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Post by liathroid on Oct 9, 2023 20:18:02 GMT
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Post by Marc01 on Oct 9, 2023 20:28:15 GMT
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Post by innocentbystander on Oct 9, 2023 21:14:04 GMT
We could take him on as a coach/assistant, in a sort of Alan Ball/Mick Mills scenario.....
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Post by jokker on Oct 9, 2023 21:19:53 GMT
Just need John to do the same with Neil now. For it to be the same it would require Neil to place Stoke within sight of the play off places... I'm not saying that that can't be done, but it might take Neil a few more years...
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 9, 2023 21:33:57 GMT
I don't honestly think that JC and Co.are even thinking about sacking AN at the moment. How does anyone know though? Nobody had any idea that the axe was not only out of the sheath, but fully sharpened and ready to be deployed on MON. And then on a quiet Thursday morning - Wham Bam Thank You M'am just 5 games into the season. There was a presumption that the fact the MON-John relationship was strong made him untouchable for a while longer...until it suddenly didn't. Even on Axemas Eve, people were still saying "well, it won't be any time soon" oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/305392/axe-finally-fallen-on-monFair point. Just think that this time the clearout and replenishment of players, coaching staff and coaching was (is) of relative seismic proportions that they will be honour bound to give Neil more time to get the show on the road. Injuries and decisions aside I firmly believe that AN has got enough about him to at least get through this crisis and move forward. Stated few weeks ago that the signing of Wes and the exit of our left(wing) back would have serious consequences and stand by that. Regardless of my opinions though .. Think that JC and team haven't even got into the thought process of sacking yet. Just my opinion of course.
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 9, 2023 22:56:28 GMT
How long would it be until the board are forced to act though? After our next three games we could easily find ourselves in the bottom three with pretty much a third of the season played. It is a tough run of fixtures. Any new man coming in is going to have the same injuries isn't he. Personally I think when we've got these players back fit and now they're coming into the time where they've played a few games and they're settling in to a new country, new team mates etc then improved performances and results will naturally follow. I don't think we've been that bad all things considered, a few of these games we've lost points through the finest of margins, that's without a notable pre-season as a group for 17 new playersand well they're acclimatising to new surroundings. We need to get the players fit and playing together, it's as simple as that for me. Yes we need to improve at centre back areas but these things can be worked on. I'd give him until Christmas I would because some of these signings look good The few games we had all our players fit, at the time the Ipswich result was the most disappointing. However, it's been clear since then that a fully fit Ipswich are a top notch side and will be in the playoffs, but they have been lucky with avoiding injuries. We were awesome against Rotherham obviously, ground out a result against Watford, and though we lost Millwall we were the better side in the second half when we brought on our first teamers - players that are unavailable to us at present. So yeah, I too would just like to see them all fit and allow Neil a reasonable time to get them performing. The January window is going to be critical, but I hope we can get enough points between now and New Year to keep in touch of or above safety. If we get players back, things might start improving too. The reason I’m not banging the table for a new manager is because I genuinely don’t think anyone else could do much better with the hand we’ve been dealt.
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Post by NassauDave on Oct 10, 2023 1:54:38 GMT
Neil has to go, now.
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Post by NassauDave on Oct 10, 2023 1:57:37 GMT
Neil out. Massive bell end.
