patience is OK IF you can see improvements, consistent styles of play, an ethos etc etc. The current fool has nothing to offer Stoke City whatsoever.
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Post by J-Roar on Dec 6, 2023 13:11:07 GMT
The mistake was not sacking Hughes earlier and then when we did sack him we didn’t have a decent manager lined up to replace him. In hindsight, Hughes might as well have stayed until the end of the season rather than appointing Lambert. And that is an absolutely shocking, unforgivable mistake. Succession planning is absolutely crucial when sacking someone. Otherwise you have a rudderless ship and potential candidates have you over a barrel or don't want to come. The farcical January was embarrassing - and ended up with 58th choice Paul Lambert given the role. The game was up the moment they were beguiled by a powerpoint slide show.
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Post by flea79 on Dec 6, 2023 13:13:59 GMT
The mistake was not sacking Hughes earlier and then when we did sack him we didn’t have a decent manager lined up to replace him. In hindsight, Hughes might as well have stayed until the end of the season rather than appointing Lambert. pretty much the single biggest error since the Butler Street Stand insurance fiasco was hiring Paul Lambert
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Post by etebojan on Dec 6, 2023 13:44:24 GMT
I may well be completely wrong with this take on things... but...
Coates Family and club have been brilliant at all the away from the pitch stuff, away busses, season tickets etc. They're also getting much better at all of the more modern stuff too Ricardos overhaul, Fan zone proposals, and all the big improvements to social media content.
Up until Neils tenure, they've failed to put a proper director of football in place with head of recruitment that reports into them, which has meant each time they've had to refresh the manager everything has been stripped out and they've had to start from scratch but also with legacy recruitment hangovers and the financial ties that come with them.
this has meant unbalanced teams, or just bad teams, lingering bad moral amongst players. Mangers hamstrung by FFP, previous managers recruitment not fitting their styles, there has been no continuity and no overarching vision.
In theory now if and when Alex Neil's bath has run cold, they don't have to throw the bath out with the bath water.
Ricky will still be in place and so will Jared.
'In theory' Ricky and Jared will help to hire a manager/coach who can work with the players they have recruited and will continue to recruit.
Hopefully this means whoever comes in will be able to get up and running quicker and get a tune out of the players, and add some of there own picked from Jareds list.
That is the theory and what JC alluded to when he was questioned at the talk to fans event.
I can completely understand the fans frustration... but theres certainly no need for personal attacks on players.
We will see if this continuity facilitates progress for Stoke over the next few seasons, whoever the manager happens to be.
***NOTE*** If Ricky & Jared however do end up getting bundled out with Alex Neil, then thats 100% on the Coates and would prove definitively that they don't have a plan, and don't know what they're doing on the pitch side of things. They should then ask John to step a side and put an experienced football head at the helm of the club
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Post by nott1 on Dec 6, 2023 14:20:54 GMT
he's shown on odd occasions at stoke but consistantly as Sunderland Preston and Norwich Shown at Sunderland that he can get promoted with under half a season left and someone else’s players. Shown at Norwich that he can get promoted with under half a season left and someone else’s players, then get immediately relegated and sacked the following season. Shown at Preston that he’s an expert at existing in the bottom half of the Championship. Great stuff. Shown at Stoke that he hasn't a clue!
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Post by jokker on Dec 6, 2023 14:59:40 GMT
With our manager choices since Hughes being, Alex Neil 28 Aug, 2022 Present Dean Holden 26 Aug, 2022 27 Aug, 2022 Michael O'Neill 08 Nov, 2019 25 Aug, 2022 Rory Delap 01 Nov, 2019 08 Nov, 2019 Nathan Jones 09 Jan, 2019 01 Nov, 2019 Rory Delap 08 Jan, 2019 09 Jan, 2019 Gary Rowett 22 May, 2018 08 Jan, 2019 Paul Lambert 15 Jan, 2018 18 May, 2018 Eddie Niedzwiecki 08 Jan, 2018 15 Jan, 2018 All accept arguably MON failing to succeed at stoke and Rowett, Jones, Neil all having successful times at other clubs can we really keep blaming the managers? I think we can blame the four main ones . Because all of them thought they had hit the jackpot when they joined Stoke and that it would only be a matter of a season before they would be managing in the PL, and then a bigger club would snatch them away from scfc. They eventually found out how badly they had misjudged their choices, and it did their heads in, in various ways for the respective persons. No need to discuss Jones, but Rowett thought he had been given the key to the bet365 money tanks and he could just spend, spend, and spend, reghardless of whether the players were worth the money, because there would be more money to spend ad infinitum. He worked himself into a corner and was soon on his way. O'Neill thought he could revolutionise the club from within and become our first director of football and a board director as well. He had probably the best youth sections since the 70s, but within O'Neill's two years they had all been moved on for alleged disciplinary reasons (talking about the club's own academy players like Verlinden, Edwards, Coates et al not the purchases of the teenaged Souttar and Collins) leaving us with Blondy and Sparrows as the sole remaining players of that crop, with no future in sight for them. I haven't paid that much attention to the faults of Neil, whom I dislike, but there seems to be one or two people currently on his case in the odd thread... They all behaved out of character, but some found their way back their old used to be, having learned from the experience in ST4, and were then relatively more successful.
