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Post by misterj on Oct 20, 2023 7:26:20 GMT
Shame about the arena idea scrapped, I notice the fanzone at the bet365 stadium will have a stage etc but something in Hanley would have stimulated the city centre - despite everything I STILL think the ring road should be completed so that we don’t resemble a group of people totally mocked and abandoned by National and local governments?
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Post by superjw on Oct 20, 2023 7:35:43 GMT
Not a surprise it’s been canned really, how many regeneration projects and concepts have we now seen for Hanley? It will never happen and the place will continue it’s downward spiral to ruin
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Post by chad on Oct 20, 2023 7:35:53 GMT
Well well. Never saw that coming I know let’s build a car park instead. 🤷♂️
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Post by theonlooker on Oct 20, 2023 7:44:12 GMT
Well well. Never saw that coming I know let’s build a car park instead. 🤷♂️ It's no wonder the people in this city run it down when there is simply no ambition anywhere to drag it upwards. A fish rots from its head and the head of this City has been fetid for decades. We deserve better.
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Post by toppercorner on Oct 20, 2023 9:36:47 GMT
dreadful news. i'm also going to guess that it's the cancer within our city - St Modwen - that will build these modern flats. Anything they produce is lowest common design, and will dreadful in about 3 years with cheap materials degrading quickly.
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Post by misterj on Oct 20, 2023 9:53:11 GMT
St Modwen have pulled out of the Trentham Estate haven’t they? (Which I would have thought was akin to printing money) They want to focus on ‘housing’ - there’s obviously even more money in doing that!! But wouldn’t SM have to put in tender to build city council needs and therefore have competitors? Or will the council always choose SM because of cost?!
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Post by cdf on Oct 20, 2023 10:14:24 GMT
I actually agree with the council that an arena should not be built. People will say that it's a lack of ambition but for something that is going to cost 10's of millions to build,I personally do not think that we would recoup any of the money for many many years to come if at all. First of all, Stoke on Trent is not seen to be a tour destination for most artists / bands that are touring. How many of them can we pull in per year that can attract selling 3000 + tickets each time? Shed Seven are playing on Monday night at the Victoria Hall which is a capacity of 1467 and its no where near to selling out. That says everything to me. We would also be asking those touring bands to give up playing a date in Birmingham, Manchester or Liverpool to play Stoke which they will not do. Don't get me wrong, I thing their are things that the council can do to start putting the city on the map to attract big artists to play the area but I think that they should learn to walk before they start running.
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Post by werrington on Oct 20, 2023 10:21:55 GMT
I actually agree with the council that an arena should not be built. People will say that it's a lack of ambition but for something that is going to cost 10's of millions to build,I personally do not think that we would recoup any of the money for many many years to come if at all. First of all, Stoke on Trent is not seen to be a tour destination for most artists / bands that are touring. How many of them can we pull in per year that can attract selling 3000 + tickets each time? Shed Seven are playing on Monday night at the Victoria Hall which is a capacity of 1467 and its no where near to selling out. That says everything to me. We would also be asking those touring bands to give up playing a date in Birmingham, Manchester or Liverpool to play Stoke which they will not do. Don't get me wrong, I thing their are things that the council can do to start putting the city on the map to attract big artists to play the area but I think that they should learn to walk before they start running. Nonsense ……it would generate pubs and restaurants etc and would revitalise the city centre then the rest would follow It’s potentially the final nail in Hanleys coffin and the city council ( whoever is in control) continue to take its people for absolute mugs and they all sit there and take it with a shrug of the shoulders Shame on them
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 20, 2023 10:25:25 GMT
I actually agree with the council that an arena should not be built. People will say that it's a lack of ambition but for something that is going to cost 10's of millions to build,I personally do not think that we would recoup any of the money for many many years to come if at all. First of all, Stoke on Trent is not seen to be a tour destination for most artists / bands that are touring. How many of them can we pull in per year that can attract selling 3000 + tickets each time? Shed Seven are playing on Monday night at the Victoria Hall which is a capacity of 1467 and its no where near to selling out. That says everything to me. We would also be asking those touring bands to give up playing a date in Birmingham, Manchester or Liverpool to play Stoke which they will not do. Don't get me wrong, I thing their are things that the council can do to start putting the city on the map to attract big artists to play the area but I think that they should learn to walk before they start running. You surely haven't seen Field of Dreams then chief. Build it and they will come.......hopefully 😆 Yeah can see your point. However if the thing can be multi purposed for various uses it could generate sufficient cash to keep it alive whilst its reputation builds. It would at least show some ambition and maybe throw some positivity into the area. I think that's what other posters are imagining. I dunno. But the council needs to begin putting stoke somewhere on the map before we really do disappear into total insignificance. And if Stokes owners could sort their shit out having a Premier league team is a massive boost to the economy. Massive. They have a responsibility to facilitate this and at least produce a side that competes rather than looking like they'll be playing 3rd tier footy next season. 😔
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Post by lordb on Oct 20, 2023 10:28:41 GMT
Could have the best organised council going but given their budget no major infrastructure development is going to occur without either huge funding from central government or from the private sector
Completely agree with the comments re St Modwen
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Post by werrington on Oct 20, 2023 10:31:39 GMT
The only winners are the train companies as they’ll continue to take hordes of people out of the city to Manchester,Liverpool and Birmingham every weekend
Uttoxeter people go into Derby, Congleton into Manchester and Market Drayton into Shrewsbury
There’s nothing to draw anybody into Hanley and the last chance saloon has been blown for more fucking houses who’ll shop at Poundland
We should all be very fucking angry
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 20, 2023 10:36:06 GMT
The Arena could host futsal tournaments as one example. Basketball, boxing events maybe. A massively growing game futsal and they struggle for decent venues. I've watched established teams playing in local gyms and all sorts of below par venues. Maybe the council could fund a Stoke area futsal team perhaps. At least someone in the council should show some ambition. Anything, something.