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Post by baconburger on Oct 10, 2023 8:15:47 GMT
How long would it be until the board are forced to act though? After our next three games we could easily find ourselves in the bottom three with pretty much a third of the season played. It is a tough run of fixtures. Any new man coming in is going to have the same injuries isn't he. Personally I think when we've got these players back fit and now they're coming into the time where they've played a few games and they're settling in to a new country, new team mates etc then improved performances and results will naturally follow. I don't think we've been that bad all things considered, a few of these games we've lost points through the finest of margins, that's without a notable pre-season as a group for 17 new playersand well they're acclimatising to new surroundings. We need to get the players fit and playing together, it's as simple as that for me. Yes we need to improve at centre back areas but these things can be worked on. I'd give him until Christmas I would because some of these signings look good More or less agree. Christmas would be too late to start the process but fine so long as things were being sorted out on the QT. Trouble is you’d want your technical director involved and could you trust RM not to tell his mate? That leaves your football brain aside from the manager/head coach out of the equation and raises the chances of another disastrous Coates appointment. That’s not hindsight it was obvious the manager should have had zero involvement in selecting a technical director/DoF. If there is to be a new man it’s imperative that he has the time to make use of the January window to implement some limited changes to the squad. I’d much sooner results pick up enough to see us pull away from the bottom 3 and we could review the situation at the end of the season.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 10, 2023 10:26:01 GMT
How long would it be until the board are forced to act though? After our next three games we could easily find ourselves in the bottom three with pretty much a third of the season played. It is a tough run of fixtures. Any new man coming in is going to have the same injuries isn't he. Personally I think when we've got these players back fit and now they're coming into the time where they've played a few games and they're settling in to a new country, new team mates etc then improved performances and results will naturally follow. I don't think we've been that bad all things considered, a few of these games we've lost points through the finest of margins, that's without a notable pre-season as a group for 17 new playersand well they're acclimatising to new surroundings. We need to get the players fit and playing together, it's as simple as that for me. Yes we need to improve at centre back areas but these things can be worked on. I'd give him until Christmas I would because some of these signings look good We've been atrocious. When the players are all fit how long you giving them to get match fit? It's one excuse after another. Recruitment has been a disaster. Relying on Preston has-beens, gambling on unknowns and neglecting key areas. Don't get me started on formations and tactics. Man alive what a cluster fuck. We've got Rowett mark 2, he'll be blaming supporters next.
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 10, 2023 10:36:14 GMT
Any new man coming in is going to have the same injuries isn't he. Personally I think when we've got these players back fit and now they're coming into the time where they've played a few games and they're settling in to a new country, new team mates etc then improved performances and results will naturally follow. I don't think we've been that bad all things considered, a few of these games we've lost points through the finest of margins, that's without a notable pre-season as a group for 17 new playersand well they're acclimatising to new surroundings. We need to get the players fit and playing together, it's as simple as that for me. Yes we need to improve at centre back areas but these things can be worked on. I'd give him until Christmas I would because some of these signings look good We've been atrocious. When the players are all fit how long you giving them to get match fit? It's one excuse after another. Recruitment has been a disaster. Relying on Preston has-beens, gambling on unknowns and neglecting key areas. Don't get me started on formations and tactics. Man alive what a cluster fuck. We've got Rowett mark 2, he'll be blaming supporters next. You've only got to read that once to come to the conclusion that you expected a complete job in one summer. I think this explains why you and many others are really miffed. Realistically it's not happening in one summer, we're only just establishing a base that we can build from
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 10, 2023 10:46:07 GMT
Any new man coming in is going to have the same injuries isn't he. Personally I think when we've got these players back fit and now they're coming into the time where they've played a few games and they're settling in to a new country, new team mates etc then improved performances and results will naturally follow. I don't think we've been that bad all things considered, a few of these games we've lost points through the finest of margins, that's without a notable pre-season as a group for 17 new playersand well they're acclimatising to new surroundings. We need to get the players fit and playing together, it's as simple as that for me. Yes we need to improve at centre back areas but these things can be worked on. I'd give him until Christmas I would because some of these signings look good We've been atrocious. When the players are all fit how long you giving them to get match fit? It's one excuse after another. Recruitment has been a disaster. Relying on Preston has-beens, gambling on unknowns and neglecting key areas. Don't get me started on formations and tactics. Man alive what a cluster fuck. We've got Rowett mark 2, he'll be blaming supporters next. Far from Rowett mk2 for me. We've signed players the right age, good players. Results aside I'm very happy with the players we've brought in. Yes there are a few areas that need input but Rome was never built in a day. We've yet been able to see what many believe will be our best 11. Stevens one side and Tchamadeu the other side is looking good for starters never mind Vidigal, Mmaee, Haksabanovic/leris and Junho as number 10. I actually like Johnson, I don't see the issue with him being from Preston. Very handy squad player for me
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 10, 2023 10:47:21 GMT
We've been atrocious. When the players are all fit how long you giving them to get match fit? It's one excuse after another. Recruitment has been a disaster. Relying on Preston has-beens, gambling on unknowns and neglecting key areas. Don't get me started on formations and tactics. Man alive what a cluster fuck. We've got Rowett mark 2, he'll be blaming supporters next. You've only got to read that once to come to the conclusion that you expected a complete job in one summer. I think this explains why you and many others are really miffed. Realistically it's not happening in one summer, we're only just establishing a base that we can build from "What are Stoke trying to do..? "You look clueless" "No plan" "appears the tactics/formation don't suit the players" "you look like relegation fodder" Direct quotes from an opposing fan. I expect the manager to have a plan and have some footballing nous. This bloke appears to have none. I can take losing, i've been a fan since the 70's and seen some proper shite, I just can't accept incompetence. Keep your head in the sand.
