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Post by theonlooker on Dec 5, 2023 7:48:26 GMT
Interestingly Chris Davies the Spurs assistant manager is 7/4 2nd fav behind mad Nath. Was at Swansea over ten years ago with Brendan Rodgers.
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Post by LGH87 on Dec 5, 2023 7:54:32 GMT
Interestingly Chris Davies the Spurs assistant manager is 7/4 2nd fav behind mad Nath. Was at Swansea over ten years ago with Brendan Rodgers. Ahhh ok, I knew they worked together at Leicester, didn't realise it stretched that far back. Market's won't mean a lot yet anyway, with the Sunderland market being a good example with the betting starting around 5s/6s for Eustace as fav. Definitely think Sunderland will go for someone a bit more left field this time.
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 5, 2023 8:05:01 GMT
Was at Swansea over ten years ago with Brendan Rodgers. Ahhh ok, I knew they worked together at Leicester, didn't realise it stretched that far back. Market's won't mean a lot yet anyway, with the Sunderland market being a good example with the betting starting around 5s/6s for Eustace as fav. Definitely think Sunderland will go for someone a bit more left field this time. I can see Eustace there to be honest. There is a Birmingham connection with their Sporting Director and first team coach.
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Post by callas12 on Dec 5, 2023 9:16:16 GMT
Stoke are now the only club in the current bottom 7 to stand firm & not to make some kind of managerial change. Blind faith by the owners or a potential master stroke I wonder? 🫣 The current spell would certainly rule out the latter right now.
& interestingly both Swansea & Sunderland have both sacked managers yesterday when their managers have slightly better records than AN 🙄😬
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Post by J-Roar on Dec 5, 2023 9:57:39 GMT
It could be two new managers by then so a bounce bounce draw Reminds me of playing Fulham, whose manager Alan Dicks was under pressure home fans sang "Dicks out" whilst Stokies sang "Ball out" Beats panto hands down Wonder if Arthur Cox ever had to face that chant
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Post by bagnallboothen on Dec 5, 2023 10:00:50 GMT
Great time to sack a manager where we sit in the table though. Given our track record of managerial appointments you'd have to be daft to twist now I fully expect Coates to keep him on at least until the end of the season and rightly so as he would have learned from sacking Hughes at a daft time. Many want to repeat that idiotic move and we could end up in division 3 if it goes tits up. Its all fun and games picking new managers until you pick one and go down. Afraid it'll have to be sucked up buttercups, I'll piss myself if we start winning games and fly up the table. Oh the fun I'll have on here haha The fact your now saying if having spent months using when tells you everything you need to know
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 5, 2023 10:51:47 GMT
Maybe he was better with MON’s abortion of a squad at least he managed to get them to score more goals. We've had to gamble on foreign markets because we needed 18 new players, the fact we needed 18 new players is pretty telling. Some of these players are clearly struggling with the nature of English football. You know the bigger picture in what we've done here to a successful manager is embarrassing. It's amateurish by the club. 1) bringing him in right early doors after the manager who built the crap squad was fired meaning Neil didn't even have a preseason . 2) needing 18 new players in summer and still didn't even get the benefit of a preseason, this time around either We bring in a whole boat load of foreign players because we need to find value because of the scale of the rebuild, they've never set foot in the country before but are chucked together without the benefit of a preseason. The fans instantly on his back expecting instant results. If he does walk away at the end of the season I do wish him the best of luck and back onto the promotion band wagon that he's proven in . You're on a hiding to nothing managing scfc Ffs you sound like his mum posting on here 🤣
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Post by J-Roar on Dec 5, 2023 10:58:56 GMT
Thought it was only us who made duff appointments
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 5, 2023 11:12:28 GMT
Thought it was only us who made duff appointments Good one 😆
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Post by vidigal7 on Dec 5, 2023 11:38:26 GMT
