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Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 29, 2023 9:46:05 GMT
Doesn't look like he's playing with the same intensity or enjoyment as he was in August.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Nov 29, 2023 10:05:33 GMT
I said a few week back on here that I thought he was average and some laughed at me. He obviously isn't one to have in the trenches but he aint alone.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Nov 29, 2023 10:11:46 GMT
Probably dawned on him that the project to include Premiership football with us as sold to him ain't going to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 10:24:23 GMT
Probably dawned on him that the project to include Premiership football with us as sold to him ain't going to happen. What's he done to show he could be a premier league player? |
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Post by emretezzy on Nov 29, 2023 10:33:50 GMT
In the summer we didn't add one bit of raw pace.
Leris, Vidigal and Maee are all seriously one paced.
Campbell and Bae look like the only ones who could even dream of going past anyone.
Hippo is quicker than Gayle.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Nov 29, 2023 11:15:27 GMT
Probably dawned on him that the project to include Premiership football with us as sold to him ain't going to happen. What's he done to show he could be a premier league player? I didn't say he had. But which would you go for? We're a bottom half Championship club with no matter which manager we appoint nothing changes OR
We're a mid table Championship club with a new squad and we have aspirations of Premier League football next season. The only glass ceiling is the one we create for ourselves. |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Nov 29, 2023 11:25:51 GMT
Doesn't look like he's playing with the same intensity or enjoyment as he was in August. The reality of Championship football may have kicked in. Lots of games, minimal rest time, high tempo and intensity matches, and getting lumps kicked out of him by experienced defenders. I think there is definitely a quality player in there, but this is going to be a steep learning curve for him and some of the other foreign lads. |
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Post by stantheman on Nov 29, 2023 11:32:33 GMT
He got no protection from the ref at Millwall, and had lumps kicked out of him.
Came back when not fully fit, confidence not what it was
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Post by skip on Nov 29, 2023 11:35:25 GMT
He’s seen through Gollum for the charlatan that he is - can’t see how any of them respond to such an odious little prick Again, I look to the fresh eyes of my nippers for games like this to notice things that I don't see as I'm too engrossed in witnessing another depressing spectacle. Early into the second half, my youngest told me to watch the player's faces. "You can see they're pissed off." |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 11:39:30 GMT
What's he done to show he could be a premier league player? I didn't say he had. But which would you go for? We're a bottom half Championship club with no matter which manager we appoint nothing changes OR
We're a mid table Championship club with a new squad and we have aspirations of Premier League football next season. The only glass ceiling is the one we create for ourselves.My point is that he would have no right to be thinking that way anyway, he's not even proved himself to be a good championship player yet. |
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Post by Gods on Nov 29, 2023 11:46:09 GMT
Another one of Jared’s hopeless Buys , only burger can possibly b seen as an improvement on what we had I think someone needs to wrestle Jared's little black book off him before he does any more damage. We really have bought a job lot of players completely unsuitable for the Championship. |
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 29, 2023 12:10:25 GMT
He did okay initially. He scored some goals and that gave him confidence to go at players. The injury has taken away his confidence and now he needs to find it again if he’s going to contribute anything over the course of a season.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Nov 29, 2023 12:15:45 GMT
I didn't say he had. But which would you go for? We're a bottom half Championship club with no matter which manager we appoint nothing changes OR
We're a mid table Championship club with a new squad and we have aspirations of Premier League football next season. The only glass ceiling is the one we create for ourselves.My point is that he would have no right to be thinking that way anyway, he's not even proved himself to be a good championship player yet. And my point is, if the club has any sense, they'll pitch the 'project' as one step away from Premiership football to all the overseas players regardless. They'll all know about the Prem and want a slice of that pie, good enough or not. Human nature. Add in a Powerpoint presentation of 5 pillars and a Cultural Architect then pass them the pen to sign.  |
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Post by OldStokie on Nov 29, 2023 13:18:26 GMT
Lost his confidence and he doesn't look fit yet.
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Post by march4 on Nov 29, 2023 13:20:36 GMT
Awful again last night but no where near as bad as Wesley.
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Post by Ron on Nov 29, 2023 13:26:26 GMT
Actually getting the ball to him in good areas would help.