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Post by elystokie on Oct 20, 2023 10:41:53 GMT
The Arena could host futsal tournaments as one example. Basketball, boxing events maybe. A massively growing game futsal and they struggle for decent venues. I've watched established teams playing in local gyms and all sorts of below par venues. Maybe the council could fund a Stoke area futsal team perhaps. At least someone in the council should show some ambition. Anything, something. I think live video gaming has a big future and we're ideally placed geographically for that and other things. I wouldn't be opposed to futsal tho, love it, spent every Sunday lunchtime playing it in a pub in Pompey for a good while and had a table at home as a kid.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 20, 2023 10:49:35 GMT
The Arena could host futsal tournaments as one example. Basketball, boxing events maybe. A massively growing game futsal and they struggle for decent venues. I've watched established teams playing in local gyms and all sorts of below par venues. Maybe the council could fund a Stoke area futsal team perhaps. At least someone in the council should show some ambition. Anything, something. I think live video gaming has a big future and we're ideally placed geographically that and other things. I wouldn't be opposed to futsal tho, love it, spent every Sunday lunchtime playing it in a pub in Pompey for a good while and had a table at home as a kid. I meant the actual Brazilian 5 a side style game. It's defo a growing sport. Loads of failed academy kids getting into it and the standard is becoming incredible. Teams all over the country popping up. Often on BT/TNT Sport nowadays. And they often play in school gyms and shit as there are very few decent venues. My lad plays in a junior league in Manchester and often plays at the national cycling centre. Not a bad venue to be fair but a new arena could be designed to accommodate stuff like this. Maybe not futsal but as you say gaming conventions perhaps. There's loads of things they could attract I reckon with a bit of imagination. Something our council lacks.
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Post by cdf on Oct 20, 2023 10:53:50 GMT
I actually agree with the council that an arena should not be built. People will say that it's a lack of ambition but for something that is going to cost 10's of millions to build,I personally do not think that we would recoup any of the money for many many years to come if at all. First of all, Stoke on Trent is not seen to be a tour destination for most artists / bands that are touring. How many of them can we pull in per year that can attract selling 3000 + tickets each time? Shed Seven are playing on Monday night at the Victoria Hall which is a capacity of 1467 and its no where near to selling out. That says everything to me. We would also be asking those touring bands to give up playing a date in Birmingham, Manchester or Liverpool to play Stoke which they will not do. Don't get me wrong, I thing their are things that the council can do to start putting the city on the map to attract big artists to play the area but I think that they should learn to walk before they start running. Nonsense ……it would generate pubs and restaurants etc and would revitalise the city centre then the rest would follow It’s potentially the final nail in Hanleys coffin and the city council ( whoever is in control) continue to take its people for absolute mugs and they all sit there and take it with a shrug of the shoulders Shame on them of course an arena would generate pubs & restaurants but how long will they be viable for because no one will come. You think by just building an arena then it all falls magically into place, it doesn't. The crux of it is that none of the big players that put on tours want to come to Stoke on Trent
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Post by werrington on Oct 20, 2023 10:59:08 GMT
Nonsense ……it would generate pubs and restaurants etc and would revitalise the city centre then the rest would follow It’s potentially the final nail in Hanleys coffin and the city council ( whoever is in control) continue to take its people for absolute mugs and they all sit there and take it with a shrug of the shoulders Shame on them of course an arena would generate pubs & restaurants but how long will they be viable for because no one will come. You think by just building an arena then it all falls magically into place, it doesn't. The crux of it is that none of the big players that put on tours want to come to Stoke on Trent Of course they’ll come if there’s an event they want to watch Leicester was full a few weeks ago with not just Stoke fans but more importantly to the conversation with people from outside the city going to the darts later in the evening….we spoke to 4 different parties Yeah that’s right ….Leicester
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Post by misterj on Oct 20, 2023 11:09:56 GMT
The comments on here show that people are emotionally invested in this city, which is great! Perhaps I’ll copy & paste some of the comments and pass onto the council, might make some impression? The bit where someone said ppl from Uttoxeter go to Derby, yes I’ve had first hand experience of that working in a school in uttoxeter: me “hey great train links to stoke & Derby, which one would you go to for shopping or to go to college etc?” Virtually 100% reply “Derby!!” Another example: me (working in a school in Stone) “great train links to Stoke and Stafford, which one would you use to go shopping or the cinema or to consider college future?” Virtually 100% of them: “Stafford!!” Something needs to change or do you think we get some kudos from being the ‘sick man of Staffordshire’ (like Millwall used to say: no one likes us, we don’t care’. Funnily enough the Stoke South & Stoke North MP’s seem really proactive but after yesterday’s two by elections I suspect their days are numbered!!
