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Post by mrcoke on Nov 6, 2023 21:17:21 GMT
Hopefully, at least Vidigal changes that this season. I’m hoping that Mmaee does as well. I’m not sure what will happen r.e., Wesley, but we surely need about 3-4 players getting 10+ if we want to get into the playoffs? I'll meet you halfway. 4 players can get 10+ as long as we don't get into the playoffs. Why? We're simply not good enough to get there, let alone compete against the top 3-5 clubs, and if by some strange performances we'd get in anyway and won those games, we'd be murdered in the PL, which has changed so much since we were last there. We'd make Sheff United and Luton look like world beaters by comparison. Instead we should concentrate on building a coherent squad, add another ten over the next three windows, and then we can make a push for it. I don't agree with your prognosis on 3 counts: 1. To get into the playoffs we will have to improve significantly. I believe there is a lot of potential still in this squad. 2. To win the playoffs we would have to not only improve significantly but make some astute successful signings in January. I have been far more impressed with Neil's signings than all the managers since Hughes early years. 3. If we were promoted we would obviously strengthen the squad and replace those players simply not good enough for the Prem. There are plenty of young players in our squad who have potential to improve and step up to a higher level. Other clubs have done it like Brentford. Football is a team game and success depends on synergy not just the sum of the parts.
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Post by jokker on Nov 7, 2023 9:06:56 GMT
I'll meet you halfway. 4 players can get 10+ as long as we don't get into the playoffs. Why? We're simply not good enough to get there, let alone compete against the top 3-5 clubs, and if by some strange performances we'd get in anyway and won those games, we'd be murdered in the PL, which has changed so much since we were last there. We'd make Sheff United and Luton look like world beaters by comparison. Instead we should concentrate on building a coherent squad, add another ten over the next three windows, and then we can make a push for it. I don't agree with your prognosis on 3 counts: 1. To get into the playoffs we will have to improve significantly. I believe there is a lot of potential still in this squad. 2. To win the playoffs we would have to not only improve significantly but make some astute successful signings in January. I have been far more impressed with Neil's signings than all the managers since Hughes early years. 3. If we were promoted we would obviously strengthen the squad and replace those players simply not good enough for the Prem. There are plenty of young players in our squad who have potential to improve and step up to a higher level. Other clubs have done it like Brentford. Football is a team game and success depends on synergy not just the sum of the parts. Brentford didn't do it your way. They came close twice each time missing out in the play-offs and brought in experienced internationals not to mention an international manager with pedigree. We haven't been remotely close to the play-offs, we just have an old school donkey and a bunch of nobodies, and while that combination has worked for us before, times have changed but we haven't. We can go up eventually of course. It might even be in this century...
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Post by jokker on Nov 7, 2023 9:22:07 GMT
I'll meet you halfway. 4 players can get 10+ as long as we don't get into the playoffs. Why? We're simply not good enough to get there, let alone compete against the top 3-5 clubs, and if by some strange performances we'd get in anyway and won those games, we'd be murdered in the PL, which has changed so much since we were last there. We'd make Sheff United and Luton look like world beaters by comparison. Instead we should concentrate on building a coherent squad, add another ten over the next three windows, and then we can make a push for it. There's usually at least 1 and sometimes up to 4 shit teams in the play offs Along with at least a dozen other clubs we are a million miles from challenging for automatic promotion but along with those same clubs we have as much chance of making 6th spot as they do for the simple reason we are all as good/bad as each other100% you'd expect a humiliation in the pl but we have never been a yo yo club, happy to go up and take the money if we have to Be absolutely amazed if all 4 play off clubs are clearly of better quality than whoever finishes below all the way down to at least 14th or so I agree that between currently 3rd and 17th any team could be swapped for another and no one will notice. But we've just had 3½ good games. It'll take more, and we need to see where we are after the December/January campaign. Let's just see for now how we do against the allegedly bad teams in the C that we tend to do poorly against, like QPR, Plymouth and Coventry, which just happen to come up soon. If we don't do it versus those, it'll be because we belong with them, as we've done since we came down, and not further up.
