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Post by clintonbaptiste on Nov 5, 2023 19:17:26 GMT
He has been built up to be something that he probably isn't. Had a great start with those quick goals which looking at his record was a bit of a fluke. I like him, but he ain't the messiah. Prefer Haks there to be honest. I have to agree. I can’t fault Vidigal’s effort but I don’t get some of the furore around him, I think he’s been quite average to be honest. I think technically Haksabanovic is the better of the two although he was awful when he came on yesterday.
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Post by stokiedan17 on Nov 5, 2023 19:24:39 GMT
He has been built up to be something that he probably isn't. Had a great start with those quick goals which looking at his record was a bit of a fluke. I like him, but he ain't the messiah. Prefer Haks there to be honest. I have to agree. I can’t fault Vidigal’s effort but I don’t get some of the furore around him, I think he’s been quite average to be honest. I think technically Haksabanovic is the better of the two although he was awful when he came on yesterday. Christ what is wrong with you people ….
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 5, 2023 19:26:13 GMT
He didn’t do enough today. That Perry Ng had an easy game. To be fair Haks was also crap when he came on. I am under the impression that Ng is supposed to be one of the better right backs in the league, though I may be wrong. With Vidigal, I think he’s decent but completely isolated. He has a 33 year old behind him and he’s playing out wide with no one coming close to offer link up play. I like Johnson but it’s too much to ask for him to be everywhere when his starting position is so deep. I think Vidigal will likely finish the season on about 10 goals, which will be a decent, but not amazing, return.
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Post by idle on Nov 5, 2023 19:31:36 GMT
He didn’t do enough today. That Perry Ng had an easy game. To be fair Haks was also crap when he came on. Sooo, maybe Ng had a really good game?
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 5, 2023 19:35:32 GMT
He didn’t do enough today. That Perry Ng had an easy game. To be fair Haks was also crap when he came on. Sooo, maybe Ng had a really good game? He could have played the game with his slippers on. Was he good or were our wingers both crap? Maybe a bit of both.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 5, 2023 19:36:05 GMT
Certainly doesn’t look at it. Definite potential there but think he just needs to adapt more to climate etc. We are well stocked with wide players and rotation is key whilst keeping them all fit. I find Haks more frustrating, his left foot is only for making sure he doesn’t fall over when standing up. The break yesterday when Bonham threw it out was begging for him to take the man on the outside and cut in for a finish, instead he just cut back in straight away and into trouble
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Post by fortressbritannia on Nov 5, 2023 19:41:39 GMT
Thought all out wide players were awful to be honest. Though credit to Cardiff I thought their defensive shape was excellent the effort they put in for the best I've seen at stoke for years. Once they lost the ball they were back into shape in a blink of an eye.
The fact that we only had 1 corner at home proves how poor we were out wide
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Post by nonameface on Nov 5, 2023 19:46:34 GMT
5 goals in 10 games, 1 every 139 minutes.
If he continues that rate he will get
c10 more goals if his score rate and injury rate is maintained. That would be the best we've had in years from any front position, let alone an inside left forward.
c15 more if he plays all the remaining league games and continues his goals to game rate.
c20 more if he plays all remaining minutes and his goals per minute rate continues.
Even if he got 10 goals in total for the season that would be a very good return, but he's more likely to do better!
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Post by mrrine on Nov 5, 2023 20:05:06 GMT
5 goals in 10 games, 1 every 139 minutes. If he continues that rate he will get c10 more goals if his score rate and injury rate is maintained. That would be the best we've had in years from any front position, let alone an inside left forward. c15 more if he plays all the remaining league games and continues his goals to game rate. c20 more if he plays all remaining minutes and his goals per minute rate continues. Even if he got 10 goals in total for the season that would be a very good return, but he's more likely to do better! Id be quietly quite pleased if he gets 10 more from now til close
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Post by lordb on Nov 5, 2023 20:12:20 GMT
5 goals in 10 games, 1 every 139 minutes. If he continues that rate he will get c10 more goals if his score rate and injury rate is maintained. That would be the best we've had in years from any front position, let alone an inside left forward. c15 more if he plays all the remaining league games and continues his goals to game rate. c20 more if he plays all remaining minutes and his goals per minute rate continues. Even if he got 10 goals in total for the season that would be a very good return, but he's more likely to do better! Id be quietly quite pleased if he gets 10 more from now til close 10 in total including the goals he already has would be good
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Post by thornestein on Nov 5, 2023 20:27:47 GMT
He has been built up to be something that he probably isn't. Had a great start with those quick goals which looking at his record was a bit of a fluke. I like him, but he ain't the messiah. Prefer Haks there to be honest. I have to agree. I can’t fault Vidigal’s effort but I don’t get some of the furore around him, I think he’s been quite average to be honest. I think technically Haksabanovic is the better of the two although he was awful when he came on yesterday. goals blind ppl , hes been decent but not the star some think hes been
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Nov 5, 2023 21:01:29 GMT
5 goals.