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Post by etebojan on Nov 29, 2023 13:57:24 GMT
It doesn't feel like he's actually a winger, better when he's allowed to float more centrally
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Post by independent on Nov 29, 2023 15:32:12 GMT
Another one of Jared’s hopeless Buys , only burger can possibly b seen as an improvement on what we had I think someone needs to wrestle Jared's little black book off him before he does any more damage. We really have bought a job lot of players completely unsuitable for the Championship. This surely can't be right, didn't Vidigal7 tell us: 1.these players have been brought in to play a particular way, they've been hand picked for to fit into a particular role in a style of football we want to establish. 2.We've brought in good players with qualities hand picked by the manager to play a style and a brand of football he's already promoted two teams with. 3.Tje players he brought in look exciting and we have signed pkayers to play an attacking game with a sprinkling of flair, what more do you want? Well, what more do you want?...................Results? |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 29, 2023 18:40:24 GMT
Another one of Jared’s hopeless Buys , only burger can possibly b seen as an improvement on what we had I think someone needs to wrestle Jared's little black book off him before he does any more damage. We really have bought a job lot of players completely unsuitable for the Championship. It’d weird it’s.very unlike neil to bet the house on unproven players like we did especially in key roles but it’s going to cost him his jib and Martin and Jared should definitely go with him the big worry now is they don’t and remain to continue wreaking their havoc |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 29, 2023 18:43:56 GMT
It doesn't feel like he's actually a winger, better when he's allowed to float more centrally None of our “wingers” look like wingers. I don’t know what Neil tried to achieve with all these same type players |
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Post by Gods on Nov 29, 2023 18:45:14 GMT
I think someone needs to wrestle Jared's little black book off him before he does any more damage. We really have bought a job lot of players completely unsuitable for the Championship. It’d weird it’s.very unlike neil to bet the house on unproven players like we did especially in key roles but it’s going to cost him his jib and Martin and Jared should definitely go with him the big worry now is they don’t and remain to continue wreaking their havoc The whole thing is inexplicable to me. I mean I don't much like AN, I find him utterly charmless. However I always considered him to be basically sane. A dour pragmatist who would never ordinairily indulge in the kind of crazed shopping spree we saw in the summer. I can only assume somehow Tricky and Jared have got in his head with their wide eyed almost religous evangelism. |
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Post by TinkerT on Nov 29, 2023 18:52:34 GMT
Our only exciting player and we have some stoke fans questioning the bloke, absolute embarrassing. Jesus christ if it wasn't for vidi this season would be seriously depressing. He's been in the country playing a few months in one of the toughest leagues in the world in a new country yet big dave from chess is saying he's not good enough. Absolute laughable.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 29, 2023 18:57:03 GMT
Get him up front! That’ll give him some spark
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Nov 29, 2023 19:03:32 GMT
What's he done to show he could be a premier league player? I didn't say he had. But which would you go for? We're a bottom half Championship club with no matter which manager we appoint nothing changes OR
We're a mid table Championship club with a new squad and we have aspirations of Premier League football next season. The only glass ceiling is the one we create for ourselves.In fairness, playing in our Championship is better than the Portuguese Championship. It would be a dream come true for him to be anywhere near the Premier League. |
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Post by callas12 on Nov 29, 2023 19:15:17 GMT
Our only exciting player and we have some stoke fans questioning the bloke, absolute embarrassing. Jesus christ if it wasn't for vidi this season would be seriously depressing. He's been in the country playing a few months in one of the toughest leagues in the world in a new country yet big dave from chess is saying he's not good enough. Absolute laughable. I think it's fair that folk discuss players and their performances, as for questioning a players ability, again I don't have an issue with this. From what I've read no-one has gone in particularly hard & certainly nothing abusive or derogatory, people are merely saying he isn't playing with the same charm & charisma he was initially. Has he had a loss in form? Not fully recovered from the Millwall injury? Not getting the service he requires? Just not feeling it like he was? Can't acclimatise to playing in the cold/damp conditions? Could be a host of reasons, no-ones really questioning his ability or him directly, just trying to figure out how to get the Vidigal of August/September back as something clearly not the same at the moment as it was pre injury. I recall an interesting few lines from Ian Cranson who was summarising for a match as Vidigal was returning from injury & he was being labelled as a saviour as our then main goalscorer was returning to the matchday squad on the bench. Cranson clearly said that Vidigals a player with great ability but Stoke fans shouldn't pin all their hopes on him to be some kind of goal machine in this side as he's predominantly a winger and despite having a great start with cutting in and scoring, the expectation levels maybe to high for him so soon. Cranny appears to be absolutely bob on with his prediction, as Stoke fans we can't help ourselves in getting abit excitable amd carried away with things from time to time. Perhaps Vidigals encouraging & impactive start to his Stoke career had bamboozled some fans into thinking he was some kind of golden nugget & was going to be the current day Arnie or Shaq for us in the Championship. There's nothing to suggest he won't be either, perhaps all he needs is a goal or a great assist to recapture his early season form. Perhaps there are deeper issues at play behind the scenes affecting the whole team, really dont see Stoke fans discussing such reasons as a major issue as you seem to suggest it is 🤔🙄 |
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Post by callas12 on Nov 29, 2023 19:20:50 GMT
In the summer we didn't add one bit of raw pace. Leris, Vidigal and Maee are all seriously one paced. Campbell and Bae look like the only ones who could even dream of going past anyone. Hippo is quicker than Gayle. Do slighlty disagree with the suggestion that Vidigal is one - paced.. In his early games I noticed he had an ability of running for a ball & being able to excert extra pace by going up a gear and really stretching his legs out to run with the ball. Haven't seen it so much in his recent matches as much, but I'm convinced he isn't one paced as perhaps the others are. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 19:21:33 GMT
A bit like Baker when he first arrived where everything he hit went in, masking the fact that his general play without the goals is a bit underwhelming.
Whether a better coach can get the old Vidigal back I'm not sure but I don't think it will be long before we find out.
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Post by tejstokie on Nov 29, 2023 19:22:53 GMT
Doesn't look like he's playing with the same intensity or enjoyment as he was in August. The reality of Championship football may have kicked in. Lots of games, minimal rest time, high tempo and intensity matches, and getting lumps kicked out of him by experienced defenders. I think there is definitely a quality player in there, but this is going to be a steep learning curve for him and some of the other foreign lads. This. Welcome to English Football. Imagine him in Scotland less skill and more lumps lol |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 29, 2023 20:31:30 GMT
He’s seen through Gollum for the charlatan that he is - can’t see how any of them respond to such an odious little prick So instead of playing well to get a move he's decided to play shite so no one wants him, yeh that sounds right 🙄 |
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Post by kidcrewbob on Nov 29, 2023 22:38:36 GMT
He’s seen through Gollum for the charlatan that he is - can’t see how any of them respond to such an odious little prick So instead of playing well to get a move he's decided to play shite so no one wants him, yeh that sounds right 🙄 No, just that it may be part of that “losing the faith” thing that manifests when the dressing room is slowly but surely being lost - the half decent / intelligent players tend to pick up on managerial ineptitude more quickly than plodders who are more grateful for a game…… |
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