We've had to gamble on foreign markets because we needed 18 new players, the fact we needed 18 new players is pretty telling. Some of these players are clearly struggling with the nature of English football. You know the bigger picture in what we've done here to a successful manager is embarrassing. It's amateurish by the club. 1) bringing him in right early doors after the manager who built the crap squad was fired meaning Neil didn't even have a preseason . 2) needing 18 new players in summer and still didn't even get the benefit of a preseason, this time around either We bring in a whole boat load of foreign players because we need to find value because of the scale of the rebuild, they've never set foot in the country before but are chucked together without the benefit of a preseason. The fans instantly on his back expecting instant results. If he does walk away at the end of the season I do wish him the best of luck and back onto the promotion band wagon that he's proven in . You're on a hiding to nothing managing scfc Ffs you sound like his mum posting on here 🤣 Haha It's all true though
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Post by vidigal7 on Dec 5, 2023 11:42:43 GMT
Great time to sack a manager where we sit in the table though. Given our track record of managerial appointments you'd have to be daft to twist now I fully expect Coates to keep him on at least until the end of the season and rightly so as he would have learned from sacking Hughes at a daft time. Many want to repeat that idiotic move and we could end up in division 3 if it goes tits up. Its all fun and games picking new managers until you pick one and go down. Afraid it'll have to be sucked up buttercups, I'll piss myself if we start winning games and fly up the table. Oh the fun I'll have on here haha The fact your now saying if having spent months using when tells you everything you need to know If we start picking up results and make some banging signings in the Jan window, I'm going to be like Ricky Gervais on here at the Golden Globes taking the piss out of the Hollywood celebrity peados. You'll all be like that brown & white disturbed sniffer dog vid that's doing the rounds on social media. Lord, Plitb. Haha
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Post by vidigal7 on Dec 5, 2023 11:43:32 GMT
Great time to sack a manager where we sit in the table though. Given our track record of managerial appointments you'd have to be daft to twist now I fully expect Coates to keep him on at least until the end of the season and rightly so as he would have learned from sacking Hughes at a daft time. Many want to repeat that idiotic move and we could end up in division 3 if it goes tits up. Its all fun and games picking new managers until you pick one and go down. Afraid it'll have to be sucked up buttercups, I'll piss myself if we start winning games and fly up the table. Oh the fun I'll have on here haha The fact your now saying if having spent months using when tells you everything you need to know If we start picking up results and make some banging signings in the Jan window and go onto have our biggest points total since relegation I'm going to be like Ricky Gervais on here at the Golden Globes taking the piss out of the Hollywood celebrity peados. You'll all be like that brown & white disturbed sniffer dog vid that's doing the rounds on social media. Lord, Plitb. Haha
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 5, 2023 11:46:14 GMT
Ffs you sound like his mum posting on here 🤣 Haha It's all true though I hope you're right and he turns it around. But whilst you're glass half full I'm glass half empty on this one. I have a bit of sympathy with him as I think the main problem for our woes lies upstairs. However over 15 or 16 months he has shown he can't get us going under the regime he's working under. Personally I feel he's taken us backwards a bit. Need a new guy in so we don't waste the January transfer window. But fair play to your positivity Mrs Neil 😉 😆
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Post by vidigal7 on Dec 5, 2023 12:07:06 GMT
Haha It's all true though I hope you're right and he turns it around. But whilst you're glass half full I'm glass half empty on this one. I have a bit of sympathy with him as I think the main problem for our woes lies upstairs. However over 15 or 16 months he has shown he can't get us going under the regime he's working under. Personally I feel he's taken us backwards a bit. Need a new guy in so we don't waste the January transfer window. But fair play to your positivity Mrs Neil 😉 😆 He who laughs last .... ; )
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 5, 2023 12:10:23 GMT
I hope you're right and he turns it around. But whilst you're glass half full I'm glass half empty on this one. I have a bit of sympathy with him as I think the main problem for our woes lies upstairs. However over 15 or 16 months he has shown he can't get us going under the regime he's working under. Personally I feel he's taken us backwards a bit. Need a new guy in so we don't waste the January transfer window. But fair play to your positivity Mrs Neil 😉 😆 He who laughs last .... ; ) Indeed. I just hope he gets sacked pronto now so I don't have Mrs Neil trolling me all over the oatcake in the very very very unlikely event her lad manages to "turn it around" 😉 😆
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 5, 2023 12:10:46 GMT
Looks like another door closed on Nath
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Post by mattythestokie on Dec 5, 2023 12:16:24 GMT
Looks like another door closed on Nath Makes you wonder what Jones’ next step is. Is the championship out of reach for him?
