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Post by Northy on Oct 26, 2023 16:07:54 GMT
With reference to terraced streets. Even if you put charging points in, will you be able to get close enough to charge your car? What about those who live in blocks of flats? What if you’re leaving your car for several hours in a field at say, an air show, how do these cars get charged up? What about farmers in fields miles from anything? What about the random building sites that pop up. You could go on with more examples of how impractical it is to recharge a EV’s batteries. JCB are going down the hydrogen route www.jcb.com/en-gb/campaigns/hydrogen/hydrogen-truckin The ones on lamppost have bays marked for EV vehicles only so you should be able to get close, unless some twat without an EV parks up in them. Blocks of flats, nearby chargers. Air show, use zapmap to find nearby chargers, or if you aren't travelling far you wont need to charge up, there isn't any petrol stations at air shows or in farmers fields is there?
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Post by adri2008 on Oct 27, 2023 10:01:16 GMT
Paying an extra £10k+ for the EV equivalent of the same car just isn't feasible for a lot of people. The price needs to come down a lot further before mass adoption will take place.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 27, 2023 10:11:17 GMT
Paying an extra £10k+ for the EV equivalent of the same car just isn't feasible for a lot of people. The price needs to come down a lot further before mass adoption will take place. The other problem is depreciation of EV value. I guess it makes it hard for dealers to offer PCP type sales given the value of EVs drops off a cliff after a couple of years. No way I'd go full electric till I can see they've actually got a decent long term functional product. No chance.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Oct 27, 2023 18:36:11 GMT
Technology hasn't moved on, there was diesel cars in the 80s that were doing 50-60 to the gallon
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 27, 2023 23:55:18 GMT
Paying an extra £10k+ for the EV equivalent of the same car just isn't feasible for a lot of people. The price needs to come down a lot further before mass adoption will take place. That's why it made sense for Tesla etc to start off with "premium". There are lots of folk with money and who want to show off, let them buy the expensive things first. I'm looking forwards to being free from petrol but know it'll be a few years yet before they're in my price range.
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 28, 2023 0:00:53 GMT
Went through a part of LA full of garages recently and there were loads of billboards for oil changes, mufflers, belts, filters etc that will be a thing of the past. EVs still need tires, brakes and AC I guess. The US government says they're spending 40% less maintaining each EV than petrol. That's a good sign for drivers but not for mechanics.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Oct 28, 2023 14:57:02 GMT
I went through the Longton Area recently and didn't see any garages advertising for this type of work.
I seen a que of full EVs waiting for chargers,,,
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 28, 2023 15:00:02 GMT
Technology hasn't moved on, there was diesel cars in the 80s that were doing 50-60 to the gallon Its moved on in the sense that there are way way less pollutants coming out of cars. Night and day compared to the 80s. The media pay no attention to this fact however.
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 28, 2023 15:06:12 GMT
Technology hasn't moved on, there was diesel cars in the 80s that were doing 50-60 to the gallon Its moved on in the sense that there are way way less pollutants coming out of cars. Night and day compared to the 80s. The media pay no attention to this fact however. And cars have got a load bigger too. I know it's everyone's personal choice but the fashion for massive SUVs gets on my tits. Especially when I have to squeeze out of the car at the supermarket and someone who can't park very well has rammed their Sportage in at an angle.
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Post by questionable on Oct 30, 2023 17:57:44 GMT
Strangely enough I had a call over the weekend from the dealership where I had my car from in Crewe 18 months ago asking if I’d like to exchange my car as in their words they had a special deal, which it wasn’t btw.
Wanted to know if I’d be interested in a lesser specification/smaller model for the same monthly repayment, my immediate response was “why would you possibly ask such a stupid question”, stumped him completely only to be told things had gone up in price and he could sort out a competitive “mortgage” rate for me, asked what he meant by a mortgage rate and told it was the monthly payments towards the car…..
I can only think of one car salesman id actually recommended and that’s a chap at the fiat garage In Newcastle, the rest are dodgy as hell.
