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Post by biglad180 on Nov 12, 2023 12:11:51 GMT
i think given a free roll to roam up top with vidigal we would cause defences headaches after all we do not have a prolific striker up top,maybe put a fit Mmaaee in the middle ang let the other 2 roam, also start Bae from the off for johnson
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Post by march4 on Nov 12, 2023 12:32:48 GMT
We desperately need a strong goalscorer to lead the line. Been waiting 20 years... BT and Ric were both strong goalscorers who led the line well.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Nov 12, 2023 12:48:38 GMT
Are we opening a zoo? We seem to be collecting a lot of elephants at the moment.
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Post by lordb on Nov 12, 2023 12:52:09 GMT
BT and Ric were both strong goalscorers who led the line well. 15 years then
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Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 12, 2023 12:55:45 GMT
Yes it's not just Gayle Mmaee is clearly a good player but Injured a lot so far, jury has to be out on whether he is the answer Wes is supposed to be the option off the bench, worked well v Leeds but has had to be used as a starter too often plus (with Gayle) very expensive wages Campbell on a good day is by far our best striker but we see lots of games where he is woeful, also injured a lot and looks set to leave Lowe and Tezgel are good prospects, probably want one to go out on loan in January All in all one of it works I think till January if Mmaee can get a run of games we should get a better idea of whether he is going to score regularly or not I think Mmaee has somehow got better in most people’s minds as our other options have been exposed he’s actually a massive fanny for his size. Such players don’t tend to be successful in this league. He might adapt, look in the mirror and grow a pair but I wouldn’t put a pound on it. He’s played in about 7 games for crying out loud.
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Post by kustokie on Nov 12, 2023 13:15:55 GMT
i would like to see haskabanovic given ago he did not come to sit on the bench,lets give him a run he might be a good option,, He wasn’t on the bench yesterday, is he injured? Apparently he was “rested”. Rested for what is head-scratchingly odd. Unless he was rested for the international break. After three wins in a row I said I’d start to believe if we beat Cardiff. Now I am back on the side of the skeptics. Sunderland are doing fine without him and we’re sputtering. We weren’t expected to get much out of the previous 5 games, so 11 points out of 15 is promotion form, but our performances have dropped precipitously against arguably easier opposition in the last two.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 12, 2023 13:17:22 GMT
He wasn’t on the bench yesterday, is he injured? Apparently he was “rested”. Rested for what is head-scratchingly odd. Unless he was rested for the international break. After three wins in a row I said I’d start to believe if we beat Cardiff. Now I am back on the side of the skeptics. Sunderland are doing fine without him and we’re sputtering. We weren’t expected to get much out of the previous 5 games, so 11 points out of 15 is promotion form, but our performances have dropped precipitously against arguably easier opposition in the last two. Rested? That’s an odd one, he’s barely played.
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Post by baconburger on Nov 12, 2023 13:20:11 GMT
I think Mmaee has somehow got better in most people’s minds as our other options have been exposed he’s actually a massive fanny for his size. Such players don’t tend to be successful in this league. He might adapt, look in the mirror and grow a pair but I wouldn’t put a pound on it. He’s played in about 7 games for crying out loud. And it’s quite clear he’s struggling to adapt to the pace and physicality here and it’s not due to lack of stature. Sometimes technically proficient players just can’t adapt (Joselu) I think Mmaee has a similar problem. Happy to be proved wrong but this bollox that it’s too soon to form an opinion is just that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2023 13:29:05 GMT
FB ref com
Dwight Gayle Championship 23 -24
MP 7
Min 231
Gls 0
Ast 0
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 12, 2023 13:31:56 GMT
The biggest myth about Gayle is that his age shouldn’t affect his finishing. People seem to think “slowing down” literally only applies to the speed you can run at and nothing else. But it applies to every movement you make, an overall degradation of speed and suppleness.. every little flick or touch is that microsecond slower, your foot won’t quite bend to the right position quick enough, you can’t quite jump as high or retain your balance as speedily and of course that affects finishing capabilities - maybe even particularly so if you still have it in your head that you *can* do it…
Once Gayle was good, now he’s useless and it’s because he’s old.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2023 13:44:10 GMT
The biggest myth about Gayle is that his age shouldn’t affect his finishing. People seem to think “slowing down” literally only applies to the speed you can run at and nothing else. But it applies to every movement you make, an overall degradation of speed and suppleness.. every little flick or touch is that microsecond slower, your foot won’t quite bend to the right position quick enough, you can’t quite jump as high or retain your balance as speedily and of course that affects finishing capabilities - maybe even particularly so if you still have it in your head that you *can* do it… Once Gayle was good, now he’s useless and it’s because he’s old. Even from a dead ball . Le Tissier v James ward prowse. As le tiss says ..." Youth wins "
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Post by spiderpuss on Nov 12, 2023 14:24:44 GMT
I think we've seen more than enough of Dwight to come to the conclusion he really isn't going to help us kick on up the league. He's not a prolific goalscorer, if he's a goal scorer at all. He makes an effort sure, but we need much more in that position. Surely one to move on as soon as.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 12, 2023 14:31:58 GMT
He’s more or less on Pericard levels when it comes to his goals return, he doesn’t press well and is usually in an offside position because he doesn’t read the back line pushing up.
