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Post by Old School Stokie on Dec 4, 2023 11:44:56 GMT
Its a good job nobody in the Coates family logs onto The Oatcake to listen to all these experts.Ironic comment about JC thinks he knows something about football - who says that? Think 95% of the moaners on here need to take a long hard look at themselves and ask themselves what do they know and of course they feel they could do a better job. Yeh - give us a break and just shut up.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 4, 2023 11:52:35 GMT
Its a good job nobody in the Coates family logs onto The Oatcake to listen to all these experts.Ironic comment about JC thinks he knows something about football - who says that? Think 95% of the moaners on here need to take a long hard look at themselves and ask themselves what do they know and of course they feel they could do a better job. Yeh - give us a break and just shut up. Nice doff capping. See you in Division 1.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2023 11:58:22 GMT
Its a good job nobody in the Coates family logs onto The Oatcake to listen to all these experts.Ironic comment about JC thinks he knows something about football - who says that? Think 95% of the moaners on here need to take a long hard look at themselves and ask themselves what do they know and of course they feel they could do a better job. Yeh - give us a break and just shut up. Thing is mate, the people on here commenting on our situation don't need to be experts. The people that run our club do need to be experts, or at the very least, they need to be really good at what they do. The facts are they aren't either of the above, otherwise with our wealth they wouldn't have put us in the position we are in. Mistake, after mistake, after mistake, and they're still not learning. They should be embarrassed with how they've turned a Premier League club into the shit show it is now.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Dec 4, 2023 12:02:45 GMT
I'm yet to be underwhelmed by any manager they brought in at the point they brought them in since Lambert.
Rowett - had a decent record and was untainted with problems at the point we picked him up. Jones - was up and coming, had a great record in leagues below us. MON - International manager who was renowned for getting the best out of the players he had. Alex Neil - had promotions, managed at the top level and had experience in the Championship.
If you judge their decisions based on how everyone saw the managers they brought in, it's not a bad lot.
I've been banging the Director of Football drum for ages and still feel it adds stability when you select the wrong manager. I'm not sure selecting the director based on the manager is the right approach because it doesn't solve the problem. I think the board also need to question whether they should have backed these managers on early showings. Jones and Neil had a poor start and then were allowed to mould the team but you can understand why they did it.
I think I'd like to steal the idea from other posters where out next manager should just be an entertainer because it's been so unenjoyable for so long.
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Post by chad on Dec 4, 2023 12:19:21 GMT
Spot on post this. Hindsight is wonderful but in fact all the managerial appointments since Lambert have been greeted with mostly enthusiasm on their appointments
I was genuinely excited in particular when we got Nathan Jones He had a great record, played good football, and came across as being full of enthusiasm and optimism. How wrong can you be !
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 4, 2023 12:23:50 GMT
Its a good job nobody in the Coates family logs onto The Oatcake to listen to all these experts.Ironic comment about JC thinks he knows something about football - who says that? Think 95% of the moaners on here need to take a long hard look at themselves and ask themselves what do they know and of course they feel they could do a better job. Yeh - give us a break and just shut up. Just took a long hard look at myself but John Coates still seems to know piss all about running a modern football club and I’ll continue to moan about it cheers
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 4, 2023 12:32:05 GMT
I don't blame them necessarily for the managers they've chosen since relegation (all had a large amount of support if I recall), and the backing/time they have given them to turn things around (albeit they were very naive giving Rowett the war chest he received for the type of players he was purchasing). Nor do I blame them for the infrastructure of the club the academy, the facilities we now enjoy, the free travel and frozen season ticket prices.
I do blame them for not creating a framework for the coach/manager to work in, with a director of football and a clear philosophy for the direction of travel we want to go in as a club. That is a grave mistake, and although we've made some steps towards improving that it's still manager led which just isn't right. That would be a really good starting point, but I certainly wouldn't start shouting too loudly for them to leave/sell as the amount of money they have put into our club (often to right wrongs in hindsight it has to be said) I just don't see anyone else being willing to bankroll us in that way................
