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Post by toppercorner on Oct 16, 2023 16:50:15 GMT
No leisure on festival Park? The cinema, the bowling, the carvery, (two actually!) Waterworld, a huge gym including indoor golf and an excellent ski centre. No leisure? no there isn't. It's all looks incredibly dated and tired. Carveries and indoor golf? You may as well open a scrabble club. There is nothing there for the modern, late-teenager/early twenty's age group that is actually new, interesting, fun and engaging. The youth of today don't drink as much, don't eat out as much. They want smaller, independent places to hang out with their friends, that look good on social media and play decent music. It's why so many council led initiatives fall flat in this city. It's headed by people who are too old, and not in touch, and as a result, we get well meaning projects that fall well short of 21st century standards for leisure time. As mentioned previously, there is a new nucleus of well meaning individuals in the city, who are trying to get things going again, with their own lived experiences in their own sectors; but everything is 'cock-blocked' by people who are in the jobs of power they no longer should be in, and if they were to let cool things happen again, it'd be showing up their own professional short comings.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 16, 2023 16:55:07 GMT
No leisure on festival Park? The cinema, the bowling, the carvery, (two actually!) Waterworld, a huge gym including indoor golf and an excellent ski centre. No leisure? no there isn't. It's all looks incredibly dated and tired. Carveries and indoor golf? You may as well open a scrabble club. There is nothing there for the modern, late-teenager/early twenty's age group that is actually new, interesting, fun and engaging. The youth of today don't drink as much, don't eat out as much. They want smaller, independent places to hang out with their friends, that look good on social media and play decent music. It's why so many council led initiatives fall flat in this city. It's headed by people who are too old, and not in touch, and as a result, we get well meaning projects that fall well short of 21st century standards for leisure time. As mentioned previously, there is a new nucleus of well meaning individuals in the city, who are trying to get things going again, with their own lived experiences in their own sectors; but everything is 'cock-blocked' by people who are in the jobs of power they no longer should be in, and if they were to let cool things happen again, it'd be showing up their own professional short comings. Went bowling last week, it was rammed
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Post by satoshi on Oct 16, 2023 17:16:49 GMT
There’s not one decent pub in Hanley. It needs to be gentrified like the northern quarter in Manc. I know piccadilly is trying and it’s not bad tbh. I’d love to go Hanley for a few beers and slap up meal with the mrs but it’s not possible. Nom was decent but has since closed. Fat cats has gone. The area around cineworld with restaurants seems to be completely on it’s arse. It just doesn’t function as a city centre. Does gentrification not depend on having enough well-paid jobs to attract the kind of people that want to "gentrify" an area though? Plenty of money around the area mate, especially the outskirts
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Post by lordb on Oct 16, 2023 17:17:18 GMT
no there isn't. It's all looks incredibly dated and tired. Carveries and indoor golf? You may as well open a scrabble club. There is nothing there for the modern, late-teenager/early twenty's age group that is actually new, interesting, fun and engaging. The youth of today don't drink as much, don't eat out as much. They want smaller, independent places to hang out with their friends, that look good on social media and play decent music. It's why so many council led initiatives fall flat in this city. It's headed by people who are too old, and not in touch, and as a result, we get well meaning projects that fall well short of 21st century standards for leisure time. As mentioned previously, there is a new nucleus of well meaning individuals in the city, who are trying to get things going again, with their own lived experiences in their own sectors; but everything is 'cock-blocked' by people who are in the jobs of power they no longer should be in, and if they were to let cool things happen again, it'd be showing up their own professional short comings. Went bowling last week, it was rammed Did you take the skinheads? Or are they still on your lawn?
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Post by lordb on Oct 16, 2023 17:17:49 GMT
Does gentrification not depend on having enough well-paid jobs to attract the kind of people that want to "gentrify" an area though? Plenty of money around the area mate, especially the outskirts If by 'outskirts' you mean Cheshire...
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Post by satoshi on Oct 16, 2023 17:20:30 GMT
Plenty of money around the area mate, especially the outskirts If by 'outskirts' you mean Cheshire... Westlands, endon, stockton brook and beyond. But yes. Cheshire is on the doorstep.
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Post by danceswithclams on Oct 16, 2023 18:12:03 GMT
Yes, heard about Inflato - originally a kids’ soft play area but more recently was turned into a facility which adults as well as kids enjoy, I think there’s even hens & stags which participate 👍🏻 I hope they give it a proper wipe down after the 'adult-themed' nights 💦🍆
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 16, 2023 18:44:25 GMT
Yes, heard about Inflato - originally a kids’ soft play area but more recently was turned into a facility which adults as well as kids enjoy, I think there’s even hens & stags which participate 👍🏻 I hope they give it a proper wipe down after the 'adult-themed' nights 💦🍆 It’s a shit name. Sounds like an overweight Italian dance troop on Britains got Talent.