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 31, 2023 15:32:53 GMT
Strangely enough I had a call over the weekend from the dealership where I had my car from in Crewe 18 months ago asking if I’d like to exchange my car as in their words they had a special deal, which it wasn’t btw. Wanted to know if I’d be interested in a lesser specification/smaller model for the same monthly repayment, my immediate response was “why would you possibly ask such a stupid question”, stumped him completely only to be told things had gone up in price and he could sort out a competitive “mortgage” rate for me, asked what he meant by a mortgage rate and told it was the monthly payments towards the car….. I can only think of one car salesman id actually recommended and that’s a chap at the fiat garage In Newcastle, the rest are dodgy as hell. Out here they're a greasy bunch and I hate dealing with them. They focus everything on the monthly payment and do everything they can find to push you to the limit, some people I know got 84 month payment plans because that way "I can afford the monthly payment". 5 years later and they're getting antsy because they want a new car. It really exploits people who don't like dealing with maths. One dealer got quite hostile when I asked him to just give me the best price.
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Post by questionable on Oct 31, 2023 20:27:38 GMT
Strangely enough I had a call over the weekend from the dealership where I had my car from in Crewe 18 months ago asking if I’d like to exchange my car as in their words they had a special deal, which it wasn’t btw. Wanted to know if I’d be interested in a lesser specification/smaller model for the same monthly repayment, my immediate response was “why would you possibly ask such a stupid question”, stumped him completely only to be told things had gone up in price and he could sort out a competitive “mortgage” rate for me, asked what he meant by a mortgage rate and told it was the monthly payments towards the car….. I can only think of one car salesman id actually recommended and that’s a chap at the fiat garage In Newcastle, the rest are dodgy as hell. Out here they're a greasy bunch and I hate dealing with them. They focus everything on the monthly payment and do everything they can find to push you to the limit, some people I know got 84 month payment plans because that way "I can afford the monthly payment". 5 years later and they're getting antsy because they want a new car. It really exploits people who don't like dealing with maths. One dealer got quite hostile when I asked him to just give me the best price. Love cars, currently have a M235 but the running costs are nuts, £80 last week in fuel. Thinking of having one car between us now. I like the new Defender, other half the Q7 tried to find a compromise by opting for the new M2 but I have no chance of that happening
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 31, 2023 20:47:03 GMT
Out here they're a greasy bunch and I hate dealing with them. They focus everything on the monthly payment and do everything they can find to push you to the limit, some people I know got 84 month payment plans because that way "I can afford the monthly payment". 5 years later and they're getting antsy because they want a new car. It really exploits people who don't like dealing with maths. One dealer got quite hostile when I asked him to just give me the best price. Love cars, currently have a M235 but the running costs are nuts, £80 last week in fuel. Thinking of having one car between us now. I like the new Defender, other half the Q7 tried to find a compromise by opting for the new M2 but I have no chance of that happening If I ever get myself into the position to do it I'm buying the new M3 Touring 😲 And Greta can fook reet off with her how dare yoos 😆
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Post by questionable on Oct 31, 2023 21:09:06 GMT
Love cars, currently have a M235 but the running costs are nuts, £80 last week in fuel. Thinking of having one car between us now. I like the new Defender, other half the Q7 tried to find a compromise by opting for the new M2 but I have no chance of that happening If I ever get myself into the position to do it I'm buying the new M3 Touring 😲 And Greta can fook reet off with her how dare yoos 😆 Dropped a little bit of a clanger as I was offered a brand new M2 competition with a drivers pack, close on 500bhp, worked out an extra £99 a month, looked at a 2020 one a few days ago with 13k miles and it’s 41k 🙄 I’ve had a few M models over the years and they’re seriously good, well insanely good but the other half can’t drive them, crashed one… M3 tourers start at 86k (went to the BMW opening) for the basic model, can’t believe the prices as they’re literally 110k plus across the M range. Brother in law gets 13.5% on Audi family discount via the Bentley scheme, big saving on the wife’s current car.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 31, 2023 21:16:36 GMT
If I ever get myself into the position to do it I'm buying the new M3 Touring 😲 And Greta can fook reet off with her how dare yoos 😆 Dropped a little bit of a clanger as I was offered a brand new M2 competition with a drivers pack, close on 500bhp, worked out an extra £99 a month, looked at a 2020 one a few days ago with 13k miles and it’s 41k 🙄 I’ve had a few M models over the years and they’re seriously good, well insanely good but the other half can’t drive them, crashed one… M3 tourers start at 86k (went to the BMW opening) for the basic model, can’t believe the prices as they’re literally 110k plus across the M range. Brother in law gets 13.5% on Audi family discount via the Bentley scheme, big saving on the wife’s current car. Was never that fussed about cars to be honest. Got a 325d back in about 2007 and literally that day I started liking cars. Bearing in mind I'd come from a mondeo 1.8, decent enough motor, I could not believe how good the BMW was. Every car since has been a BMW. Currently in a 330e which was a slight mistake but okay. Just need a couple of deals to come off and fook it the M3 touring is next. A work of art 😊
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 8, 2023 16:24:05 GMT
Had an Uber ride to LAX in an electric Kia Niro and the lad seemed thrilled with it. His mates had a similar chat about car types and more of them thought hydrogen was the future.