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2023 12:45:42 GMT
If they didn’t have the endless pits of money and a tie to the city people would view them differently.
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Post by hoppo96 on Dec 4, 2023 12:56:30 GMT
Its a good job nobody in the Coates family logs onto The Oatcake to listen to all these experts.Ironic comment about JC thinks he knows something about football - who says that? Think 95% of the moaners on here need to take a long hard look at themselves and ask themselves what do they know and of course they feel they could do a better job. Yeh - give us a break and just shut up. nobody on here thinks they'd do better, they just propose hiring people who could/would. They're allowed to hire outsiders, you don't have to be a SCFC diehard to work at the club
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Post by march4 on Dec 4, 2023 13:04:03 GMT
Blaming the Coates Family! I’ve heard it all now. Well who else is it March And don’t say the fans It’s the owners that get the incompetent managers The appointment of Rowett was widely welcomed on here. The appointment of Jones was pretty much universally welcomed on here. The appointment of MON was largely welcomed on here. In AN, we have appointed an upcoming young manager who has plenty of experience already, has earned 3 promotions and turned around a bigger club than Stoke who were in a worse position. Criticism of the Coates family is completely ridiculous.
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Post by march4 on Dec 4, 2023 13:06:41 GMT
Its a good job nobody in the Coates family logs onto The Oatcake to listen to all these experts.Ironic comment about JC thinks he knows something about football - who says that? Think 95% of the moaners on here need to take a long hard look at themselves and ask themselves what do they know and of course they feel they could do a better job. Yeh - give us a break and just shut up. Nice doff capping. See you in Division 1. At least we will be solvent. Look at clubs of similar stature whose local owners have gone - Bolton, Wigan, Reading, etc. We have no divine right to Championship football or even League football.
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Post by LGH87 on Dec 4, 2023 13:15:38 GMT
Nice doff capping. See you in Division 1. At least we will be solvent. Look at clubs of similar stature whose local owners have gone - Bolton, Wigan, Reading, etc. We have no divine right to Championship football or even League football. Why don't you ever mention any of the many, many clubs who are now reaping the success of new owners March? Including the club you profess that AN turned the fortunes around for. (who in reality he took a championship ready squad that he didn't assemble, up through the play offs) You're not the only one mind, there's many who weirdly believe that only the Coates can run this club. It's bizarre, almost cult-like behaviour.
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Post by theporcelainpele on Dec 4, 2023 13:23:43 GMT
Nice doff capping. See you in Division 1. At least we will be solvent. Look at clubs of similar stature whose local owners have gone - Bolton, Wigan, Reading, etc. We have no divine right to Championship football or even League football. So you just want to see us debt free in league 1? Wow. And what assets do we currently own? A shit squad of players that can’t hack it in the championship! A stadium that’s the cheapest most pathetic one of the new build era for a club of our size and a training ground that’s falling behind year on year that even the club have said recently needs millions spending on it. Deluded. It’s ok though, the bet365 accountants are currently working on a way to save JC from drowning again.
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Post by matelot1996 on Dec 4, 2023 13:39:54 GMT
Once Peter goes to a better place the club may well eventually be up for sale. I’m not convinced his kids are as interested in the Club as we are. Mike Ashley is a cert for us. 😂
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Post by chad on Dec 4, 2023 13:50:59 GMT
If they didn’t have the endless pits of money and a tie to the city people would view them differently. But they do. And there’s no one else out there with there money and there commitment
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Post by vidigal7 on Dec 4, 2023 13:56:28 GMT
You'd think we were in the lower reaches of division 3.
Each window we can look forward to being competitive in transfers under the Coates', we don't have to sell anybody we don't want to, we've just got to get it right on the pitch
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Post by mamathestriker on Dec 4, 2023 14:00:28 GMT
If they didn’t have the endless pits of money and a tie to the city people would view them differently. But they do. And there’s no one else out there with there money and there commitment Exactly. What a strange stick to beat them with. I like that they're local. They have made mistakes, they're not demons.
