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Post by DC1863 on Oct 2, 2023 18:14:08 GMT
Dwight Gayle may be a top bloke, but he's in fucking comically bad form, shouldnt be anywhere near our starting 11.
I'm astounded anyone has watched him play in the last few months and wants him starting!
Has he ever had a good game for us in front of goal?
I'd rather play we Lowe or chuck Vidigal in there as a F9.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Oct 2, 2023 18:25:05 GMT
Mate have you seen him play in the last two seasons . Theres more chance he will block a shot going in than score himself. Waste of a place on the bench nevermind a start................. Nobody goes from the player Gayle has been to absolute garbage, sorry. Players struggle with form, confidence etc. Class is permanent, mate He is now half a yard slower has been ever since he came here also lost all his confidence
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Post by Gods on Oct 2, 2023 18:29:32 GMT
Lowe looks good but it’s a single goal - I wouldn’t be starting him. Protect him from the full expectation and pressure of leading the line and continue to introduce him as a sub. I’d actually look to use Gayle. Cue the ‘are you stupid etc etc’ comments - but over a long career his record is the best at the club and he is only 32 - very short of confidence Gayle has 1 goal in 2.5 years. I would have got that many, probably more, just hanging around th 6 yard box and I'm a middle aged man with a desk job 😳
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Post by fca47 on Oct 2, 2023 18:37:26 GMT
Lowe looks good but it’s a single goal - I wouldn’t be starting him. Protect him from the full expectation and pressure of leading the line and continue to introduce him as a sub. I’d actually look to use Gayle. Cue the ‘are you stupid etc etc’ comments - but over a long career his record is the best at the club and he is only 32 - very short of confidence Gayle has 1 goal in 2.5 years. I would have got that many, probably more, just hanging around th 6 yard box and I'm a middle aged man with a desk job 😳 Scored two at Sunderland.
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Post by Gods on Oct 2, 2023 18:43:21 GMT
Gayle has 1 goal in 2.5 years. I would have got that many, probably more, just hanging around th 6 yard box and I'm a middle aged man with a desk job 😳 Scored two at Sunderland. Good heavens, yes he did, apologies to Dwight, his family and anyone else who knows him! 3 goals in 3 years, borderline prolific!
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 2, 2023 18:45:35 GMT
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Post by lordb on Oct 2, 2023 19:10:59 GMT
Fair point Not sure Lowe is going to press either
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Post by stokeyank on Oct 2, 2023 19:16:41 GMT
Fair point Not sure Lowe is going to press either Agreed and I never thought that this would pop into my head... "would be a good game for Jacob Brown" He worked his socks off but I was okay that he moved on, now I'm not so sure.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 2, 2023 19:16:58 GMT
Spot on FM and as I said earlier in the thread we have to press them if we’re to trouble their back 5 and especially the keeper who looks very dodgy to me.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Oct 2, 2023 19:45:21 GMT
Still thought we looked poor in midfield in parts but subs made a huge difference. Travers Hoever Wilmot Mcnally Junior Pearson Burger Bae Leris Wesley (Lowe sub on 60) Hacks I think that this woukd be the team I would pick unless Gooch is fit. In reality Laurent will play in that midfield. With Haks and Leris both on the scoresheet against Bristal I doubt Vidigal would come straight back in. It would be amazing if Lowe was given a start, but realistically it would probably be too much to ask right now.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 2, 2023 19:48:53 GMT
Still thought we looked poor in midfield in parts but subs made a huge difference. Travers Hoever Wilmot Mcnally Junior Pearson Burger Bae Leris Wesley (Lowe sub on 60) Hacks I think that this woukd be the team I would pick unless Gooch is fit. In reality Laurent will play in that midfield. With Haks and Leris both on the scoresheet against Bristal I doubt Vidigal would come straight back in. It would be amazing if Lowe was given a start, but realistically it would probably be too much to ask right now. Yeh don’t think Lowe will start but Neil needs to get it into Wes’ head to make an absolute nuisance of himself in the first 45 at least. He must be capable of putting a shift in for that long.
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 2, 2023 20:05:40 GMT
I think that this woukd be the team I would pick unless Gooch is fit. In reality Laurent will play in that midfield. With Haks and Leris both on the scoresheet against Bristal I doubt Vidigal would come straight back in. It would be amazing if Lowe was given a start, but realistically it would probably be too much to ask right now. Yeh don’t think Lowe will start but Neil needs to get it into Wes’ head to make an absolute nuisance of himself in the first 45 at least. He must be capable of putting a shift in for that long. Have we been told how long Mmaee is out for?