Been out injured.
He cost £450k
Tom Ince cost £12 million.
Jesus wept.
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Post by lordb on Nov 5, 2023 21:23:42 GMT
5 goals. Been out injured. He cost £450k Tom Ince cost £12 million. Jesus wept. 'just' the £10m for Ince It was Afobe who cost £12m
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Post by BuzzB on Nov 5, 2023 21:49:28 GMT
I have to agree. I can’t fault Vidigal’s effort but I don’t get some of the furore around him, I think he’s been quite average to be honest. I think technically Haksabanovic is the better of the two although he was awful when he came on yesterday. Christ what is wrong with you people …. Meaning? Just my opinion mate, I like him as he puts a shift in and has some quality. He scored 7 goals last season ( correct me if wrong), burst onto our scene with a rapid 5 goals and a lot of fans think he is a goal machine. That’s all I’m saying. Give me Vidigal over Brown any day. We all have different views that’s fine.
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 6, 2023 1:53:02 GMT
Christ what is wrong with you people …. Meaning? Just my opinion mate, I like him as he puts a shift in and has some quality. He scored 7 goals last season ( correct me if wrong), burst onto our scene with a rapid 5 goals and a lot of fans think he is a goal machine. That’s all I’m saying. Give me Vidigal over Brown any day. We all have different views that’s fine. Seems a lovely character willing to work and has skills. I'll still love him even if he only scores 12 this season.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Nov 6, 2023 9:33:58 GMT
I have to agree. I can’t fault Vidigal’s effort but I don’t get some of the furore around him, I think he’s been quite average to be honest. I think technically Haksabanovic is the better of the two although he was awful when he came on yesterday. goals blind ppl , hes been decent but not the star some think hes been Exactly my point. Nobody is saying he's bad, he's doing well and will hopefully get better. The hype he's received just doesn't tally with what I've seen on the pitch, must be the jazzy haircut.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Nov 6, 2023 11:45:07 GMT
Everyone's allowed an off day which is what Saturday will go down as.
Got sucked into a battle with Ng instead of just playing his game.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Nov 6, 2023 11:47:56 GMT
He didn’t do enough today. That Perry Ng had an easy game. To be fair Haks was also crap when he came on. I am under the impression that Ng is supposed to be one of the better right backs in the league, though I may be wrong. With Vidigal, I think he’s decent but completely isolated. He has a 33 year old behind him and he’s playing out wide with no one coming close to offer link up play. I like Johnson but it’s too much to ask for him to be everywhere when his starting position is so deep. I think Vidigal will likely finish the season on about 10 goals, which will be a decent, but not amazing, return. Spot on: "With Vidigal, I think he’s decent but completely isolated. He has a 33 year old behind him and he’s playing out wide with no one coming close to offer link up play. I like Johnson but it’s too much to ask for him to be everywhere when his starting position is so deep. "
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Post by jokker on Nov 6, 2023 13:25:40 GMT
He didn’t do enough today. That Perry Ng had an easy game. To be fair Haks was also crap when he came on. I am under the impression that Ng is supposed to be one of the better right backs in the league, though I may be wrong. With Vidigal, I think he’s decent but completely isolated. He has a 33 year old behind him and he’s playing out wide with no one coming close to offer link up play. I like Johnson but it’s too much to ask for him to be everywhere when his starting position is so deep. I think Vidigal will likely finish the season on about 10 goals, which will be a decent, but not amazing, return. Stoke forwards don't do double figures, you know that.
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 6, 2023 13:52:45 GMT
I am under the impression that Ng is supposed to be one of the better right backs in the league, though I may be wrong. With Vidigal, I think he’s decent but completely isolated. He has a 33 year old behind him and he’s playing out wide with no one coming close to offer link up play. I like Johnson but it’s too much to ask for him to be everywhere when his starting position is so deep. I think Vidigal will likely finish the season on about 10 goals, which will be a decent, but not amazing, return. Stoke forwards don't do double figures, you know that. Hopefully, at least Vidigal changes that this season. I’m hoping that Mmaee does as well. I’m not sure what will happen r.e., Wesley, but we surely need about 3-4 players getting 10+ if we want to get into the playoffs?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2023 14:20:53 GMT
I personally think he is a good player.
Hard to judge young players at Stoke .
Alfie Doughty and Jacob Brown weren't rated by many on here playing for Stoke. Though they seem fine playing against Liverpool in the premier league for Luton . Jack Clark looks decent for Sunderland, though wasn't rated by many on here, for Stoke .
I think Vidigal picked up a really bad knock at Millwall and is maybe 80 per cent fit right now ? But I think he is personally ambitious and will work hard to move on to better than Stoke .
Good luck to him.
I reckon the lads got character and will work on his game to succeed. A bit like Doughty , Brown and Clarke
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 6, 2023 15:20:17 GMT
I despair at times.