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Post by mistergumby on Dec 5, 2023 18:47:07 GMT
Maybe he was better with MON’s abortion of a squad at least he managed to get them to score more goals. We've had to gamble on foreign markets because we needed 18 new players, the fact we needed 18 new players is pretty telling. Some of these players are clearly struggling with the nature of English football. You know the bigger picture in what we've done here to a successful manager is embarrassing. It's amateurish by the club. 1) bringing him in right early doors after the manager who built the crap squad was fired meaning Neil didn't even have a preseason . 2) needing 18 new players in summer and still didn't even get the benefit of a preseason, this time around either We bring in a whole boat load of foreign players because we need to find value because of the scale of the rebuild, they've never set foot in the country before but are chucked together without the benefit of a preseason. The fans instantly on his back expecting instant results. If he does walk away at the end of the season I do wish him the best of luck and back onto the promotion band wagon that he's proven in . You're on a hiding to nothing managing scfc You mean players like Travers, Gooch, Clark, McNally, Rose, Pearson, Johnson, Tchamadeu, Stevens, Wesley, Haksobanovic and Hoever who've 'never set foot in the country before'? OK.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 5, 2023 22:10:16 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 5, 2023 22:12:25 GMT
He's waiting for the call from John Coates 👍
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Post by scfcwebby on Dec 6, 2023 1:22:21 GMT
He's waiting for the call from John Coates 👍 I may be in a minority here, but I don't want Eustace if AN gets the boot
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Post by Sfance on Dec 6, 2023 2:06:11 GMT
Whether you're in the minority or not, Eustace is exactly the man we need. However, I expect he'll be snapped up by Sunderland while IdiotJohn dithers. If they do get him, they're play-off bound (which Birmingham would have been if they hadn't been so stupid.)
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Post by s7oke on Dec 6, 2023 4:45:22 GMT
Whether you're in the minority or not, Eustace is exactly the man we need. However, I expect he'll be snapped up by Sunderland while IdiotJohn dithers. If they do get him, they're play-off bound (which Birmingham would have been if they hadn't been so stupid.) Still is linked with Sunderland now
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Post by vidigal7 on Dec 6, 2023 8:32:55 GMT
He who laughs last .... ; ) Indeed. I just hope he gets sacked pronto now so I don't have Mrs Neil trolling me all over the oatcake in the very very very unlikely event her lad manages to "turn it around" 😉 😆 It's not unheard of or beyond the realms of possibility that a club/team will get their act together in the second half of the season. I think this sacking business is overated as I've stated many times, let somebody build something. A new man comes in and and we've ot a whole bunch of surplus players again, that's what I'm sick of, this never ending revolving door of players and promises that this next time 'after' we've managed to offload players well be in good shape, it never ends, it never arrives because we're always swapping managers, clearing the decs and rebuilding, it's a joke. We should change the club anthem to that song with the lyrics " we can rip it up and start again, rip up and start again". Neil has said multiple times that what has been done has been done on solid grounds. That says to.me we can approach future windows competitively. We're in the very early stages of a massive revamp. How I see it is this manager knows now what is lacking. We've brought in 18, the dust has settled and now its time to build upon it with some good solid signings that will make a difference. There is no doubt that in his eyes a good few of those 18 players won't have made the grade, that's normal, nobody gets 18 new players bang on in one window, we sort the wheat from the chaff now and start to tweak. This manager has stood on the touchline for the first half of the season now, he knows who does and doesn't cut it, he knows who the successful candidates are in playing staff to move forward and who needs to move on, he knows whats needed to improve. Bring in a new man and it's back to square one, 'again', and then people wonder why we're not ripping it up. The answer is in your previous actions. It can't be denied he knows what a successful team looks like. Me personally I'd rather sit it out in the short term for the long term greater good than go through the whole rigmarole of swapping managers and clearing the decks, 'again'. Quick fixes very rarely turn into long term solutions, especially at this football club. Stoke have been like an awkward turd that just won't flush, sooner or later you're going to have to get dirty to fix it instead of using someone elses bog as a short term fix. It's just got to be though, I think people need him out now as to not look a berk if he turns it around, it's become personal, can't be seen being a clueless muppet on the oatcake, it damages the 'street cred', and 'street cred' on here means a whole lot more than a successful team. The last thing you want is a pro 'stick' poster or two ramming it down your throat when the corner is turned., that'll send your cred into unmanageable arrears, haha
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 6, 2023 15:35:37 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67640074Swansea City have drawn up a shortlist of managerial targets, with Tottenham's Chris Davies emerging as a leading candidate to succeed Michael Duff. Davies, 38, joined Spurs in the summer as Ange Postecoglou's senior assistant coach, having spent much of his career as number two to Brendan Rodgers. Davies is committed to playing possession football, which is key for Swansea as they look to move on following Duff's difficult spell in charge. Manchester United coach Eric Ramsey is another who has been mentioned, though a lack of experience may count against him, while Swansea are also known to be looking at managers working overseas.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Dec 6, 2023 21:45:52 GMT