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Post by musik on Oct 2, 2023 20:09:13 GMT
Travesty
Hoover Rose Wilmott Tchamadeu
Bae Pearson Johnson
Lleris Weezle Haksabanovic
Subs: Boner, McNally, Burger, Bakerman, Laurent, Vidigal, Love
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 2, 2023 20:15:01 GMT
Yeh don’t think Lowe will start but Neil needs to get it into Wes’ head to make an absolute nuisance of himself in the first 45 at least. He must be capable of putting a shift in for that long. Have we been told how long Mmaee is out for? Neil just keeps saying “a bit longer” so could be anything from next week to the turn of the year. We shouldn’t be thinking about Mmaee, he can’t play at the moment and no one knows when he will be back. And to be honest there isn’t much evidence he will improve our attack but I’m hopeful
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Post by idle on Oct 2, 2023 20:16:15 GMT
Fair point Not sure Lowe is going to press either Agreed and I never thought that this would pop into my head... "would be a good game for Jacob Brown" He worked his socks off but I was okay that he moved on, now I'm not so sure. We've gt Leris for that, and just need to fire up that Balkan temperament in Haks.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 2, 2023 20:35:52 GMT
Spot on FM and as I said earlier in the thread we have to press them if we’re to trouble their back 5 and especially the keeper who looks very dodgy to me. So not sure what options that leaves us with tomorrow? Is Gayle selectable? Looks a no-no for Wes, who he probably only ever saw as a Plan B off the bench And Lowe doesn't look a natural for it either. Frustrating that we couldn't manage to get another proper option in for a 4-3-3 like Thomas-Asante, or AN Other, once Brown went and the extent of Mmaee's hamstring injury was known to us with still a month of the market left.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Oct 2, 2023 20:41:47 GMT
Got to think outside the box here and play Leris up top.
Haks on the left, maybe Bae on the right but not ideal. Or maybe Bae as a false 9 and Leris on the right.
Boot the ball out for a goal kick at any opportunity, and pin them right back. Get stuck into Smallbone at every opportunity.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 2, 2023 20:49:29 GMT
Got to think outside the box here and play Leris up top. Haks on the left, maybe Bae on the right but not ideal. Or maybe Bae as a false 9 and Leris on the right. Boot the ball out for a goal kick at any opportunity, and pin them right back. Get stuck into Smallbone at every opportunity. Haks up top, Junho left and Leris on right.
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Oct 2, 2023 21:13:25 GMT
Spot on FM and as I said earlier in the thread we have to press them if we’re to trouble their back 5 and especially the keeper who looks very dodgy to me. So not sure what options that leaves us with tomorrow? Is Gayle selectable? Looks a no-no for Wes, who he probably only ever saw as a Plan B off the bench And Lowe doesn't look a natural for it either. Frustrating that we couldn't manage to get another proper option in for a 4-3-3 like Thomas-Asante, or AN Other, once Brown went and the extent of Mmaee's hamstring injury was known to us with still a month of the market left. When you put it like that, along with the fact he mentioned trying to freshen it up with the amount of games we’ve had, it wouldn’t be a massive surprise to see Gayle start up front. Whoever starts as the striker, if we can get Junho, Haks and Leris behind them and pressing we’ve got a chance. I would also like to see Burger and Pearson playing together as at times against Huddersfield they looked to be starting a good understanding with each other. That said I can’t see him dropping Laurent tomorrow.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 2, 2023 21:40:37 GMT
So not sure what options that leaves us with tomorrow? Is Gayle selectable? Looks a no-no for Wes, who he probably only ever saw as a Plan B off the bench And Lowe doesn't look a natural for it either. Frustrating that we couldn't manage to get another proper option in for a 4-3-3 like Thomas-Asante, or AN Other, once Brown went and the extent of Mmaee's hamstring injury was known to us with still a month of the market left. When you put it like that, along with the fact he mentioned trying to freshen it up with the amount of games we’ve had, it wouldn’t be a massive surprise to see Gayle start up front. Whoever starts as the striker, if we can get Junho, Haks and Leris behind them and pressing we’ve got a chance. I would also like to see Burger and Pearson playing together as at times against Huddersfield they looked to be starting a good understanding with each other. That said I can’t see him dropping Laurent tomorrow. I have an awful feeling he’s going to bottle it and go for a 3 of Pearson, Thompson, Laurent
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Post by fca47 on Oct 2, 2023 21:58:10 GMT
www.stokecityfc.com/videos/press-conferences?section=85c191e7-5794-4835-b75a-8c335916f61b(about 5:20 in) Angela Smith's question about pressing was an interesting one. He's almost laughing because he knows when we have to play Wes, it makes that side of the game a mess. If there's one game where you want to rattle their defence it's tomorrow. So it's not exactly a game you'd pencil Wes in for Watching the highlights against Leicester, most of the goals came from being caught out by the high press.
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Post by biddulphchav on Oct 3, 2023 0:12:45 GMT
He’s got more goals in this division than the rest of our squad combined - so ‘he’s not very good’ doesn’t really make much sense, particularly if you agree that at 33, his age is irrelevant. Do you believe his performances for Stoke justify him playing then? I believe he’s underperformed, but given the other options we have at our disposal I think he’s worth a shot with these new players we’ve got in. Last season we were a shambles - whoever was up front had no service. So in short, I think he’s the best goal threat we’ve got.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2023 5:28:49 GMT
Do you believe his performances for Stoke justify him playing then? I believe he’s underperformed, but given the other options we have at our disposal I think he’s worth a shot with these new players we’ve got in. Last season we were a shambles - whoever was up front had no service. So in short, I think he’s the best goal threat we’ve got. Laugh out loud.
