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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Nov 23, 2023 18:47:27 GMT
His attempts to save penalties were as if he still had his kecks around his ankles. No one would have hit near those German penalties for example. He saved England on plenty.of occasions including a few times in that German semi ,say His performance v Hamburg in the Euro final was fantastic as it was most games for them To say he wasn't up to it in general is absolute nonsense East boy. I rated Shilts but he did generally go down like sack of spuds at penalties π
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 23, 2023 18:49:41 GMT
I'm not old enough to have seen him play for Stoke although I know many an older was who were fairly underwhelmed by his time with us. I'll rephrase then and say one of the most overrated I've seen live as from the mid 80's onwards he was largely crap.Β Got way too may caps out of sentimentality for England in the end........ I think he was the best they had by quite a distance even later in his career. Wasn't really anyone challenging him to be No1 Woods was good but no more. He was far from crap, was the keeper in the World for a time for me. Was fantastic at Forest Apparently his penalty record was woeful though. But he defo was a decent keeper. Just not that great when he was at stoke for varying reasons. Read waddos book a while back and some of it was explained but can't remember now.
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Post by bobbyh on Nov 23, 2023 18:51:44 GMT
I remember the 2_2 at Stoke but was certain Shiltom made his debut away at Wolves. It was his debut at Wolves. He played a blinder and kept us in the game, but it was so open and 2-2 was a pretty fair result as I recall.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 23, 2023 18:52:21 GMT
No one would have hit near those German penalties for example. He saved England on plenty.of occasions including a few times in that German semi ,say His performance v Hamburg in the Euro final was fantastic as it was most games for them To say he wasn't up to it in general is absolute nonsense East boy. I rated Shilts but he did generally go down like sack of spuds at penalties π He did but the only keeper I can remember at the time who regularly saved pens was Paul Cooper and not at that level . I can't remember Shilton say conceding a pen at the WC that snother keeper would have saved. Bottom line was, other nations simply took better penalties at the tournaments rather than miss the target or straight at the keeper wasn't Shilton's fault.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 23, 2023 19:06:35 GMT
East boy. I rated Shilts but he did generally go down like sack of spuds at penalties π He did but the only keeper I can remember at the time who regularly saved pens was Paul Cooper and not at that level . I can't remember Shilton say conceding a pen at the WC that snother keeper would have saved. Bottom line was, other nations simply took better penalties at the tournaments rather than miss the target or straight at the keeper wasn't Shilton's fault. Those German pens were typically German and I donβt think any keeper gets to them, he just looked very laboured to get down. Basically diving after they were hit. Incidentally I had to watch the highlights in the end as I missed the penos live because a couple of Norwegian hot air balloonists decided to crash in my street which was pretty cool. True story
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Post by midtempo on Nov 23, 2023 19:19:56 GMT
[Remember the bell ringing lady from Man City ?!
I was also on Match of the Day around those times, my dad lifted me to sit on top of one of the dugouts in the Boothen Paddock. Their cameras captured me sat there π
Happy times and memories but we have also had some since and hopefully more to come in the not too distant !![/quote]
She used ring that bl**dy Bell every time Man City attacked , It was along time ago but I can recall her sitting in the Main Stand next to "Players box". I use to get in via door X sometimes which entered the Boothern underneath the "players box"
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 23, 2023 19:37:10 GMT
He did but the only keeper I can remember at the time who regularly saved pens was Paul Cooper and not at that level . I can't remember Shilton say conceding a pen at the WC that snother keeper would have saved. Bottom line was, other nations simply took better penalties at the tournaments rather than miss the target or straight at the keeper wasn't Shilton's fault. Those German pens were typically German and I donβt think any keeper gets to them, he just looked very laboured to get down. Basically diving after they were hit. Incidentally I had to watch the highlights in the end as I missed the penos live because a couple of Norwegian hot air balloonists decided to crash in my street which was pretty cool. True story Kamikaze Norwegian balloonists were a problem that era....I think Eurovision failure hit them hard
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Post by somersetstokie on Nov 23, 2023 23:51:31 GMT
There are a lot of comments regarding that Wolves draw on this thread, but if I was there I don't seem to remember it. The only Wolves match that I can recall from around that time was one that we played in the Snow, using an orange ball. I was in the Butler Street paddock and my main recollection was of Wolves winger "Windmill" Bertie Lutton making his runs down the line. I think it all ended 1-1.