I think there’s a certain sunk cost fallacy coming into play when people defend him, he’s been a passenger for almost the entirety of his time here and continues to be a waste of a selection.
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Post by cousindupree on Nov 12, 2023 15:00:26 GMT
He is a really poor forward option for any team with ambitions of top half finish. He is heading for Berahino territory of 3 golas in 51 appearances. Currently 3 goals in 42 games. It's a shockingly bad record. We desperately need something better.
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Post by jaybee on Nov 12, 2023 16:26:55 GMT
Apparently he was “rested”. Rested for what is head-scratchingly odd. Unless he was rested for the international break. After three wins in a row I said I’d start to believe if we beat Cardiff. Now I am back on the side of the skeptics. Sunderland are doing fine without him and we’re sputtering. We weren’t expected to get much out of the previous 5 games, so 11 points out of 15 is promotion form, but our performances have dropped precipitously against arguably easier opposition in the last two. Rested? That’s an odd one, he’s barely played. What's wrong with Haksabonvic? Neil: "He's just got a little issue with his groin. He pulled up in training on Thursday and we'll see how he is."
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Post by march4 on Nov 12, 2023 16:39:24 GMT
There is no doubt that these last couple of clean sheets have in no small part been due to Gayle’s endless and intelligent running when the opposition have the ball. It was more than obvious last weekend it turned from an even game to one favouring the opposition when Gayle went off.
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Post by milky on Nov 12, 2023 16:44:53 GMT
There is no doubt that these last couple of clean sheets have in no small part been due to Gayle’s endless and intelligent running when the opposition have the ball. It was more than obvious last weekend it turned from an even game to one favouring the opposition when Gayle went off. Call me old fashioned but I'd rather see him pick a forward with the primary intent on enhancing us as an attacking force ,not more for his defensive abilities.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 12, 2023 16:52:36 GMT
Looking at his stats his scoring average before we signed him was a goal every 2.3 games. For us it’s been a goal every 14 games. We seem to be a graveyard for many decent strikers
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 12, 2023 17:02:09 GMT
Apparently he was “rested”. Rested for what is head-scratchingly odd. Unless he was rested for the international break. After three wins in a row I said I’d start to believe if we beat Cardiff. Now I am back on the side of the skeptics. Sunderland are doing fine without him and we’re sputtering. We weren’t expected to get much out of the previous 5 games, so 11 points out of 15 is promotion form, but our performances have dropped precipitously against arguably easier opposition in the last two. Rested? That’s an odd one, he’s barely played. He’s used that much energy cutting back on his right foot, then back then back again then passing it backwards it must have caught up with him. I’m surprised his left foot is strong enough to even stand on
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Post by Picasso on Nov 12, 2023 17:07:11 GMT
With so many elephants in the room, it seems we have a mammoth task on our hands.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 12, 2023 17:07:13 GMT
How many elephants can we fit in this room?
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Post by pushon on Nov 12, 2023 17:20:12 GMT
BT and Ric were both strong goalscorers who led the line well. Strong is the operative word, Gayle is a lightweight.
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Post by chamberlain on Nov 12, 2023 17:22:48 GMT
Gayle has been finished for a good while.
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Post by BuckRogers on Nov 12, 2023 19:42:33 GMT
Until we get a decent striker in similar to Ric would be nice. I just can't see us ever getting promoted. It's been the major problem since we've been relegated
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Post by TinkerT on Nov 12, 2023 19:45:47 GMT
Looking at his stats his scoring average before we signed him was a goal every 2.3 games. For us it’s been a goal every 14 games. We seem to be a graveyard for many decent strikers I'm not saying his movement is great but what are people expecting when we have Daniel fucking Johnson in the attacking midfielder role? The bloke can barely create anything let alone even score. For a club with ambition of play offs at least he should be a squad player, he doesn't create enough.
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Post by AlliG on Nov 12, 2023 19:52:39 GMT
How can Gayle be the "elephant in the room"?
It seems to me that just about everyone discusses in great detail the flaws in Gayle's game every time he sets foot on the pitch.
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Post by smallthorner on Nov 12, 2023 20:07:20 GMT
He deffo needs a number 10 with him. Sliding balls through. His offside ratio is so high because DJ is so slow seeing the moment. Wonder if Bannan from SW could do a job for half a season Or is he well past it.?
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Post by hoppo96 on Nov 12, 2023 20:09:08 GMT
i sort of get why he plays over us, but he's ineffectual and too old now. His goals to games record for us is worse than Vincent Pericard's.
When we start him it's like we're half a man down. No wonder it's 16 goals in 16 games.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Nov 13, 2023 17:25:36 GMT
Unfortunately he looks completely shot.
He looks devoid of confidence in front of goal and is very inconsistent with his hold up play.
I can see why AN is using him - a mobile(ish) striker to help facilitate a higher press - but the last couple of years suggests that Gayle is entering the twilight of his career.
A new striker must be one of our priorities in January.
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Post by Los Alfareros on Nov 13, 2023 17:48:31 GMT
There is no doubt that these last couple of clean sheets have in no small part been due to Gayle’s endless and intelligent running when the opposition have the ball. It was more than obvious last weekend it turned from an even game to one favouring the opposition when Gayle went off. I get mixed up with you "superposters", as in who actually understands football opposed to the fishermen... But mate, this is a wind up right?? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
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