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Post by elystokie on Oct 20, 2023 12:00:03 GMT
The comments on here show that people are emotionally invested in this city, which is great! Perhaps I’ll copy & paste some of the comments and pass onto the council, might make some impression? The bit where someone said ppl from Uttoxeter go to Derby, yes I’ve had first hand experience of that working in a school in uttoxeter: me “hey great train links to stoke & Derby, which one would you go to for shopping or to go to college etc?” Virtually 100% reply “Derby!!” Another example: me (working in a school in Stone) “great train links to Stoke and Stafford, which one would you use to go shopping or the cinema or to consider college future?” Virtually 100% of them: “Stafford!!” Something needs to change or do you think we get some kudos from being the ‘sick man of Staffordshire’ (like Millwall used to say: no one likes us, we don’t care’. Funnily enough the Stoke South & Stoke North MP’s seem really proactive but after yesterday’s two by elections I suspect their days are numbered!! Stoke North obviously, I'll be surprised if Gullis stands, but given his seemingly complete lack of self awareness.. Brereton might have an outside chance.
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Post by toppercorner on Oct 20, 2023 12:43:22 GMT
St Modwen have pulled out of the Trentham Estate haven’t they? (Which I would have thought was akin to printing money) They want to focus on ‘housing’ - there’s obviously even more money in doing that!! But wouldn’t SM have to put in tender to build city council needs and therefore have competitors? Or will the council always choose SM because of cost?! they've probably pulled out because there are building standards and regulations that would have to be met, and the estate quite rightly won't let them butcher its grounds. They have destroyed all our heritage. They buy sites, let them fall into ruin, and build housing that requires no real design, it's 'off the peg' houses for a city with no ambition. Look what they did to Royal Doulton. Any other company would have at least kept the facades, and built around it, keeping part of heritage alive. They won't do that as it costs money and requires foresight. They hold a number of key sites around the city, won't sell them to those that actually want to regenerate, and are doing the same in waiting for them to collapse before they build poor quality housing. No trees, no design, just tarmac. There is an extraordinarily close relationship between a number of key people that should actually be looked at in detail. They should be held accountable for how they have ruined this city.
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Post by misterj on Oct 20, 2023 14:12:30 GMT
Didn’t they hold onto the old Vic Ground site for years waiting for the value to rise?
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Post by hoppo96 on Oct 20, 2023 15:04:57 GMT
sad but probably the right decision. I don't think you can justify spending a relatively high sum of money on building an arena where they clearly doubt the business case for that.
Most events that could come to SOT can easily go to Lpool, Manc, Brum, Notts etc. People aren't going those places sighing at the fact they can't go to Stoke-on-Trent instead.
There's another world in which the Labour council goes ahead and is criticised for spending money on that whilst bread and butter things continue to collapse (different budgets, but still)
We're not the only small city, town, borough, area struggling in this country.
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Post by hoppo96 on Oct 20, 2023 15:06:04 GMT
Final request for ppl to write to Jo Gideon Stoke central MP and/or Stoke on Trent council highways and/or Secretary of State for transport to urge them to ensure the city gets its rightful and fair share of cancelled HS2 money. we won't receive a single penny, and any projects earmarked *for Stoke-on-Trent or North Staffordshire* will be existing ones which should have been funded anyway.