Edit: This match seems to have been 1970. So around the time that we were good enough to beat Arsenal 5-o, but we were not yet the super club that we began to be a bit later.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 24, 2023 0:00:18 GMT
Possibly the most overrated keeper to have played the game............ He was a great keeper and like all over his long career you can pick out mistakes over the dozens and dozens of great moments Without doubt the best save ever saw was Shilton v Ferguson of Coventry Straight at him.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 24, 2023 0:05:31 GMT
He was a great keeper and like all over his long career you can pick out mistakes over the dozens and dozens of great moments Without doubt the best save ever saw was Shilton v Ferguson of Coventry Straight at him. I think Ferguson's reaction said it all Fell to his knees
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 24, 2023 1:17:14 GMT
I think Ferguson's reaction said it all Fell to his knees Laffing his bollox off at Shilton's over reaction to the header. ππ
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 24, 2023 2:18:23 GMT
I think Ferguson's reaction said it all Fell to his knees Laffing his bollox off at Shilton's over reaction to the header. ππ Shilton just clapped his hands...next Seem to remember Birmingham loaned Ferguson to Coventry and he scored the goal that basically kept Coventry up, Birmingham went down
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Post by NassauDave on Nov 24, 2023 2:31:49 GMT
I remember the 2_2 at Stoke but was certain Shiltom made his debut away at Wolves. I agree.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Nov 24, 2023 2:38:29 GMT
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Post by NassauDave on Nov 24, 2023 2:39:51 GMT
Yes Stoke went top of Division One , i was there on the Boothern End when Dennis Smith scored ( at the Boothern End) when we beat Leicester City on 30 November 1974. Next game was Birmingham away and we won 3 nil. Arguably Jimmy Greenhoffs best goal for Stoke. It was kicking off big style on the long terrace at the side and the journey back to New Street station was eventful, I seem to remember passing the area where the IRA bomb had gone off in a pub there.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 24, 2023 5:53:42 GMT
Laffing his bollox off at Shilton's over reaction to the header. ππ Shilton just clapped his hands...next Seem to remember Birmingham loaned Ferguson to Coventry and he scored the goal that basically kept Coventry up, Birmingham went down Mick Ferguson was a real old centre forward. A big man if you will.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2023 7:54:24 GMT
I'm with Prestwich on this one. Shilton through the 80's and in the 90 World Cup was overrated/wank.
Reminded me of a Subbuteo goalkeeper being controlled by a Sloth.
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Post by NassauDave on Nov 24, 2023 8:39:20 GMT
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 24, 2023 10:36:53 GMT
I think he was the best they had by quite a distance even later in his career. Wasn't really anyone challenging him to be No1 Woods was good but no more. He was far from crap, was the keeper in the World for a time for me. Was fantastic at Forest Clemence was the better keeper and the better man. Farmer was doing a perfectly sound job, we needed a striker, Waddo bought Shilton. Might it be a bit of a myth that it was goalie or striker? Osgood was on the verge of signing but chose to go to Southampton. My understanding is that we were prepared to sign both. Shilton might have been overrated later in his career but he was a brilliant keeper at his peak, especially at Forest. Gordon Banks said he thought Shilton was the best keeper around so that was a pretty good recommendation, and I believe there were some issues with John Farmer at the time which meant we needed to bring in a keeper. Shilton's decline towards the end of his Forest career was due to gambling and drink addictions which kicked in around 1980, he shouldn't have been picked for England after that but there wasn't much competition either.
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Nov 24, 2023 11:08:59 GMT
Sure i saw kamakazi Norwegian hot air ballonists supporting world of twist back in the day great land... sorry bandπ
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Post by march4 on Nov 24, 2023 11:38:16 GMT
Clemence was the better keeper and the better man. Farmer was doing a perfectly sound job, we needed a striker, Waddo bought Shilton. Might it be a bit of a myth that it was goalie or striker? Osgood was on the verge of signing but chose to go to Southampton. My understanding is that we were prepared to sign both. Shilton might have been overrated later in his career but he was a brilliant keeper at his peak, especially at Forest. Gordon Banks said he thought Shilton was the best keeper around so that was a pretty good recommendation, and I believe there were some issues with John Farmer at the time which meant we needed to bring in a keeper. Shilton's decline towards the end of his Forest career was due to gambling and drink addictions which kicked in around 1980, he shouldn't have been picked for England after that but there wasn't much competition either. All will be revealed in future episodes. Not long to wait now.
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Post by midtempo on Nov 24, 2023 11:45:51 GMT
Osgood was on the verge of signing but chose to go to Southampton. My understanding is that we were prepared to sign both.