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Post by misterj on Oct 16, 2023 19:40:28 GMT
The guy who said there’s nowt for younger late teens/early 20’s group ….. I have to disagree - erm - Sugarmill & The Underground!! Also last week there was a Comic Con in the potteries centre, attended over a couple of days by 18,000 people - pretty decent I’d say?
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Post by ashleyscfc on Oct 16, 2023 20:25:08 GMT
The city desperately needs a joined up Newcastle and Stoke transport system and buses like any good city.
Newcastle needs a tram linking it to elsewhere
They’ll never do it but the Stoke to leek line should happen like they’ve promised. The idea of getting a 11 o’clock train back from leek or Oakamoor after a few hours sounds great
As far as the ring road is concerned there were plans for a casino, b and q and homes and they all fell through.
As far as I know it’s basically a no go now because of an extension to the building on the route and the Fuchs chemical owning the land. They’ve made a right mess of it. But agree no reason not to finish it
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Post by misterj on Oct 16, 2023 20:25:42 GMT
Thing is - a lot of Stokies going on a big weekend away, if they came across somewhere like Fes.Park right outside their hotel (ski slope, water park, bowling, cinema, pubs, casinos, inflatable zone etc) they’d say it was “Amazing!!” It’s right here on your doorstep guys!
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Post by lordb on Oct 16, 2023 20:35:45 GMT
Thing is - a lot of Stokies going on a big weekend away, if they came across somewhere like Fes.Park right outside their hotel (ski slope, water park, bowling, cinema, pubs, casinos, inflatable zone etc) they’d say it was “Amazing!!” It’s right here on your doorstep guys! There is absolutely no way you can have set foot in Water world this century, unless you are being ironic to keep referencing it as an attraction deminishes your argument
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Post by misterj on Oct 16, 2023 20:49:31 GMT
Waterworld ….. for what reason then do mini buses / coaches from Wolverhampton, Derby, Shrewsbury etc arrive here every weekend? Pulls in the punters for sure, car park packed
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Post by misterj on Oct 16, 2023 21:31:27 GMT
I got a reply from the office of jo.gideon.mp@parliament.uk and - apparently - you have to be a Stoke Central constituent for her to read your mail and respond to it so all you people who live in Hanley, Stoke, Penkhull, Sneyd Green, Birches Head etc who want to see this damn ring road completed please write to her with your name address and postcode and she has to respond!!
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Post by elystokie on Oct 16, 2023 21:44:48 GMT
I got a reply from the office of jo.gideon.mp@parliament.uk and - apparently - you have to be a Stoke Central constituent for her to read your mail and respond to it so all you people who live in Hanley, Stoke, Penkhull, Sneyd Green, Birches Head etc who want to see this damn ring road completed please write to her with your name address and postcode and she has to respond!! She'll respond (eventually) to say she's forwarded your email to the Transport Minister, who will eventually respond some months later (if you're lucky you won't have had to send a reminder email) with a load of word salad and nobody will be any further forward. She is, and has been, pretty much a complete waste of time and I wouldn't be surprised if she's more or less given up.
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Post by elystokie on Oct 17, 2023 7:19:46 GMT
I got a reply from the office of jo.gideon.mp@parliament.uk and - apparently - you have to be a Stoke Central constituent for her to read your mail and respond to it so all you people who live in Hanley, Stoke, Penkhull, Sneyd Green, Birches Head etc who want to see this damn ring road completed please write to her with your name address and postcode and she has to respond!! My apologies if my post above comes across as having a go at you misterj, that wasn't my intention. It's just that I have actually emailed her a couple of times and that's been the outcome, maybe she sees/saw her job as merely being a conduit between constituents and government.
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Post by misterj on Oct 17, 2023 7:34:34 GMT
I got a reply from the office of jo.gideon.mp@parliament.uk and - apparently - you have to be a Stoke Central constituent for her to read your mail and respond to it so all you people who live in Hanley, Stoke, Penkhull, Sneyd Green, Birches Head etc who want to see this damn ring road completed please write to her with your name address and postcode and she has to respond!! My apologies if my post above comes across as having a go at you misterj, that wasn't my intention. It's just that I have actually emailed her a couple of times and that's been the outcome, maybe she sees/saw her job as merely being a conduit between constituents and government. No probs Ely, I share your frustration with automated responses, maybe she’s giving up the seat and therefore will not get involved with forward-thinking projects, it’s be good if Stoke Council planners saw the comments in this thread as there are lots of pertinent points being made 👍🏻
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Oct 17, 2023 7:44:23 GMT
The biggest thing holding Stoke back after lack of funding is its populace.