I'm on team EV, I reckon in about 10 years most people will join me.
Whatever happens it's exciting to live through this revolution.
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Post by Northy on Nov 9, 2023 15:19:12 GMT
Had an Uber ride to LAX in an electric Kia Niro and the lad seemed thrilled with it. His mates had a similar chat about car types and more of them thought hydrogen was the future. I'm on team EV, I reckon in about 10 years most people will join me. Whatever happens it's exciting to live through this revolution. Thought it was LA but had to look it up, then got an advert for EV charging there, there's quite a few: - Electric Vehicle Charging Stations Available at LAX EV Charging Locations Following is the new EV charging equipment installed for each CTA garage:
P1 — 100 L2, 2 DCFC P2A — 51 L2, 1 DCFC P2B — 39 L2 P3 — 98 L2, 1 DCFC P4 — 89 L2, 1 DCFC P5 — 60 L2 P6 — 114 L2, 1 DCFC P7 — 186 L2, 2 DCFC (Coming Soon!)
LAX Economy Parking - 305
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 9, 2023 15:43:41 GMT
Thought it was LA but had to look it up, then got an advert for EV charging there, there's quite a few: - Electric Vehicle Charging Stations Available at LAX There's a shitload mate! Most people have parking and there are huge car parks every fking where, it's not like rows of terraces back home where I think it's harder. Work installed 72 spots and they were oversubscribed within like an hour of signups opening. If it doesn't work in LA then it won't work anywhere.
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Post by dexter97 on Nov 9, 2023 16:41:19 GMT
I've been an EV driver for about eight months now. It's a company car so I haven't had to worry about the cost, and at least for the moment, the very low BIK tax penalties means I'm saving a not-insignificant sum even before you start thinking about fuel. Fleet buyers are still the main market for EVs, and their popularity is really taking off among company car drivers, but I still know only a handful of people who've been out and spent their own cash on one.
The driving experience is different and I expect your died-in-the-wool petrolheads are never going to take to it, but I'm hooked. Smooth, quiet, quick off the mark, and as long as you're not after speeds of 100 mph+, I don't know what's not to like. I hate having to drive the missus' car these days.
Fortunately I have a charger at home and they're installed at a few of the sites I visit, so I don't rely heavily on the public facilities - Usually just a 'splash and dash' on the >250 mile round-trips. I have to say though that apart from being ludicrously expensive, my experience of public chargers hasn't been the nightmare that some people would have you believe it is. The most annoying thing about it has been turning up at one I've not used before and having to download a app. I've not queued for one yet or arrived to find them out-of-order.
What remains to be seen is how long before its range / battery life start to suffer. I'm doing over 30k miles a year, so by the time the lease is up it'll be up to 100k. That'll have been a decent test, I think. I'll keep you posted...
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 9, 2023 17:13:31 GMT
I took ownership of a new Volvo XC90 on Tuesday, should have had it last November but it was delayed about 6 times due to the world parts shortage.
First impressions are it's decent, stupidly low battery range though like a lot of the hybrid's but my missus has a full on electric car so I don't feel too guilty about not going the whole hog, I do way too many miles for that anyway........
