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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 13:55:11 GMT
Don't like him being made a scapegoat.
He's an okay, modestly paid ( by football standards!) , number 2 .
Likewise with Jordan Thompson.
The modestly paid back up players have been okay .
It's the first team big hitters on top money like Gayle and Baker , where it's all gone wrong.
I would rather Lowe play up front than Gayle and he must be on a fraction of Gayle's wages .
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 29, 2023 14:15:28 GMT
they were saves he should be making The one in the first half was a superb save. You can't win as keeper, get your positioning and footwork right so that you can make a save and it's "a save he should be making." I understand Bonham isn't a world beater, but it's a shame some of the other players don't get the same level of scrutiny. For example let's analyse Vidigal and Hoever's contributions over the last couple of games incident by incident. They've been absolutely shite. I'd say about 85% of what makes a good keeper is consistency - making those solid saves and claiming those catches over and over and over again, getting the positioning and footwork right every time, making the right decisions. The vast majority of saves any goalie makes are saves they *should* be making... you can't use one or two (or even three or five or eight) of them as evidence of a keeper having a good game if he then lets someone pass it past him or obligingly presents the ball at a forward's feet for a goal. That's just the lot of a keeper unfortunately. It's even true of goalies who make extraordinary saves.. Jordan Pickford has made some of the most jaw-droppingly elastic saves I've ever seen, as well as what I consider to be one of the best ever penalty saves vs Jorginho, but I still don't really trust him overall because he's too jittery. This is just an observation btw, not really commenting on Bonham necessarily (I think he's useless whatever happens :
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Post by marwood on Nov 29, 2023 14:20:38 GMT
Don't like him being made a scapegoat. He's an okay, modestly paid ( by football standards!) , number 2 . Likewise with Jordan Thompson. The modestly paid back up players have been okay . It's the first team big hitters on top money like Gayle and Baker , where it's all gone wrong. I would rather Lowe play up front than Gayle and he must be on a fraction of Gayle's wages . Likewise, some of the comments seem personal, and Its not nice to witness. He comes over as a decent bloke Having said that, given this extended run of uninterrupted 1st team Champ experience, if he cant cut it this December, he never will at this level
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Nov 29, 2023 15:26:15 GMT
Pulled off 2 great saves last night but few mention them as it goes against their agenda. He's the least of our problems, he is what he is, an average keeper but not as awful as many go out their way to make out.
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Post by robin1302 on Nov 29, 2023 15:40:21 GMT
Pulled off 2 great saves last night but few mention them as it goes against their agenda. He's the least of our problems, he is what he is, an average keeper but not as awful as many go out their way to make out. He really isn't the least of our problems is he? Not having a decent goalkeeper has been one of our main issues for a good few years now.
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Post by pottersrule on Nov 29, 2023 15:50:04 GMT
Pulled off 2 great saves last night but few mention them as it goes against their agenda. He's the least of our problems, he is what he is, an average keeper but not as awful as many go out their way to make out. He really isn't the least of our problems is he? Not having a decent goalkeeper has been one of our main issues for a good few years now. Not having a decent keeper certainly haven’t been the issue this season.We are incredibly inconsistent and have a team that lacks any identity.The keeper position certainly hasn’t been a negative since Bonham has come in for the last half dozen games,where we could have got ourselves on the fringes of the play offs it wasn’t for our hopeless performances in the last 3 games.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Nov 29, 2023 16:03:26 GMT
Pulled off 2 great saves last night but few mention them as it goes against their agenda. He's the least of our problems, he is what he is, an average keeper but not as awful as many go out their way to make out. He really isn't the least of our problems is he? Not having a decent goalkeeper has been one of our main issues for a good few years now. I'd say the 4 there infront of him are more of a problem and the reason we leak so may shit goals. We had a decent keeper in Travers but he got recalled and he'll be back or replaced. Bonham is purely back up and I don't expect him to be a starter come January.
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Post by Ron on Nov 29, 2023 16:43:27 GMT
I said at the start of the season that we simply could not go intot the season with the possibility of him getting serious minutes. Low and behold it’s a disaster when he does. The new contract was a joke. Why do we as a club and a set of fans settle for individuals who are not good enough?? A reputation from a cringy song a pen save So bored of the whole hysteria over Bonham. How in any way shape or form has his form been disastrous this season? Arguably the 2 mistakes he's made (Blackburn and QPR) were games we'd already lost. Such an over reaction, shame Ben Pearson doesn't get the same scrutiny despite him being the midfielder enforcer that was going to take us to the next level................ he’s just not good enough. Fact. Stop settling for shite.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 29, 2023 16:59:48 GMT
So bored of the whole hysteria over Bonham. How in any way shape or form has his form been disastrous this season? Arguably the 2 mistakes he's made (Blackburn and QPR) were games we'd already lost. Such an over reaction, shame Ben Pearson doesn't get the same scrutiny despite him being the midfielder enforcer that was going to take us to the next level................ he’s just not good enough. Fact. Stop settling for shite. But you used the word "disaster" Which is just hyperbolic nonsense............