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Post by baconburger on Oct 10, 2023 10:50:59 GMT
Any new man coming in is going to have the same injuries isn't he. Personally I think when we've got these players back fit and now they're coming into the time where they've played a few games and they're settling in to a new country, new team mates etc then improved performances and results will naturally follow. I don't think we've been that bad all things considered, a few of these games we've lost points through the finest of margins, that's without a notable pre-season as a group for 17 new playersand well they're acclimatising to new surroundings. We need to get the players fit and playing together, it's as simple as that for me. Yes we need to improve at centre back areas but these things can be worked on. I'd give him until Christmas I would because some of these signings look good We've been atrocious. When the players are all fit how long you giving them to get match fit? It's one excuse after another. Recruitment has been a disaster. Relying on Preston has-beens, gambling on unknowns and neglecting key areas. Don't get me started on formations and tactics. Man alive what a cluster fuck. We've got Rowett mark 2, he'll be blaming supporters next. Recruitment seems fine to me most of the players we’ve paid a fee for look promising. The frees etc don’t look so great so the ones with an eye on the future look more promising than the ones for the here and now.
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 10, 2023 10:53:42 GMT
You've only got to read that once to come to the conclusion that you expected a complete job in one summer. I think this explains why you and many others are really miffed. Realistically it's not happening in one summer, we're only just establishing a base that we can build from "What are Stoke trying to do..? "You look clueless" "No plan" "appears the tactics/formation don't suit the players" "you look like relegation fodder" Direct quotes from an opposing fan. I expect the manager to have a plan and have some footballing nous. This bloke appears to have none. I can take losing, i've been a fan since the 70's and seen some proper shite, I just can't accept incompetence. Keep your head in the sand. It's not my worry, I believe as I've said before, all things considered the manager is par for the course, when we've got a full strength team and players have played together results and performances will naturally improve. He isn't no mug you know, he's been promoted 3 times. He knows how to play football. What we're going through is just a process as a result of massive change and injuries, totally normal, nothing to see here
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Post by peepin on Oct 10, 2023 12:47:01 GMT
That’s strange……most of those clips show two attacking players in the oppositions box. How odd.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 10, 2023 13:00:06 GMT
That’s strange……most of those clips show two attacking players in the oppositions box. How odd. Only happens after you gel I take it. Until then it can't be done
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 10, 2023 13:00:49 GMT
We've been atrocious. When the players are all fit how long you giving them to get match fit? It's one excuse after another. Recruitment has been a disaster. Relying on Preston has-beens, gambling on unknowns and neglecting key areas. Don't get me started on formations and tactics. Man alive what a cluster fuck. We've got Rowett mark 2, he'll be blaming supporters next. You've only got to read that once to come to the conclusion that you expected a complete job in one summer. I think this explains why you and many others are really miffed. Realistically it's not happening in one summer, we're only just establishing a base that we can build from Nobody expects it to be done in one summer but what everyone does is expect is to not go in to a new season with an injury plagued 33 year old left back as your only left back and 3 centre halves, all of which are similar types. It didn't even take 2 months for those two key decisions to come home to roost. It's just rank bad management and for me is a sackable offence on it's own, without throwing in the chopping and changing of formations, systems and mentality.
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Post by peepin on Oct 10, 2023 13:18:56 GMT
That’s strange……most of those clips show two attacking players in the oppositions box. How odd. Only happens after you gel I take it. Until then it can't be done Oh right I wasn’t aware, apologies.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 10, 2023 13:32:30 GMT
Only happens after you gel I take it. Until then it can't be done Oh right I wasn’t aware, apologies. 😚
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 10, 2023 13:36:32 GMT
Like it or lump it, AN was brought in for the long haul, oversee most aspects of the club, new backroom staff, new scouts, new under 18/21 coaches, load of players out, load of players in.