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 4, 2023 14:02:59 GMT
Well who else is it March And don’t say the fans It’s the owners that get the incompetent managers The appointment of Rowett was widely welcomed on here. The appointment of Jones was pretty much universally welcomed on here. The appointment of MON was largely welcomed on here. In AN, we have appointed an upcoming young manager who has plenty of experience already, has earned 3 promotions and turned around a bigger club than Stoke who were in a worse position. Criticism of the Coates family is completely ridiculous. It’s almost like it’s not the managerial appointments themselves that are the problem isn’t it
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Post by march4 on Dec 4, 2023 14:14:18 GMT
At least we will be solvent. Look at clubs of similar stature whose local owners have gone - Bolton, Wigan, Reading, etc. We have no divine right to Championship football or even League football. Why don't you ever mention any of the many, many clubs who are now reaping the success of new owners March? Including the club you profess that AN turned the fortunes around for. (who in reality he took a championship ready squad that he didn't assemble, up through the play offs) You're not the only one mind, there's many who weirdly believe that only the Coates can run this club. It's bizarre, almost cult-like behaviour. Such as? The only cult is the ridiculous, illogical one that thinks we would be better off without the Coates family.
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Post by nott1 on Dec 4, 2023 14:16:04 GMT
Its a good job nobody in the Coates family logs onto The Oatcake to listen to all these experts.Ironic comment about JC thinks he knows something about football - who says that? Think 95% of the moaners on here need to take a long hard look at themselves and ask themselves what do they know and of course they feel they could do a better job. Yeh - give us a break and just shut up. We should never blame them but we do need a manager to take us forward!
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Post by skip on Dec 4, 2023 14:18:32 GMT
Its a good job nobody in the Coates family logs onto The Oatcake to listen to all these experts.Ironic comment about JC thinks he knows something about football - who says that? Think 95% of the moaners on here need to take a long hard look at themselves and ask themselves what do they know and of course they feel they could do a better job. Yeh - give us a break and just shut up. I know from first hand experience that Coates Sr. didn't give two shits what was posted on here.
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Post by skip on Dec 4, 2023 14:20:01 GMT
Well who else is it March And don’t say the fans It’s the owners that get the incompetent managers The appointment of Rowett was widely welcomed on here. The appointment of Jones was pretty much universally welcomed on here. The appointment of MON was largely welcomed on here. In AN, we have appointed an upcoming young manager who has plenty of experience already, has earned 3 promotions and turned around a bigger club than Stoke who were in a worse position. Criticism of the Coates family is completely ridiculous. The Coates family have appointed every manager since God knows when. Are they not accountable for their decision making procedures?
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Post by theporcelainpele on Dec 4, 2023 14:21:40 GMT
You'd think we were in the lower reaches of division 3. Each window we can look forward to being competitive in transfers under the Coates', we don't have to sell anybody we don't want to, we've just got to get it right on the pitch We’ve had about 8 windows and not shown one glimpse of being competitive for any run of time.
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Post by LGH87 on Dec 4, 2023 14:27:21 GMT
Why don't you ever mention any of the many, many clubs who are now reaping the success of new owners March? Including the club you profess that AN turned the fortunes around for. (who in reality he took a championship ready squad that he didn't assemble, up through the play offs) You're not the only one mind, there's many who weirdly believe that only the Coates can run this club. It's bizarre, almost cult-like behaviour. Such as? The only cult is the ridiculous, illogical one that thinks we would be better off without the Coates family. Brentford, Bournemouth, Fulham, Burnley, Wolves, Forest, Ipswich, Sunderland to name a few.