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 29, 2023 17:03:23 GMT
No matter who you are in the Championship,you are not getting promoted with a Div 1/2 goalkeeper,either has a Number 1 or 2.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 29, 2023 17:10:19 GMT
No matter who you are in the Championship,you are not getting promoted with a Div 1/2 goalkeeper,either has a Number 1 or 2. We're not get promoted with Manuel Nauer between the sticks......
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Nov 29, 2023 17:33:17 GMT
Don't like him being made a scapegoat. He's an okay, modestly paid ( by football standards!) , number 2 . Likewise with Jordan Thompson. The modestly paid back up players have been okay . It's the first team big hitters on top money like Gayle and Baker , where it's all gone wrong. I would rather Lowe play up front than Gayle and he must be on a fraction of Gayle's wages . Nah they’re all shite, irrespective of salary
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Post by TinkerT on Nov 29, 2023 19:07:53 GMT
Could be worse, we could have onana. Jesus what a shit keeper 😂
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Post by roylandstoke on Nov 29, 2023 19:13:33 GMT
Do you think we could flog him to Man Utd?
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Nov 29, 2023 21:55:50 GMT
No matter who you are in the Championship,you are not getting promoted with a Div 1/2 goalkeeper,either has a Number 1 or 2. Sheffield Utd got promoted with Adam Davies at #2 and there's plenty of 'experts' at Stoke who reckoned he was shite too. The problem is in the dug out, not between the sticks.
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 29, 2023 22:12:17 GMT
No matter who you are in the Championship,you are not getting promoted with a Div 1/2 goalkeeper,either has a Number 1 or 2. Sheffield Utd got promoted with Adam Davies at #2 and there's plenty of 'experts' at Stoke who reckoned he was shite too. The problem is in the dug out, not between the sticks. Exactly. Man City aren’t going to win the league with Ortega as number one (they certainly wouldn’t with Carson either), but he played a couple of games for them last season. The problem isn’t Bonham, it’s needing Bonham for about a third of a season.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Nov 29, 2023 22:13:39 GMT
I said at the start of the season that we simply could not go intot the season with the possibility of him getting serious minutes. Low and behold it’s a disaster when he does. The new contract was a joke. Why do we as a club and a set of fans settle for individuals who are not good enough?? A reputation from a cringy song a pen save Why has it been a 'disaster"? His stats are not hugely dissimilar to Travers in that he's conceded 1.42 goals per game compared to Travers 1.33. Whilst Bonham has kept 3 clean sheets (out of 7) to Travers 2 (out of 15).
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 29, 2023 22:29:35 GMT
No matter who you are in the Championship,you are not getting promoted with a Div 1/2 goalkeeper,either has a Number 1 or 2. Sheffield Utd got promoted with Adam Davies at #2 and there's plenty of 'experts' at Stoke who reckoned he was shite too. The problem is in the dug out, not between the sticks. Adam Davies played 1 game for them, very badly. It’s fine having a crap 2nd choice keeper so long as they don’t have to play very often. Bonham has played far too many games for us and has invariably been found badly wanting
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 29, 2023 22:40:55 GMT
Pulled off 2 great saves last night but few mention them as it goes against their agenda. He's the least of our problems, he is what he is, an average keeper but not as awful as many go out their way to make out. He’s fucking shit
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Nov 29, 2023 23:29:49 GMT
Pulled off 2 great saves last night but few mention them as it goes against their agenda. He's the least of our problems, he is what he is, an average keeper but not as awful as many go out their way to make out. He’s fucking shit I can only imagine his disappointment at reading the Oatcake’s resident bellend’s review 🤣
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Post by kustokie on Nov 29, 2023 23:51:01 GMT
It's not about his saves though is it? Correct me if I'm wrong but that's the basics of his job. The issues are his kicking is atrocious, nobody has any idea where it will go, and we haven't pressed the opposition since he came in. IMO this demonstrates a lack of trust from the manager and the players, we're playing deeper, so we aren't playing the raking diagonal balls we were against Sunderland and Leeds which were so effective. It's not his fault, but we have to remember he was released by Gillingham, so was never going to be great, the club made an almighty error not signing a better keeper permanently in the summer, and have now compounded it by giving him an extension that 2 (lucky) clean sheets didn't warrant His kicking used be poor but it’s one area of his game he has improved tremendously. His quick outlet passes to Vittigal were excellent and something they obviously worked on.