Indeed. I just hope he gets sacked pronto now so I don't have Mrs Neil trolling me all over the oatcake in the very very very unlikely event her lad manages to "turn it around" 😉 😆 It's not unheard of or beyond the realms of possibility that a club/team will get their act together in the second half of the season. I think this sacking business is overated as I've stated many times, let somebody build something. A new man comes in and and we've ot a whole bunch of surplus players again, that's what I'm sick of, this never ending revolving door of players and promises that this next time 'after' we've managed to offload players well be in good shape, it never ends, it never arrives because we're always swapping managers, clearing the decs and rebuilding, it's a joke. We should change the club anthem to that song with the lyrics " we can rip it up and start again, rip up and start again". Neil has said multiple times that what has been done has been done on solid grounds. That says to.me we can approach future windows competitively. We're in the very early stages of a massive revamp. How I see it is this manager knows now what is lacking. We've brought in 18, the dust has settled and now its time to build upon it with some good solid signings that will make a difference. There is no doubt that in his eyes a good few of those 18 players won't have made the grade, that's normal, nobody gets 18 new players bang on in one window, we sort the wheat from the chaff now and start to tweak. This manager has stood on the touchline for the first half of the season now, he knows who does and doesn't cut it, he knows who the successful candidates are in playing staff to move forward and who needs to move on, he knows whats needed to improve. Bring in a new man and it's back to square one, 'again', and then people wonder why we're not ripping it up. The answer is in your previous actions. It can't be denied he knows what a successful team looks like. Me personally I'd rather sit it out in the short term for the long term greater good than go through the whole rigmarole of swapping managers and clearing the decks, 'again'. Quick fixes very rarely turn into long term solutions, especially at this football club. Stoke have been like an awkward turd that just won't flush, sooner or later you're going to have to get dirty to fix it instead of using someone elses bog as a short term fix. It's just got to be though, I think people need him out now as to not look a berk if he turns it around, it's become personal, can't be seen being a clueless muppet on the oatcake, it damages the 'street cred', and 'street cred' on here means a whole lot more than a successful team. The last thing you want is a pro 'stick' poster or two ramming it down your throat when the corner is turned., that'll send your cred into unmanageable arrears, haha I actually agree with a lot of what you say there. It would be great to allow somebody the time and space to build something, but we also need to be sure that it is the right person who is trying to build it. My main gripe with AN is that after a year and a half(ish) I still have no idea what he is trying to build. We have no identity, no style of play, and we seemingly limp from game to game without any real improvement. In short, there is no sign of progress or any sight of what we are actually trying to create. Fans will be more patient of they could see a plan coming together or could make out some method in the madness. Ultimately, AN's record here so far has been really,really poor. If he is going to turn this round, then this mad run of fixtures around Christmas and New Year is going to have to be where it happens.
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Post by thestatusquo on Dec 7, 2023 8:42:40 GMT
Indeed. I just hope he gets sacked pronto now so I don't have Mrs Neil trolling me all over the oatcake in the very very very unlikely event her lad manages to "turn it around" 😉 😆 It's not unheard of or beyond the realms of possibility that a club/team will get their act together in the second half of the season. I think this sacking business is overated as I've stated many times, let somebody build something. A new man comes in and and we've ot a whole bunch of surplus players again, that's what I'm sick of, this never ending revolving door of players and promises that this next time 'after' we've managed to offload players well be in good shape, it never ends, it never arrives because we're always swapping managers, clearing the decs and rebuilding, it's a joke. We should change the club anthem to that song with the lyrics " we can rip it up and start again, rip up and start again". Neil has said multiple times that what has been done has been done on solid grounds. That says to.me we can approach future windows competitively. We're in the very early stages of a massive revamp. How I see it is this manager knows now what is lacking. We've brought in 18, the dust has settled and now its time to build upon it with some good solid signings that will make a difference. There is no doubt that in his eyes a good few of those 18 players won't have made the grade, that's normal, nobody gets 18 new players bang on in one window, we sort the wheat from the chaff now and start to tweak. This manager has stood on the touchline for the first half of the season now, he knows who does and doesn't cut it, he knows who the successful candidates are in playing staff to move forward and who needs to move on, he knows whats needed to improve. Bring in a new man and it's back to square one, 'again', and then people wonder why we're not ripping it up. The answer is in your previous actions. It can't be denied he knows what a successful team looks like. Me personally I'd rather sit it out in the short term for the long term greater good than go through the whole rigmarole of swapping managers and clearing the decks, 'again'. Quick fixes very rarely turn into long term solutions, especially at this football club. Stoke have been like an awkward turd that just won't flush, sooner or later you're going to have to get dirty to fix it instead of using someone elses bog as a short term fix. It's just got to be though, I think people need him out now as to not look a berk if he turns it around, it's become personal, can't be seen being a clueless muppet on the oatcake, it damages the 'street cred', and 'street cred' on here means a whole lot more than a successful team. The last thing you want is a pro 'stick' poster or two ramming it down your throat when the corner is turned., that'll send your cred into unmanageable arrears, haha I’m pretty certain you’re a Neal fan and not a Stoke fan. As has already been pointed out you’ve now changed your mantra from when to if. You cannot deny his incumbency has pretty much been a disaster. And before you go on other managers have gone into clubs and turned them around and others built new teams You keep ignoring the fact that he bought half a team in last January and we were worse. It’s already been pointed out to you that there’s a “boat load” of players that were based in these shores. The injuries excuse has gone and we now sit just outside the relegation. Any Stoke fan would have to be worried by this as there’s ZERO evidence that he can turn it around. If he stays he has to or it’s relegation based on current form. If we are still in this position (or worse) come Xmas then the board will have a decision to make.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 7, 2023 9:28:45 GMT
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Post by rokerite on Dec 7, 2023 10:11:29 GMT
I'd never heard of him but it seems like Duff was a dud! The Swansea City fans weren't having him from the off. They wanted him sacked just six matches in after losing their derby at Cardiff City. But in my opinion more fools them. Michael Duff is a good manager/head coach and they'll do well to get a better one.