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 3, 2023 6:19:11 GMT
When you put it like that, along with the fact he mentioned trying to freshen it up with the amount of games we’ve had, it wouldn’t be a massive surprise to see Gayle start up front. Whoever starts as the striker, if we can get Junho, Haks and Leris behind them and pressing we’ve got a chance. I would also like to see Burger and Pearson playing together as at times against Huddersfield they looked to be starting a good understanding with each other. That said I can’t see him dropping Laurent tomorrow. I have an awful feeling he’s going to bottle it and go for a 3 of Pearson, Thompson, Laurent That would suprise me after two positive performances
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Post by baconburger on Oct 3, 2023 7:00:45 GMT
I just can’t see us winning this one. Soton have a very good attack, I think they will score at least 2, so it’s whether we have our shooting boots on or not. If not, I fear it could be a long night. Smallpiece scored the other day, hopefully that was him getting it out of the way for a few games.. That’s about half a season’s worth for him we should be ok for the return fixture never mind tonight but shit weren’t his goal and three assists in a game pretty close together. We could just as easily be fuked.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Oct 3, 2023 9:49:36 GMT
Spot on FM and as I said earlier in the thread we have to press them if we’re to trouble their back 5 and especially the keeper who looks very dodgy to me. So not sure what options that leaves us with tomorrow? Is Gayle selectable? Looks a no-no for Wes, who he probably only ever saw as a Plan B off the bench And Lowe doesn't look a natural for it either. Frustrating that we couldn't manage to get another proper option in for a 4-3-3 like Thomas-Asante, or AN Other, once Brown went and the extent of Mmaee's hamstring injury was known to us with still a month of the market left. We have got 10 forwards plus Bae its not a numbers issue. The current problem is Maaee, Vidigal, Tezgel and Campbell are injured, its too early for Jojic, and Wesley and Lowe are not natural pressers. His option is Haks, Leris and Bae given Gayle's ineptitude.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 3, 2023 10:14:53 GMT
So not sure what options that leaves us with tomorrow? Is Gayle selectable? Looks a no-no for Wes, who he probably only ever saw as a Plan B off the bench And Lowe doesn't look a natural for it either. Frustrating that we couldn't manage to get another proper option in for a 4-3-3 like Thomas-Asante, or AN Other, once Brown went and the extent of Mmaee's hamstring injury was known to us with still a month of the market left. We have got 10 forwards plus Bae its not a numbers issue. The current problem is Maaee, Vidigal, Tezgel and Campbell are injured, its too early for Jojic, and Wesley and Lowe are not natural pressers. His option is Haks, Leris and Bae given Gayle's ineptitude. I think you're probably right with the three we'll end up with tonight, unless we just roll the dice one more time with Gayle, who is quite busy for all his faults, and did okay in several impressive away games. But it is a bit of a numbers issue for the central striker when we're down to possibly playing Haksabanovic there, with no real history of it. With the way we were making multiple bids for Thomas-Asante, Neil clearly thought it was an important gap to fill for precisely this type of game - as Mmaee had already been injured for three weeks at that point and we must've known it was likely to linger, leaving Wes, the only other real number 9 available, who offered next to no pressing, something that he's always based his teams on. His grin and little giggle when asked about the pressing structure of the team said a thousand words. I'm not sure Campbell was ever really an option in the middle of a three, and the same really with Vidigal - with the two 17yos never going to get major minutes for any Championship club.
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Post by foster on Oct 3, 2023 10:18:58 GMT
He mentions "freshening it up" in both this and the press conference - but acknowledges he hasn't got many options. Says it'd be "a big ask" for any of the injured players to return tomorrow. So maybe unlikely for Vidigal, although he's never forthcoming with injury stuff. Think AN needs to cut back a bit on the bacon and cheese oatcakes. Seems to gain a kilo every interview. Either that or the kitmans been shrinking his training gear.
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Post by theonlooker on Oct 3, 2023 10:28:55 GMT
He mentions "freshening it up" in both this and the press conference - but acknowledges he hasn't got many options. Says it'd be "a big ask" for any of the injured players to return tomorrow. So maybe unlikely for Vidigal, although he's never forthcoming with injury stuff. Think AN needs to cut back a bit on the bacon and cheese oatcakes. Seems to gain a kilo every interview. Either that or the kitmans been shrinking his training gear. Have heard a number of interviews with managers over the years who comment on how easy it is for them to pile on the weight. Long hours, irregular eating patterns, service station food, late eating etc.
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Post by medwaypotter on Oct 3, 2023 10:36:15 GMT
He mentions "freshening it up" in both this and the press conference - but acknowledges he hasn't got many options. Says it'd be "a big ask" for any of the injured players to return tomorrow. So maybe unlikely for Vidigal, although he's never forthcoming with injury stuff. Think AN needs to cut back a bit on the bacon and cheese oatcakes. Seems to gain a kilo every interview. Either that or the kitmans been shrinking his training gear. Sponsored by Foodhub, must be taking full advantage.
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