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Post by acstokie on Nov 7, 2023 11:52:17 GMT
I don't agree with your prognosis on 3 counts: 1. To get into the playoffs we will have to improve significantly. I believe there is a lot of potential still in this squad. 2. To win the playoffs we would have to not only improve significantly but make some astute successful signings in January. I have been far more impressed with Neil's signings than all the managers since Hughes early years. 3. If we were promoted we would obviously strengthen the squad and replace those players simply not good enough for the Prem. There are plenty of young players in our squad who have potential to improve and step up to a higher level. Other clubs have done it like Brentford. Football is a team game and success depends on synergy not just the sum of the parts. Brentford didn't do it your way. They came close twice each time missing out in the play-offs and brought in experienced internationals not to mention an international manager with pedigree. We haven't been remotely close to the play-offs, we just have an old school donkey and a bunch of nobodies, and while that combination has worked for us before, times have changed but we haven't. We can go up eventually of course. It might even be in this century... Are you saying Neil is an old school donkey? If so is that based on his nationality? If you are comparing him to Pulis then that can only be because both are bald, as their tactics and training methods are a world apart? I never get this love in for foreign managers, re Brentford Frank was coach at Brentford under Dean Smith (no doubt considered another old school dinosaur) Frank admitted himself he had learnt a lot from Smith and Brentford plumped for Frank to try and keep continuity. Of last years top 6, 5 were British managers and the other had spend a large proportion of his career in England.
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Post by lordb on Nov 7, 2023 12:17:18 GMT
There's usually at least 1 and sometimes up to 4 shit teams in the play offs Along with at least a dozen other clubs we are a million miles from challenging for automatic promotion but along with those same clubs we have as much chance of making 6th spot as they do for the simple reason we are all as good/bad as each other100% you'd expect a humiliation in the pl but we have never been a yo yo club, happy to go up and take the money if we have to Be absolutely amazed if all 4 play off clubs are clearly of better quality than whoever finishes below all the way down to at least 14th or so I agree that between currently 3rd and 17th any team could be swapped for another and no one will notice. But we've just had 3½ good games. It'll take more, and we need to see where we are after the December/January campaign. Let's just see for now how we do against the allegedly bad teams in the C that we tend to do poorly against, like QPR, Plymouth and Coventry, which just happen to come up soon. If we don't do it versus those, it'll be because we belong with them, as we've done since we came down, and not further up. That's a different argument & I agree all the same you can be bottom half in March & still make the play offs, regularly happens Think we would all be more comfortable if we can make & stay in the top 10, at least, over the course of this season we haven't done that in the second half of a season since relegation, time to change that
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Post by chumley on Nov 28, 2023 21:58:20 GMT
Yet another who has lost interest, what the hell is wrong with him, anonymous tonight.
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Post by figo85 on Nov 28, 2023 21:59:18 GMT
I honestly thought he was going to get us promoted, pre Millwall. He’s realised that being booted about on a freezing Tuesday isn’t his cuppa.
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Post by matelot1996 on Nov 28, 2023 22:00:37 GMT
Yet another who has lost interest, what the hell is wrong with him, anonymous tonight. Keeps playing him out wide. He obviously doesn't want to play there.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 28, 2023 23:15:09 GMT
What’s happened to him?
He just doesn’t seem the same player since coming back. Not sure if it’s a fitness thing but we need to see the early season version back asap.
It could be a confidence thing but he doesn’t seem as happy as he was.
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Post by loosestools on Nov 28, 2023 23:17:11 GMT
What’s happened to him? He just doesn’t seem the same player since coming back. Not sure if it’s a fitness thing but we need to see the early season version back asap. It could be a confidence thing but he doesn’t seem as happy as he was. m He's been found out and other teams know how to nullify him.
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Post by mrteddysalad on Nov 28, 2023 23:19:54 GMT
This club needs a new strategy, like signing players that are good at football
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Post by mcw on Nov 28, 2023 23:20:00 GMT
Flattered to deceive and looking every bit the £350k league one signing he probably is. Utter dogshit
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Post by tinofspam on Nov 28, 2023 23:20:24 GMT
We’re trying to take the interest away from him (and maybe the rest of the squad), expect a fully firing Vidigal after the January transfer window😄
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Post by peterthornesboots on Nov 28, 2023 23:20:59 GMT
What’s happened to him? He just doesn’t seem the same player since coming back. Not sure if it’s a fitness thing but we need to see the early season version back asap. It could be a confidence thing but he doesn’t seem as happy as he was. m He's been found out and other teams know how to nullify him. This, in a nutshell. It is also worth noting that he has never been a prolific goal scorer. So his early form in front of goal appears to have been a little bit of a flash in the pan. He still has the makings of a good player for this level though. It just might be a little bit of a steep learning curve at times in this first season.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 28, 2023 23:22:20 GMT
What’s happened to him? He just doesn’t seem the same player since coming back. Not sure if it’s a fitness thing but we need to see the early season version back asap. It could be a confidence thing but he doesn’t seem as happy as he was. m He's been found out and other teams know how to nullify him. Found out? I’m not sure it’s as simple as that. I wouldn’t say he’s a one trick pony. If I could take a guess it’s maybe the physical side of the game he’s struggling with which hasn’t been helped by him not getting much protection by refs.