Osgood went to Southampton instead and made some disparaging remarks about Ritchie being something of a carthorse as he did so.
One week later Southampton tipped up at the Vic, Ritchie scored a Hatrick in the 4 -1 victory, the best laugh was when Ritchie went down on his hands and knees to head the ball over the line for his 3rd goal. Really taking the P
Great Days !!!!
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 24, 2023 12:47:25 GMT
Osgood was on the verge of signing but chose to go to Southampton. My understanding is that we were prepared to sign both. Osgood went to Southampton instead and made some disparaging remarks about Ritchie being something of a carthorse as he did so. One week later Southampton tipped up at the Vic, Ritchie scored a Hatrick in the 4 -1 victory, the best laugh was when Ritchie went down on his hands and knees to head the ball over the line for his 3rd goal. Really taking the P Great Days !!!! They really were! Osgood was seemingly going to be the final piece of the jigsaw for us. Osgood and Huddy would have probably drunk the city dry though!
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 24, 2023 12:55:08 GMT
Clemence was the better keeper and the better man. Farmer was doing a perfectly sound job, we needed a striker, Waddo bought Shilton. Might it be a bit of a myth that it was goalie or striker? Osgood was on the verge of signing but chose to go to Southampton. My understanding is that we were prepared to sign both. Shilton might have been overrated later in his career but he was a brilliant keeper at his peak, especially at Forest. Gordon Banks said he thought Shilton was the best keeper around so that was a pretty good recommendation, and I believe there were some issues with John Farmer at the time which meant we needed to bring in a keeper. Shilton's decline towards the end of his Forest career was due to gambling and drink addictions which kicked in around 1980, he shouldn't have been picked for England after that but there wasn't much competition either. Yep nailed it there Was no one to take his place even when he was slowing down. Was above any keeper around at Forest, no one could touch him those years. A perfectionist of a keeper at times, you could see from before kick off the way he prepared himself. Those European wins for Forest were many down to his brilliance in games
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Post by tpholloway1 on Nov 24, 2023 13:25:05 GMT
Osgood was on the verge of signing but chose to go to Southampton. My understanding is that we were prepared to sign both. Osgood went to Southampton instead and made some disparaging remarks about Ritchie being something of a carthorse as he did so. One week later Southampton tipped up at the Vic, Ritchie scored a Hatrick in the 4 -1 victory, the best laugh was when Ritchie went down on his hands and knees to head the ball over the line for his 3rd goal. Really taking the P Great Days !!!! Yes, I think Osgood said something along the lines that Richie could only score with his head, hence the ultimate piss take. Does anyone know if it was recorded?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 24, 2023 13:28:32 GMT
Would we have been a better team overall with Osgood in it and John Farmer between the sticks, that is the question?
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 24, 2023 13:53:44 GMT
Would we have been a better team overall with Osgood in it and John Farmer between the sticks, that is the question? My memory of it is that Shilton was a fantastic buy at the time. We oozed with confidence from the time he came in and the fact is the defence had not felt confident with John Farmer just at that point in time. The difference with him in goal was very noticeable from my memory. We just needed a centre forward, the fact we didn't get Osgood was nothing to do with Shilton, it wasn't either or, the two were 6 months apart, and last minute Osgood went for the South coast option and didn't want to move North. Shilton's later dip in form was post Forest. The thing we should have invested in was insurance!
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 24, 2023 13:56:19 GMT
Would we have been a better team overall with Osgood in it and John Farmer between the sticks, that is the question? Farmer wasn't a title winning keeper let's be honest He was as good as others in the top flight but we needed better perhaps. Shilton was at Forest, he was superb, they got the better of him as he got more experienced.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 24, 2023 13:58:19 GMT
Osgood was on the verge of signing but chose to go to Southampton. My understanding is that we were prepared to sign both. Osgood went to Southampton instead and made some disparaging remarks about Ritchie being something of a carthorse as he did so. One week later Southampton tipped up at the Vic, Ritchie scored a Hatrick in the 4 -1 victory, the best laugh was when Ritchie went down on his hands and knees to head the ball over the line for his 3rd goal. Really taking the P Great Days !!!! He also walked up to Osgood after the 3rd goal and counted out 1...2....3... on his fingers right in his face. Loved BJR....legend.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 24, 2023 13:58:55 GMT
Would we have been a better team overall with Osgood in it and John Farmer between the sticks, that is the question? Conjecture but for me yes...we would have won the Title.
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