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Post by vidigal7 on Dec 7, 2023 12:09:52 GMT
It's not unheard of or beyond the realms of possibility that a club/team will get their act together in the second half of the season. I think this sacking business is overated as I've stated many times, let somebody build something. A new man comes in and and we've ot a whole bunch of surplus players again, that's what I'm sick of, this never ending revolving door of players and promises that this next time 'after' we've managed to offload players well be in good shape, it never ends, it never arrives because we're always swapping managers, clearing the decs and rebuilding, it's a joke. We should change the club anthem to that song with the lyrics " we can rip it up and start again, rip up and start again". Neil has said multiple times that what has been done has been done on solid grounds. That says to.me we can approach future windows competitively. We're in the very early stages of a massive revamp. How I see it is this manager knows now what is lacking. We've brought in 18, the dust has settled and now its time to build upon it with some good solid signings that will make a difference. There is no doubt that in his eyes a good few of those 18 players won't have made the grade, that's normal, nobody gets 18 new players bang on in one window, we sort the wheat from the chaff now and start to tweak. This manager has stood on the touchline for the first half of the season now, he knows who does and doesn't cut it, he knows who the successful candidates are in playing staff to move forward and who needs to move on, he knows whats needed to improve. Bring in a new man and it's back to square one, 'again', and then people wonder why we're not ripping it up. The answer is in your previous actions. It can't be denied he knows what a successful team looks like. Me personally I'd rather sit it out in the short term for the long term greater good than go through the whole rigmarole of swapping managers and clearing the decks, 'again'. Quick fixes very rarely turn into long term solutions, especially at this football club. Stoke have been like an awkward turd that just won't flush, sooner or later you're going to have to get dirty to fix it instead of using someone elses bog as a short term fix. It's just got to be though, I think people need him out now as to not look a berk if he turns it around, it's become personal, can't be seen being a clueless muppet on the oatcake, it damages the 'street cred', and 'street cred' on here means a whole lot more than a successful team. The last thing you want is a pro 'stick' poster or two ramming it down your throat when the corner is turned., that'll send your cred into unmanageable arrears, haha I actually agree with a lot of what you say there. It would be great to allow somebody the time and space to build something, but we also need to be sure that it is the right person who is trying to build it. My main gripe with AN is that after a year and a half(ish) I still have no idea what he is trying to build. We have no identity, no style of play, and we seemingly limp from game to game without any real improvement. In short, there is no sign of progress or any sight of what we are actually trying to create. Fans will be more patient of they could see a plan coming together or could make out some method in the madness. Ultimately, AN's record here so far has been really,really poor. If he is going to turn this round, then this mad run of fixtures around Christmas and New Year is going to have to be where it happens. Neil's preferred football is a high energy pressing game, I do think we've seen signs of that but we are a couple of key players in key areas away from making it a consistent and effective reality. He likes his full backs to get forward and sling crosses in, I do think we see that too, although I think Hoevers contributions so far have been average on a his good days. The CF situation is a really biggy, so is LB, they need filling adequately with the right person, hopefully we can do that in Jan. I do also think Mmaee is struggling with the intensity we want to play at and Vidigal is struggling with the physicality of English football. Wesley is Wesley isnt he, good for a certain thing and a certain thing only. Given Campbell has been injured we've been using a pretty ineffective forward line I must admit. We need a forward or two in Jan for definate
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