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Post by mcw on Nov 28, 2023 23:24:16 GMT
He's been found out and other teams know how to nullify him. Found out? I’m not sure it’s as simple as that. I wouldn’t say he’s a one trick pony. If I could take a guess it’s maybe the physical side of the game he’s struggling with which hasn’t been helped by him not getting much protection by refs. If you aren’t going to get protection then toughen up and play then at their own game. Mmae and him are too fucking lightweight for this league.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 28, 2023 23:32:59 GMT
Found out? I’m not sure it’s as simple as that. I wouldn’t say he’s a one trick pony. If I could take a guess it’s maybe the physical side of the game he’s struggling with which hasn’t been helped by him not getting much protection by refs. If you aren’t going to get protection then toughen up and play then at their own game. Mmae and him are too fucking lightweight for this league. I think maybe it’s just a case of them adjusting. I’ve seen enough signs in both that they’re decent. I think we’ll see better from them. I certainly think we looked more threatening with the 3 up front and Bae behind than we did v Blackburn.
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Post by BuzzB on Nov 28, 2023 23:43:53 GMT
Vidigal looked good in August, Juhno looked lightweight and off the pace, how the tables have turned. One has adjusted to life in this league and one is finding it hard. Shit happens. Give him time.
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Post by stokiedan17 on Nov 28, 2023 23:49:33 GMT
Vidigal looked good in August, Juhno looked lightweight and off the pace, how the tables have turned. One has adjusted to life in this league and one is finding it hard. Shit happens. Give him time. We said the same about Jack Clarke and to an extent philogene bidace. And look how they are thriving at the minute.
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Post by Gods on Nov 28, 2023 23:56:00 GMT
This club needs a new strategy, like signing players that are good at football Elephant in the room. The summer transfer business was a complete cluster fuck.
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Post by swampySCFC on Nov 29, 2023 0:10:39 GMT
Thought he wanted off. can't hack it in the Championship
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 29, 2023 0:25:07 GMT
Had high hopes for him after that blistering start. It's been a long time since we had a player come in and so quickly win over the fans. He's been poor since the injury. Hopefully just going through a rough patch and will get back in the goals ASAP. Can still see him hitting 12 or 13 for us this season which wouldn't be a disaster for a first season in England.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Nov 29, 2023 4:21:01 GMT
He’s seen through Gollum for the charlatan that he is - can’t see how any of them respond to such an odious little prick
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 5:27:45 GMT
Maybe he's just actually not that good, which is what his career record suggests.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 29, 2023 6:51:06 GMT
Another one of Jared’s hopeless Buys , only burger can possibly b seen as an improvement on what we had
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Post by Trouserdog on Nov 29, 2023 7:03:22 GMT
He's going to be a player who blows hot and cold.
Definitely got something about him, but he's going to frustrate at times.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Nov 29, 2023 8:16:11 GMT
Maybe he's just actually not that good, which is what his career record suggests. I suspect this sadly is the answer. Probably motivation dropping too as he realises we aren't going to be challenging this season as he was promised.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 29, 2023 8:23:15 GMT
I honestly thought he was going to get us promoted, pre Millwall. He’s realised that being booted about on a freezing Tuesday isn’t his cuppa. Aye he can't hack it on a cold wet Tuesday night at the bet365 either, as the saying goes about our once proud past. Back when we had something about us as a team.
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Post by andystokey on Nov 29, 2023 8:27:45 GMT
He's going to be a player who blows hot and cold. Definitely got something about him, but he's going to frustrate at times. I think he is fairly easy to defend against in the current set up and position. He was hopelessly offside trying to get some space last night. He needs the ball earlier and the other front players need to be more mobile and create some space. The whole team is incredibly predictable.
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Post by glpotter on Nov 29, 2023 9:35:51 GMT
Maybe he's just actually not that good, which is what his career record suggests. Harsh on junho and mmae for me
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