The guy has moved to another country, playing in a different sort of football, playing with a bunch of strangers, and hits the ground running scoring goals, which isn't his prime role.
He's been out for weeks due to injury and is coming back into the squad. He wan't a Neil first team choice in the first place and has been used as a sub.
His primary role is to create an opening and provide opportunities for others to score, but often there is no one there for him to feed, or they are marked out of the game - we have been playing the better teams in the league who have conceded few goals.
Please get behind the guy and give him every encouragement; he could turn into a major talent in time. Remember it took Arni half a season before he started to make an impression.
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Post by spoton on Nov 6, 2023 15:26:42 GMT
5 goals. Been out injured. He cost £450k Tom Ince cost £12 million. Jesus wept. 'just' the £10m for Ince It was Afobe who cost £12m how much was Brown ? id say hes on par with him no worse no better but Brown definitely worked harder and more versatile
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Post by Veritas on Nov 6, 2023 16:37:52 GMT
'just' the £10m for Ince It was Afobe who cost £12m how much was Brown ? id say hes on par with him no worse no better but Brown definitely worked harder and more versatile No disrespect to Brown but Vidigal has already shown he is a much better footballer.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 6, 2023 16:51:34 GMT
Would rather have him playing for us,rather than against us.
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Post by jokker on Nov 6, 2023 17:10:58 GMT
Stoke forwards don't do double figures, you know that. Hopefully, at least Vidigal changes that this season. I’m hoping that Mmaee does as well. I’m not sure what will happen r.e., Wesley, but we surely need about 3-4 players getting 10+ if we want to get into the playoffs? I'll meet you halfway. 4 players can get 10+ as long as we don't get into the playoffs. Why? We're simply not good enough to get there, let alone compete against the top 3-5 clubs, and if by some strange performances we'd get in anyway and won those games, we'd be murdered in the PL, which has changed so much since we were last there. We'd make Sheff United and Luton look like world beaters by comparison. Instead we should concentrate on building a coherent squad, add another ten over the next three windows, and then we can make a push for it.
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Post by lordb on Nov 6, 2023 17:12:57 GMT
'just' the £10m for Ince It was Afobe who cost £12m how much was Brown ? id say hes on par with him no worse no better but Brown definitely worked harder and more versatile Better than Ince? Undoubtedly despite having no way as much skill I'd rather have you at number 7 than Ince Or do you mean better than Videgal? Ask again in May but Videgal looks better
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Post by lordb on Nov 6, 2023 17:19:15 GMT
Hopefully, at least Vidigal changes that this season. I’m hoping that Mmaee does as well. I’m not sure what will happen r.e., Wesley, but we surely need about 3-4 players getting 10+ if we want to get into the playoffs? I'll meet you halfway. 4 players can get 10+ as long as we don't get into the playoffs. Why? We're simply not good enough to get there, let alone compete against the top 3-5 clubs, and if by some strange performances we'd get in anyway and won those games, we'd be murdered in the PL, which has changed so much since we were last there. We'd make Sheff United and Luton look like world beaters by comparison. Instead we should concentrate on building a coherent squad, add another ten over the next three windows, and then we can make a push for it. There's usually at least 1 and sometimes up to 4 shit teams in the play offs Along with at least a dozen other clubs we are a million miles from challenging for automatic promotion but along with those same clubs we have as much chance of making 6th spot as they do for the simple reason we are all as good/bad as each other 100% you'd expect a humiliation in the pl but we have never been a yo yo club, happy to go up and take the money if we have to Be absolutely amazed if all 4 play off clubs are clearly of better quality than whoever finishes below all the way down to at least 14th or so
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 6, 2023 17:23:00 GMT
Hopefully, at least Vidigal changes that this season. I’m hoping that Mmaee does as well. I’m not sure what will happen r.e., Wesley, but we surely need about 3-4 players getting 10+ if we want to get into the playoffs? I'll meet you halfway. 4 players can get 10+ as long as we don't get into the playoffs. Why? We're simply not good enough to get there, let alone compete against the top 3-5 clubs, and if by some strange performances we'd get in anyway and won those games, we'd be murdered in the PL, which has changed so much since we were last there. We'd make Sheff United and Luton look like world beaters by comparison. Instead we should concentrate on building a coherent squad, add another ten over the next three windows, and then we can make a push for it. That's a bit of a silly statement bearing in mind our last 4 opponents. I do agree we'd likely get slaughtered if we went up next summer but it shouldn't stop us giving it a go. Plus everyone said the same last time.
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Post by questionable on Nov 6, 2023 18:30:05 GMT
Watched the Charlton FA Cup game last night and they reckoned that Charltons CF Leadburn?? was subject to a 3 million bid from a German club in the summer but Charlton had turned down the offer as he was Chelsea/Brentford bound, he looked a right donkey when he came on.
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