You only have to look at the comments on the cesspit that is Stoke-on-Trent lies whenever there’s an article about a potential new venture.
“Yeah that’s just what Stoke needs isn’t it!”
“Put a Primark there instead”
“Why would you open that around here?”
We’re a city stuck in the past and until this attitude changes, which in my honest opinion I don’t think it will, we’ll forever be living in a crumbling, forgotten wasteland.
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Post by elystokie on Oct 17, 2023 8:28:36 GMT
My apologies if my post above comes across as having a go at you misterj, that wasn't my intention. It's just that I have actually emailed her a couple of times and that's been the outcome, maybe she sees/saw her job as merely being a conduit between constituents and government. No probs Ely, I share your frustration with automated responses, maybe she’s giving up the seat and therefore will not get involved with forward-thinking projects, it’s be good if Stoke Council planners saw the comments in this thread as there are lots of pertinent points being made 👍🏻 She declared some time ago she wouldn't be contesting the seat next time around and her website hasn't been updated for some time whereas before it seems it was updated monthly. I imagine she's still getting paid tho..
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Post by Eggybread on Oct 17, 2023 8:45:04 GMT
The biggest thing holding Stoke back after lack of funding is its populace. You only have to look at the comments on the cesspit that is Stoke-on-Trent lies whenever there’s an article about a potential new venture. “Yeah that’s just what Stoke needs isn’t it!” “Put a Primark there instead” “Why would you open that around here?” We’re a city stuck in the past and until this attitude changes, which in my honest opinion I don’t think it will, we’ll forever be living in a crumbling, forgotten wasteland. "The biggest thing holding Stoke back after lack of funding is its populace." You can include extremely low wages, poor education(which is astonishingly bad imo) and a total lack of ambition and foresight, an air of depression with a defeatist attitude also runs through the city. All exasperated by the poverty and the run down look the city has, with its crumbling buildings etc.
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Post by misterj on Oct 17, 2023 12:30:30 GMT
Think you’re spot on Eggybread but there ARE success stories (the Trentham estate) and so if that same drive & positivity could be applied elsewhere we could be onto a winner?
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Post by ashleyscfc on Oct 17, 2023 15:36:48 GMT
The biggest thing holding Stoke back after lack of funding is its populace. You only have to look at the comments on the cesspit that is Stoke-on-Trent lies whenever there’s an article about a potential new venture. “Yeah that’s just what Stoke needs isn’t it!” “Put a Primark there instead” “Why would you open that around here?” We’re a city stuck in the past and until this attitude changes, which in my honest opinion I don’t think it will, we’ll forever be living in a crumbling, forgotten wasteland. You just need to see the comments for reopening the railway to leek… Godforbid we can get on a train, like they’ve ever worked anywhere… Despite the fact it opens up Fenton Bucknall Milton Endon Stockton Brook Leekbrook Leek Then Cheddleton Froghall Cauldon Low And possibly Oakamoor and Alton Towers in the future, gets people off the road, could use it for freight from Cauldon quarry, people from leek (and along the route) can get to the city and the mainline without a car. And people can visit the moorlands, possibly Alton towers without a car. Appreciate it involves chopping some trees down, spending some money and it’s disruptive for those nearby, but my god it’s good news!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 17, 2023 18:15:54 GMT
The biggest thing holding Stoke back after lack of funding is its populace. You only have to look at the comments on the cesspit that is Stoke-on-Trent lies whenever there’s an article about a potential new venture. “Yeah that’s just what Stoke needs isn’t it!” “Put a Primark there instead” “Why would you open that around here?” We’re a city stuck in the past and until this attitude changes, which in my honest opinion I don’t think it will, we’ll forever be living in a crumbling, forgotten wasteland. "The biggest thing holding Stoke back after lack of funding is its populace." You can include extremely low wages, poor education(which is astonishingly bad imo) and a total lack of ambition and foresight, an air of depression with a defeatist attitude also runs through the city. All exasperated by the poverty and the run down look the city has, with its crumbling buildings etc. When I walked out of Stoke Station earlier I thought I’d take on the moniker of someone who’d never been here. I walked to my sett in Hartshill, a real calf burner after a day at work. Anyway my first impressions as “an outsider” were, there’s a few down and outs outside the main doors but on I go. That hotel across the way looks a grand old place, down past the new Goods Yard project “nice to see some construction going on”, down past the Civic centre “a nice little homage to Lost Baby Week on the railings. On past the Glebe, “what a cracking building for a pub, I’d like a pint in there”. Turn past Kings Hall “nice building”, past Spode “again nice building”. Then, past a couple of curry houses and empty shops and there I was, in monkey dust Central, complimented by a couple of handily placed brothels and 3 shit hole pubs, one of which was closed down (again).