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 30, 2023 0:13:08 GMT
He had a good game last night. I felt sorry for him.
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Post by hotpot on Nov 30, 2023 0:57:11 GMT
Mark Birighitti (Dundee Utd) is available. He's a good goalkeeper that we should take a look at.
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Post by idle on Nov 30, 2023 8:44:46 GMT
Got to communicate better for the 3rd and stop Pearson. Sorry, but the only wanker responsible for the 3rd goal was Hoever.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2023 19:01:50 GMT
Pulled off 2 great saves last night but few mention them as it goes against their agenda. He's the least of our problems, he is what he is, an average keeper but not as awful as many go out their way to make out. He’s fucking shit Your opinion. The sentinel player rating v QPR " Bonham: Two super one-on-one saves to keep Stoke in the game in the first half, making himself big as he rushed off his line. 7 " He is a second choice keeper. He is not going to play like a first team keeper on 20 grand a week ( Travers ) "Shit " his harsh for a second choice keeper playing behind a shambolic defense .
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 30, 2023 19:06:56 GMT
He’s done nothing wrong since Travers’ injury. Made 3 excellent saves against QPR, distribution was fine especially that superb 70 yard ball to Bae first half and his handling has been fine. Wrong footed for the fourth probably but there is so many things worse than Bonhams current form. He’s done really well since he’s come back in
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 30, 2023 19:31:06 GMT
I'm in the camp that thought that Bonham is a poor goalkeeper but was pleasantly surprised by his performances in the last five games. I thought that I would introduce some stats as an objective measure to show how surprisingly good he has been. Post-shot xG gives you the likelihood of a shot going in based on where it hits the goal. PSxG of 1 means a guaranteed goal, PSxG of 0 means it never goes in. Dykes' penalty had an xG of 0.79 (likelihood of a penalty being scored generally) but was struck so well that its PSxG was 0.99 - virtually unstoppable. I thought that it would be fair to show how well Bonham has played by comparing the goals conceded to the total PSxG in each game. If we have a higher PSxG than goals conceded, then Bonham is doing well and saving us goals compared to an average goalkeeper. If the other way around, then he's costing us goals. I was a little bit surprised by what I found. fbref.com/en/players/3539472e/Jack-BonhamMiddlesbrough had a PSxG of 1.1 and we kept a clean sheet, so Bonham did well in that game and saved us a goal. Cardiff and Coventry had PSxG of 0.5 and 0.2, respectively, so I think you would generally expect a clean sheet in those games without some kind of howler. That suggests to me that the credit for the clean sheet is very much with the players in front of him who did a very effective job of shielding the goal. We had a PSxG of 2.3 against Blackburn and of 2.8 against QPR, but conceded 3 and 4 in those games. So for all the good saves he appeared to make, we were still worse off than if the world's most average goalkeeper had been in goal. I was genuinely surprised by that. I thought he had done ok, barring the howler against Blackburn. As for his status as an adequate backup, I make no comment except that the stats suggest that of all the goalkeepers to play in our league in the last 365 days, 96% have a better save percentage and 73% are better in terms of PSxG - GA. Having said all of that, I would like to finish with a note to say that I don't believe that he is by any means the primary reason for our recent defeats, or goalscoring problems.
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Nov 30, 2023 19:55:49 GMT
That's "save" that cost us the second goal against Blackburn was so shocking that I have no faith in him whatsoever.
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Post by roylandstoke on Nov 30, 2023 20:15:20 GMT
He made a howler for Blackburn's second goal.
Apart from that he has done everything pretty well. I can't think of another goal that you could put down simply to bad goalkeeping. He is the second choice keeper for, what is currently, a poor underperforming, Championship team; I can't imagine there are many clubs in the same position with a second choice keeper who is never at fault for a goal.
He has been clearly at fault for one goal since he became starter, Last night he made two saves when the odds were clearly in the strikers favour. Somebody on here has actually slagged him off for failing to save a penalty.
Our recruitment team chose to sign a loan keeper as first choice and to cover him with a very obvious second choice keeper. I don't think we can really expect better from Bonham.
We don't really have any cover at CB or LB either. Our manager and his recruitment team have a lot to answer for.
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Post by kustokie on Nov 30, 2023 23:34:11 GMT
Bonham is a decent mid-table (at best) championship goalkeeper behind a god-awful defense. Consequently he’s not expected to be perfect; he’ll face a lot of shots and make mistakes. It could have been 3-0 at ht vs QOR if he hadn’t bailed out the garbage in front of him.
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