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Post by vidigal7 on Dec 4, 2023 14:31:09 GMT
You'd think we were in the lower reaches of division 3. Each window we can look forward to being competitive in transfers under the Coates', we don't have to sell anybody we don't want to, we've just got to get it right on the pitch We’ve had about 8 windows and not shown one glimpse of being competitive for any run of time. No, so it can only get better can't it. We might not be getting the results at present but I'm still looking forward to every game, the football isn't dull. Personally I thinknwe should try to sign a few British based players now, that's a recent observation, I think a few of these are struggling with the physical nature and intensity of English football
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Post by AlliG on Dec 4, 2023 14:39:38 GMT
Such as? The only cult is the ridiculous, illogical one that thinks we would be better off without the Coates family. Brentford, Bournemouth, Fulham, Burnley, Wolves, Forest, Ipswich, Sunderland to name a few. Having a few Wolves supporting friends, I think they would be surprised to see their owners on your list. The general view down there seems to be that their owners are selling everything that isn't screwed to the ground to try and recoup their outlay as they are now much, much poorer than when they brought the club. Plus. Qualifying for the Champions League wasn't the stroll in the park they seemed to believe. It isn't just the fans down there who are totally deluded.
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Post by wazbagsbro on Dec 4, 2023 14:41:58 GMT
Its a good job nobody in the Coates family logs onto The Oatcake to listen to all these experts.Ironic comment about JC thinks he knows something about football - who says that? Think 95% of the moaners on here need to take a long hard look at themselves and ask themselves what do they know and of course they feel they could do a better job. Yeh - give us a break and just shut up. 👍
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Post by callas12 on Dec 4, 2023 14:42:12 GMT
Its a good job nobody in the Coates family logs onto The Oatcake to listen to all these experts.Ironic comment about JC thinks he knows something about football - who says that? Think 95% of the moaners on here need to take a long hard look at themselves and ask themselves what do they know and of course they feel they could do a better job. Yeh - give us a break and just shut up. Im sure they do.. & respond by saying "I don't know what all the fuss is about".. As we were hurtling downwards out of the Premier League! This despite fans expressing their deep and genuine concerns about what was approaching on the horizon. But yeah you're right, what do the fans know?! 🙄😬
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Post by wazbagsbro on Dec 4, 2023 14:48:28 GMT
I don't buy into this idea that because we've had very good times under the Coates family (and yes they were brilliant times) they cannot be criticised for the bad times (there have been many of those under Coates ownership aswell). If your main striker is top scorer for three seasons and then doesn't score for an entire season he is going to get criticised. Does that mean you would want him to leave? Probably not but you would want him to change what he was doing wrong. It is the same for the Coates and their ownership. The good times do not mean that we as fans cannot criticise the bad times and right now we have had absolute shit for many years now. So much so that the bad times will soon be outweighing the good times. We have had countless managers who at this level are proven with other clubs and yes the Coates have backed them to the hilt (I don't think anyone would deny that), but at a certain point you have to ask yourself is it a bigger problem than just the manager. I think it's safe to say that we are at that point. The managers, players and coaches etc have to foot the blame aswell ofcourse they do but if they are fine to come under criticism then so are the owners. As fans of the club they must know how shit things are and I've no doubt it's hurting them deeply so why they won't change the way they are running things I will never understand. This thread wasn’t about criticism, it was about absolute ugly insults to people who are trying their best to get us back to the premiership. I never said their decisions were all correct, just that the insults were out of control. Enough to make someone walk away even
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Post by LGH87 on Dec 4, 2023 14:50:17 GMT
Brentford, Bournemouth, Fulham, Burnley, Wolves, Forest, Ipswich, Sunderland to name a few. Having a few Wolves supporting friends, I think they would be surprised to see their owners on your list. The general view down there seems to be that their owners are selling everything that isn't screwed to the ground to try and recoup their outlay as they are now much, much poorer than when they brought the club. Plus. Qualifying for the Champions League wasn't the stroll in the park they seemed to believe. It isn't just the fans down there who are totally deluded. Wolves maybe not a great example now but have been cemented in the Prem the whole time we've been fucking around in the bottom half of the championship.
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