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Post by toppercorner on Oct 20, 2023 15:26:48 GMT
Didn’t they hold onto the old Vic Ground site for years waiting for the value to rise? Possibly, but look what they did to the area. If they'd been in the slightest bit interested, they could have built townhouses (maybe even 3 story) in a vague footprint of the old ground, and a park in the middle. Large terraces would have at least been in keeping with the area. If the design is right, people will buy despite the cost. But we (the city's public), settle for utter mediocrity, or if you do have ideas, you get shut out. But no, we get anonymous crappy housing, with some crappy street names, and a paragraph in the sentinel telling us it's great. It's not, it's shit.
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Post by toppercorner on Oct 20, 2023 15:30:11 GMT
And another thing wrong with our local planners, I know we're a unique city, with 6 towns, but if it was me, I'd stop letting people build crappy buildings all over the place, and force business go into the city centre, to regain at least business footfall.
Land that was going to be earmarked for these businesses, then could be used for decent housing (St Modwen need not apply).
It really is that easy to sort the city's issues out, i genuinely don't understand how our dear leaders can get it so wrong every time.
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Post by werrington on Oct 20, 2023 15:32:50 GMT
And another thing wrong with our local planners, I know we're a unique city, with 6 towns, but if it was me, I'd stop letting people build crappy buildings all over the place, and force business go into the city centre, to regain at least business footfall. Land that was going to be earmarked for these businesses, then could be used for decent housing (St Modwen need not apply). It really is that easy to sort the city's issues out, i genuinely don't understand how our dear leaders can get it so wrong every time. That 6 towns bollocks needs abolishing pronto I honestly believe that is much of what holds the city back
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Post by chad on Oct 20, 2023 16:09:15 GMT
And another thing wrong with our local planners, I know we're a unique city, with 6 towns, but if it was me, I'd stop letting people build crappy buildings all over the place, and force business go into the city centre, to regain at least business footfall. Land that was going to be earmarked for these businesses, then could be used for decent housing (St Modwen need not apply). It really is that easy to sort the city's issues out, i genuinely don't understand how our dear leaders can get it so wrong every time. That 6 towns bollocks needs abolishing pronto I honestly believe that is much of what holds the city back Spot on. If you combined Hanley, Longton, Burslem and Tunstall (not much in Fenton or Stoke) you’d have a large bustling City Centre. Unfortunately it’ll never happen
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Post by ashleyscfc on Oct 20, 2023 17:12:56 GMT
That 6 towns bollocks needs abolishing pronto I honestly believe that is much of what holds the city back Spot on. If you combined Hanley, Longton, Burslem and Tunstall (not much in Fenton or Stoke) you’d have a large bustling City Centre. Unfortunately it’ll never happen They should all be “regions” of a bigger thing, see Salford, Ancoats etc
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Post by ashleyscfc on Oct 20, 2023 17:14:38 GMT
And another thing wrong with our local planners, I know we're a unique city, with 6 towns, but if it was me, I'd stop letting people build crappy buildings all over the place, and force business go into the city centre, to regain at least business footfall. Land that was going to be earmarked for these businesses, then could be used for decent housing (St Modwen need not apply). It really is that easy to sort the city's issues out, i genuinely don't understand how our dear leaders can get it so wrong every time. Precisely, nobody lives in Hanley. And with a crap transport system nobody can get there. Meaning it’s easy to get deserted
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Post by ashleyscfc on Oct 20, 2023 17:18:48 GMT
The only winners are the train companies as they’ll continue to take hordes of people out of the city to Manchester,Liverpool and Birmingham every weekend Uttoxeter people go into Derby, Congleton into Manchester and Market Drayton into Shrewsbury There’s nothing to draw anybody into Hanley and the last chance saloon has been blown for more fucking houses who’ll shop at Poundland We should all be very fucking angry Hold on There’s a plan to build a train to leek/the moorlands and everyone opposed The entire area is completely fucking backwards
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Post by ashleyscfc on Oct 20, 2023 17:21:26 GMT
The only winners are the train companies as they’ll continue to take hordes of people out of the city to Manchester,Liverpool and Birmingham every weekend Uttoxeter people go into Derby, Congleton into Manchester and Market Drayton into Shrewsbury There’s nothing to draw anybody into Hanley and the last chance saloon has been blown for more fucking houses who’ll shop at Poundland We should all be very fucking angry Absolutely true, uttoxeter now looks towards Derby. Even the moorlands are peak council? Looking towards Buxton. We have Wolverhampton uni in Stafford Newcastle and stone Shrewsbury and Manchester And all the local councils refuse to work with each other As a minimum Newcastle/Stoke and the moorlands should work together and north staffs and maybe then we’d get a say
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