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Post by misterj on Oct 17, 2023 19:49:56 GMT
In other words Hartshill badger: the good the bad and the ugly, just like any other town/city in the midlands and the north - I’m not saying we’re a special case - I’m just saying we deserve our share of the cancelled HS2 cash, that’s all I’m saying …… don’t understand why ppl don’t get that? duh!
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Post by misterj on Oct 19, 2023 9:33:26 GMT
Final request for ppl to write to Jo Gideon Stoke central MP and/or Stoke on Trent council highways and/or Secretary of State for transport to urge them to ensure the city gets its rightful and fair share of cancelled HS2 money.
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Post by elystokie on Oct 19, 2023 12:44:03 GMT
Final request for ppl to write to Jo Gideon Stoke central MP and/or Stoke on Trent council highways and/or Secretary of State for transport to urge them to ensure the city gets its rightful and fair share of cancelled HS2 money. I've knocked up a brief message if anyone wants to use it, I'm no Shakespeare but I think the request is clear enough - Dear Jo, I'm writing to request that you use at least part of your remaining time as the MP for Stoke-on-Trent Central to ensure that part of the HS2 diverted funding finds its way to ensuring the much needed completion of the Hanley ring road. Kindest regards Send to - jo.gideon.mp@parliament.uk
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Post by andystokey on Oct 19, 2023 12:46:57 GMT
"The biggest thing holding Stoke back after lack of funding is its populace." You can include extremely low wages, poor education(which is astonishingly bad imo) and a total lack of ambition and foresight, an air of depression with a defeatist attitude also runs through the city. All exasperated by the poverty and the run down look the city has, with its crumbling buildings etc. When I walked out of Stoke Station earlier I thought I’d take on the moniker of someone who’d never been here. I walked to my sett in Hartshill, a real calf burner after a day at work. Anyway my first impressions as “an outsider” were, there’s a few down and outs outside the main doors but on I go. That hotel across the way looks a grand old place, down past the new Goods Yard project “nice to see some construction going on”, down past the Civic centre “a nice little homage to Lost Baby Week on the railings. On past the Glebe, “what a cracking building for a pub, I’d like a pint in there”. Turn past Kings Hall “nice building”, past Spode “again nice building”. Then, past a couple of curry houses and empty shops and there I was, in monkey dust Central, complimented by a couple of handily placed brothels and 3 shit hole pubs, one of which was closed down (again). Hasn't the Spode thing all fallen through? The company the ouncil chose have dissolved according to Companies House and I'm sure I heard that the Government will take £62m back away the council if it has no project in place. find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/11969448
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Post by lordb on Oct 19, 2023 13:34:21 GMT
The biggest thing holding Stoke back after lack of funding is its populace. You only have to look at the comments on the cesspit that is Stoke-on-Trent lies whenever there’s an article about a potential new venture. “Yeah that’s just what Stoke needs isn’t it!” “Put a Primark there instead” “Why would you open that around here?” We’re a city stuck in the past and until this attitude changes, which in my honest opinion I don’t think it will, we’ll forever be living in a crumbling, forgotten wasteland. You just need to see the comments for reopening the railway to leek… Godforbid we can get on a train, like they’ve ever worked anywhere… Despite the fact it opens up Fenton Bucknall Milton Endon Stockton Brook Leekbrook Leek Then Cheddleton Froghall Cauldon Low And possibly Oakamoor and Alton Towers in the future, gets people off the road, could use it for freight from Cauldon quarry, people from leek (and along the route) can get to the city and the mainline without a car. And people can visit the moorlands, possibly Alton towers without a car. Appreciate it involves chopping some trees down, spending some money and it’s disruptive for those nearby, but my god it’s good news! agree with all that however has to be huge doubt that any such capital investment in infrastructure will come our way
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Post by misterj on Oct 19, 2023 15:33:07 GMT
You’d think Alton Towers would be keen on Stoke to leek line re-opening because they could then fund the extension of the steam train (Froghall Cheddleton etc) to go all the way to the theme park meaning ppl could use public transport and not have to drive?
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Post by theonlooker on Oct 20, 2023 6:05:54 GMT
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