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Post by march4 on Dec 6, 2023 15:34:13 GMT
I may well be completely wrong with this take on things... but... Coates Family and club have been brilliant at all the away from the pitch stuff, away busses, season tickets etc. They're also getting much better at all of the more modern stuff too Ricardos overhaul, Fan zone proposals, and all the big improvements to social media content. Up until Neils tenure, they've failed to put a proper director of football in place with head of recruitment that reports into them, which has meant each time they've had to refresh the manager everything has been stripped out and they've had to start from scratch but also with legacy recruitment hangovers and the financial ties that come with them. this has meant unbalanced teams, or just bad teams, lingering bad moral amongst players. Mangers hamstrung by FFP, previous managers recruitment not fitting their styles, there has been no continuity and no overarching vision. In theory now if and when Alex Neil's bath has run cold, they don't have to throw the bath out with the bath water. Ricky will still be in place and so will Jared. 'In theory' Ricky and Jared will help to hire a manager/coach who can work with the players they have recruited and will continue to recruit. Hopefully this means whoever comes in will be able to get up and running quicker and get a tune out of the players, and add some of there own picked from Jareds list. That is the theory and what JC alluded to when he was questioned at the talk to fans event. I can completely understand the fans frustration... but theres certainly no need for personal attacks on players. We will see if this continuity facilitates progress for Stoke over the next few seasons, whoever the manager happens to be. ***NOTE*** If Ricky & Jared however do end up getting bundled out with Alex Neil, then thats 100% on the Coates and would prove definitively that they don't have a plan, and don't know what they're doing on the pitch side of things. They should then ask John to step a side and put an experienced football head at the helm of the club It would be Ricky and Jared I would be putting under closer scrutiny not AN. The January transfer business led by AN was fine. However in the summer we spent money on players who are making little impact.
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Post by etebojan on Dec 6, 2023 15:39:23 GMT
I may well be completely wrong with this take on things... but... Coates Family and club have been brilliant at all the away from the pitch stuff, away busses, season tickets etc. They're also getting much better at all of the more modern stuff too Ricardos overhaul, Fan zone proposals, and all the big improvements to social media content. Up until Neils tenure, they've failed to put a proper director of football in place with head of recruitment that reports into them, which has meant each time they've had to refresh the manager everything has been stripped out and they've had to start from scratch but also with legacy recruitment hangovers and the financial ties that come with them. this has meant unbalanced teams, or just bad teams, lingering bad moral amongst players. Mangers hamstrung by FFP, previous managers recruitment not fitting their styles, there has been no continuity and no overarching vision. In theory now if and when Alex Neil's bath has run cold, they don't have to throw the bath out with the bath water. Ricky will still be in place and so will Jared. 'In theory' Ricky and Jared will help to hire a manager/coach who can work with the players they have recruited and will continue to recruit. Hopefully this means whoever comes in will be able to get up and running quicker and get a tune out of the players, and add some of there own picked from Jareds list. That is the theory and what JC alluded to when he was questioned at the talk to fans event. I can completely understand the fans frustration... but theres certainly no need for personal attacks on players. We will see if this continuity facilitates progress for Stoke over the next few seasons, whoever the manager happens to be. ***NOTE*** If Ricky & Jared however do end up getting bundled out with Alex Neil, then thats 100% on the Coates and would prove definitively that they don't have a plan, and don't know what they're doing on the pitch side of things. They should then ask John to step a side and put an experienced football head at the helm of the club It would be Ricky and Jared I would be putting under closer scrutiny not AN. The January transfer business led by AN was fine. However in the summer we spent money on players who are making little impact. You could spin it the other way i suppose, and say we've made some good signings but AN can't get the best out of them, and the signings he did make in January that we still have seem to be getting worse if anything, Hoever and Pearson especially
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Post by Miles Offside on Dec 6, 2023 17:20:58 GMT