I can't see them getting rid of him just yet, if & when AN has a fully fit squad to pick from, but still doesn't get the results, then they may consider getting rid.
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Post by thornestein on Oct 10, 2023 13:47:46 GMT
We've been atrocious. When the players are all fit how long you giving them to get match fit? It's one excuse after another. Recruitment has been a disaster. Relying on Preston has-beens, gambling on unknowns and neglecting key areas. Don't get me started on formations and tactics. Man alive what a cluster fuck. We've got Rowett mark 2, he'll be blaming supporters next. You've only got to read that once to come to the conclusion that you expected a complete job in one summer. I think this explains why you and many others are really miffed. Realistically it's not happening in one summer, we're only just establishing a base that we can build from if that’s the case why did the manager say when he was appointed he was bought here to get promotion last season or this season ?
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 10, 2023 14:10:03 GMT
Like it or lump it, AN was brought in for the long haul, oversee most aspects of the club, new backroom staff, new scouts, new under 18/21 coaches, load of players out, load of players in. I can't see them getting rid of him just yet, if & when AN has a fully fit squad to pick from, but still doesn't get the results, then they may consider getting rid. It only ever depends on results, even for our “long haul”, axe-shy owners. Say we lost the next three games, he’d be on the brink if not gone already.
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 10, 2023 16:57:09 GMT
You've only got to read that once to come to the conclusion that you expected a complete job in one summer. I think this explains why you and many others are really miffed. Realistically it's not happening in one summer, we're only just establishing a base that we can build from Nobody expects it to be done in one summer but what everyone does is expect is to not go in to a new season with an injury plagued 33 year old left back as your only left back and 3 centre halves, all of which are similar types. It didn't even take 2 months for those two key decisions to come home to roost. It's just rank bad management and for me is a sackable offence on it's own, without throwing in the chopping and changing of formations, systems and mentality. The mentality hasn't changed at all, we try to win every game. We didn't have the personnel to take it to Leicester early because half of the team are missing. They would have picked us off and we'd have got mullered, they have quality in depth look at their bench v us, we could barely put out an 11. They're in a totally different ball park to us and probably everybody else in the league. We do need depth in a couple of positions but who doesn't in this league? It's common knowledge Neil wanted Lacelles and a European defender, we didn't get them so unless he does all the negotiations its not his fault we failed for two players, I'd rather wait and get the right man. Sick of saying it but wait until the team is available to be selected to actually play together. I never liked Tymon anyway, never a left back in a million years, can you imagine him left and hoever right, yeah that would be fun. We got cash for him and brought Tchamadeu who can actually play both sides, business of the season that for me. Hes going onto big things he is and we'll pocket a small fortune
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 10, 2023 17:08:37 GMT
You've only got to read that once to come to the conclusion that you expected a complete job in one summer. I think this explains why you and many others are really miffed. Realistically it's not happening in one summer, we're only just establishing a base that we can build from if that’s the case why did the manager say when he was appointed he was bought here to get promotion last season or this season ? He probably was, but so what if it's not this season ( by the way play-offs are not out of the equation yet, far from it infact). I'm liking the business we're doing in the window. What a great set of players to add some other bits too. Rome not built in a day. 17 new players and people want to be looking like promotion contenders from the off without even a preseason and a boat load of injuries to contend with, I think people need to get realistic
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 10, 2023 17:23:41 GMT
Nobody expects it to be done in one summer but what everyone does is expect is to not go in to a new season with an injury plagued 33 year old left back as your only left back and 3 centre halves, all of which are similar types. It didn't even take 2 months for those two key decisions to come home to roost. It's just rank bad management and for me is a sackable offence on it's own, without throwing in the chopping and changing of formations, systems and mentality. The mentality hasn't changed at all, we try to win every game. We didn't have the personnel to take it to Leicester early because half of the team are missing. They would have picked us off and we'd have got mullered, they have quality in depth look at their bench v us, we could barely put out an 11. They're in a totally different ball park to us and probably everybody else in the league. We do need depth in a couple of positions but who doesn't in this league? It's common knowledge Neil wanted Lacelles and a European defender, we didn't get them so unless he does all the negotiations its not his fault we failed for two players, I'd rather wait and get the right man. Sick of saying it but wait until the team is available to be selected to actually play together. I never liked Tymon anyway, never a left back in a million years, can you imagine him left and hoever right, yeah that would be fun. We got cash for him and brought Tchamadeu who can actually play both sides, business of the season that for me. Hes going onto big things he is and we'll pocket a small fortune Leicester were poor on the day and you don't sit on a reverse result until 2 minutes from the end until you make a change.