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 9, 2023 17:30:34 GMT
What remains to be seen is how long before its range / battery life start to suffer. I'm doing over 30k miles a year, so by the time the lease is up it'll be up to 100k. That'll have been a decent test, I think. I'll keep you posted... Would love to hear that mate. It sounds like models are all over the shop. Lots of Teslas are on 150-200k miles with 90%+ of the original battery life. But Nissan Leafs do really bad in places with weather because they didn't install a temperature control system. It's kinda annoying because you find out how good something was 5+ years ago but now the same car has a different type of battery.
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 9, 2023 17:36:46 GMT
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Post by dexter97 on Nov 9, 2023 17:51:44 GMT
I'd have thought one of the biggest issues in countries like the USA is range. I don't think that'll be resolved until they move to hydrogen fuel cells.
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Post by dexter97 on Nov 9, 2023 17:55:21 GMT
What remains to be seen is how long before its range / battery life start to suffer. I'm doing over 30k miles a year, so by the time the lease is up it'll be up to 100k. That'll have been a decent test, I think. I'll keep you posted... Would love to hear that mate. It sounds like models are all over the shop. Lots of Teslas are on 150-200k miles with 90%+ of the original battery life. But Nissan Leafs do really bad in places with weather because they didn't install a temperature control system. It's kinda annoying because you find out how good something was 5+ years ago but now the same car has a different type of battery. Mine's a Cupra Born (basically a smarter-looking VW ID3). I'm keeping very a detailed spreadsheet on mileage and charging, so I'll have some good data.
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 9, 2023 18:43:21 GMT
Mine's a Cupra Born (basically a smarter-looking VW ID3). I'm keeping very a detailed spreadsheet on mileage and charging, so I'll have some good data. You fucking nerd, I love it 😁 I've been leaning Kia but also keeping an eye on VW. You mentioned range in the US and I think it's actually fine for most. 3 hours in LA is about 60 miles lol. The big trips near me are along motorways with fast charging, e.g. LA to SF, Phoenix or Vegas. One of my mates hunts in the Colorado Rockies and he worked out he needs ~300 miles road range to be safe, it'd be a problem in states like Wyoming but thats like 2% of americans.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 9, 2023 18:46:22 GMT
I took ownership of a new Volvo XC90 on Tuesday, should have had it last November but it was delayed about 6 times due to the world parts shortage. First impressions are it's decent, stupidly low battery range though like a lot of the hybrid's but my missus has a full on electric car so I don't feel too guilty about not going the whole hog, I do way too many miles for that anyway........ Presumably you post on here whilst driving if that’s the case
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 9, 2023 19:46:45 GMT
Would love to hear that mate. It sounds like models are all over the shop. Lots of Teslas are on 150-200k miles with 90%+ of the original battery life. But Nissan Leafs do really bad in places with weather because they didn't install a temperature control system. It's kinda annoying because you find out how good something was 5+ years ago but now the same car has a different type of battery. Mine's a Cupra Born (basically a smarter-looking VW ID3). I'm keeping very a detailed spreadsheet on mileage and charging, so I'll have some good data. How very dare you, I've got an ID3 🤣 Bloody love it.
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Post by dave1 on Nov 9, 2023 20:13:04 GMT
I've managed to add an EV add-on to my energy tariff today, 7pence a kwh. Virtually giving it away!
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 10, 2023 12:36:00 GMT
I'd have thought one of the biggest issues in countries like the USA is range. I don't think that'll be resolved until they move to hydrogen fuel cells. Fast charges make it comfortable. My friend drove to us (Raleigh-Charlottesville (over 200 miles)) in a Tesla. He stopped to change his son’s nappy at a gas station with a charging port and was pretty much ready to go by the time it was done. California won’t allow non “zero emissions” cars to be purchased there in 2035. That WILL shift the landscape for manufacturers. They sell about 1.5 million new cars per year there and dominate manufacturers because of it (it’s not cost effective to make the same car in two different ways).
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Post by dexter97 on Nov 10, 2023 12:58:55 GMT
I've managed to add an EV add-on to my energy tariff today, 7pence a kwh. Virtually giving it away! Has there been much of an adjustment to your day rate to get the cheap off-peak tariff?
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