The problem lies with the board appointing the wrong managers. They are responsible for hiring the manager. The managers are not the only ones at fault. The board have to take their share of responsibility for making bad manager choices in the first place Unless you can recruit Pep or Klopp all Boards make what turn out in retrospect to be bad managerial choices, whether they've got a DOF or not. The appointment of every manager and the signing of every player is a gamble. What matters is how the Board reacts. And ours has been too slow in sacking AN.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 6, 2023 18:09:13 GMT
I'd be happy to just get rid of Neil and keep Tricky and Jared for the time being.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 6, 2023 19:20:14 GMT
With our manager choices since Hughes being, Alex Neil 28 Aug, 2022 Present Dean Holden 26 Aug, 2022 27 Aug, 2022 Michael O'Neill 08 Nov, 2019 25 Aug, 2022 Rory Delap 01 Nov, 2019 08 Nov, 2019 Nathan Jones 09 Jan, 2019 01 Nov, 2019 Rory Delap 08 Jan, 2019 09 Jan, 2019 Gary Rowett 22 May, 2018 08 Jan, 2019 Paul Lambert 15 Jan, 2018 18 May, 2018 Eddie Niedzwiecki 08 Jan, 2018 15 Jan, 2018 All accept arguably MON failing to succeed at stoke and LambertRowett, Jones, Neil all having successful times at other clubs can we really keep blaming the managers? The "logical" next people to blame is the club owners but we don't really have a leg to stand on when it comes to blaming them because they have backed us with money on many occasions and do lots of positive things away from the pitch than you find at other clubs, also when you look at other clubs around us who have sold up and gone foreign with there owners it seems so unsuccessful throughout that it would make sense that it would go incredibly wrong for us. Then that only really leaves the players to blame but so many groups of players have come through since we went down and they have all been as bad as each other, we have seen full British squads, foreign players, 3 at the back, 5 at the back, wingers, big strikers, fast forwards and nathan jones's bloody diamond and nothing has seemed to work and now we are back where we were from the back end of Mon's Reign where every home game is negative from the start. And as i have been to pretty much every home game since we went down i can only think of a handful of times where we have had anything near a good atmosphere like the old days and probably one in the last year and that was leeds when the club put on a show and got everyone excited before the game. At some point i think we have to look at ourselves rather than pointing fingers everywhere the second things start to look ugly, from this AN squad we have seen glimpses of what they can do and we have seen first hand what AN can do to clubs from when he came here with Sunderland. The home atmosphere since that leeds game has been awful, for instance we have seen tye come back who quite clearly on his day is our best player by miles and he has just come back from an injury and is warming up down the side of the pitch and he's being booed and shouted at, then behind the scenes he's probably got someone trying to get him t sign a new deal every day so we don't lose one of our longest servers and highest scores since we went down on a free. why on earth would he want to stay here and have this every week. As "supporters" i think we can do more to positively effect this season without having to change managers and go back to where we started. when you see clubs who have fallen down the league's and then comeback there's a common denominator that the fans stick with them and eventually things will come good. i know its all good saying this, but then at what point is enough enough with AN. and i think that we can see what he does with a small pot of money in January to tweak the squad as this season will not have gone as expected and then come march if we are still here then obviously we need to look at possible options if he is to go, but i don't think there's anyone that we could quickly snap in now that will save our season. AN has been financially backed and has shown he has what it takes and where we are now under AN surely cant last forever Lets get behind the lads on Saturday and cross our fingers for a few points before Christmas and then a Jarred Dublin masterclass in Jan Added Paul Lambert to your list of successful times at other clubs. Having taken Wycombe to play offs then successive season promotion with Norwich from Div 1 to PL and arguably decent spell at Wolves. Always thought he was harshly treated on this board after trying to sort out the car crash that Hughes had left.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Dec 6, 2023 19:26:13 GMT
It still blows my mind that we employed Paul Lambert to try and get us out of that situation.
I absolutely shudder at the thought of him prowling the touchline in that shit Macron tracksuit.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 6, 2023 19:28:24 GMT
It has to be J Coates,from the moment his father handed him the reigns,we have steadily got worse. He hasn't the faintest idea on how to run a football league club,he thinks just because he's got loads of money,he thinks he knows best,so won't for one moment think of getting people in who do know what they're doing. His way of running Stoke City could be the downfall of the club. He’s learned everything he knows about running a football club from his Dad that is the main problem because he was pretty shit at it too.
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