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 10, 2023 17:31:36 GMT
The mentality hasn't changed at all, we try to win every game. We didn't have the personnel to take it to Leicester early because half of the team are missing. They would have picked us off and we'd have got mullered, they have quality in depth look at their bench v us, we could barely put out an 11. They're in a totally different ball park to us and probably everybody else in the league. We do need depth in a couple of positions but who doesn't in this league? It's common knowledge Neil wanted Lacelles and a European defender, we didn't get them so unless he does all the negotiations its not his fault we failed for two players, I'd rather wait and get the right man. Sick of saying it but wait until the team is available to be selected to actually play together. I never liked Tymon anyway, never a left back in a million years, can you imagine him left and hoever right, yeah that would be fun. We got cash for him and brought Tchamadeu who can actually play both sides, business of the season that for me. Hes going onto big things he is and we'll pocket a small fortune Leicester were poor on the day and you don't sit on a reverse result until 2 minutes from the end until you make a change. It's one game, were they poor or did we nullify them for long periods. Yes we lost but with half a team we were not battered. Oppo always used to say when they played a Pulis Stoke team " oh we had an off day" they had an off day more often than not because we made them have an off day. This club has been in a mess for literally years and we all know that's not an exaggeration. It's had shit piled on shit, piled on shit, piled on shit for that long It's fossilised. The right man doesn't just walk into that, click his fingers and everything is rosey. I'll tell you what though, this summers business is definitely the start of a new era and we have a good group of players as a base now to really start climbing again, all in good time though. It was never an overnight thing I don't know why or how people expected it to be
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 10, 2023 17:34:07 GMT
Leicester were poor on the day and you don't sit on a reverse result until 2 minutes from the end until you make a change. It's one game, we're they poor or did we nullify them for long periods. Yes we lost but with half a team we were not battered. Oppo always used to say when they played a Pulis Stoke team " oh we had an off day" they had an off day more often than not because we made them have an off day. This club has been in a mess for literally years and we all know that's not an exaggeration. It's had shit piled on shit, piled on shit, piled on shit for that long It's fossilised. The right man won't just walk into that, click his fingers and everything I'd rosey. I'll tell you what though, this summers businesses is definitely the start of a new era and we have a good group of players as a base now to really start climbing again, all in good time though. It was never an overnight thing I don't know why or how people expected it to be A but of both but either way, why leave it until the 88th minute? They rested their big guns and took them on to finish the game off,we did absolutely nothing until too late
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 10, 2023 17:37:18 GMT
It's one game, we're they poor or did we nullify them for long periods. Yes we lost but with half a team we were not battered. Oppo always used to say when they played a Pulis Stoke team " oh we had an off day" they had an off day more often than not because we made them have an off day. This club has been in a mess for literally years and we all know that's not an exaggeration. It's had shit piled on shit, piled on shit, piled on shit for that long It's fossilised. The right man won't just walk into that, click his fingers and everything I'd rosey. I'll tell you what though, this summers businesses is definitely the start of a new era and we have a good group of players as a base now to really start climbing again, all in good time though. It was never an overnight thing I don't know why or how people expected it to be A but of both but either way, why leave it until the 88th minute? They rested their big guns and took them on to finish the game off,we did absolutely nothing until too late You say it's too late, I myself thought we looked threatening towards the last 20 mimutes so why disrupt any momentum we were making. It didn't come off, big whoosh, onto the next one
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Post by peterthornesboots on Oct 10, 2023 17:42:58 GMT
A but of both but either way, why leave it until the 88th minute? They rested their big guns and took them on to finish the game off,we did absolutely nothing until too late You say it's too late, I myself thought we looked threatening towards the last 20 mimutes so why disrupt any momentum we were making. It didn't come off, big whoosh, onto the next one I thought that we were crying out for some fresh legs after chasing the ball around for most of the game. Throwing on a couple of attacking players at 1-0 down with 15/20 minutes to go might have given us some impetus and energy. I think everyone can say that waiting until the 88th minute with the game already lost to throw some substitutes into the mix was utterly bizarre management.
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