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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 26, 2023 21:23:03 GMT
He didn’t say that. Why don’t you watch or read the press conference? Because football managers speaking is about the most wank thing to do with football? They should just be kept locked up somewhere or something.
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Post by LphPotter on Sept 26, 2023 21:27:03 GMT
He didn’t say that. Why don’t you watch or read the press conference? Because football managers speaking is about the most wank thing to do with football? They should just be kept locked up somewhere or something. You’ve just commented on something that he didn’t say though? Even if you just read this thread it’s been pointed out that he didn’t say what knotFM quoted him as saying, hence why they’ve deleted it. I don’t normally read or listen to whole press conferences but I wanted to see if he’d actually said that and it wasn’t even close to being what he said.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 26, 2023 21:29:28 GMT
Because football managers speaking is about the most wank thing to do with football? They should just be kept locked up somewhere or something. You’ve just commented on something that he didn’t say though? Even if you just read this thread it’s been pointed out that he didn’t say what knotFM quoted him as saying, hence why they’ve deleted it. I don’t normally read or listen to whole press conferences but I wanted to see if he’d actually said that and it wasn’t even close to being what he said. I don’t actually care.
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Post by delilahwhy on Sept 26, 2023 21:31:43 GMT
You’ve just commented on something that he didn’t say though? Even if you just read this thread it’s been pointed out that he didn’t say what knotFM quoted him as saying, hence why they’ve deleted it. I don’t normally read or listen to whole press conferences but I wanted to see if he’d actually said that and it wasn’t even close to being what he said. I don’t actually care.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 26, 2023 21:32:22 GMT
What does the club is Toxic actually mean though? He's a manager, paid a good salary, allowed to sign a new squad practically without interference it seems and can't do the job. The fault for me lies with one person. I know other managers failed before but we're not the first relegated club not to reach the expectations ...Villa chopped and changed regularly and managers failed there before promotion. Sheff Weds, Leeds , Sunderland have dropped further than us and took a long time to get it right ..well better, not right as still at our level . Is about us getting the right man and everything is in place for him but not happened. Last 6 managers in a row have failed. Some of them failed very badly. They can't all be shit. My opinion. So yes there is something else somewhere in the club thats causing the problem. Atmosphere the club create? I don't know. Maybe like pubs, some have a good vibe and some don't, Stoke appears to have a bad vibe. Who knows. Happened to a few clubs though who were possibly expected to get back to the Prem quicker and maybe the expectation was too high. Not saying that we were expected to bounce back quickly but like the clubs mentioned, the longer it doesn't happen perhaps the harder it gets and relegated and promoted sides overtake you and it gets tougher as time goes on
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 26, 2023 21:32:53 GMT
Haha far from it. It’s just irrelevant.
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Post by LphPotter on Sept 26, 2023 21:35:31 GMT
Haha far from it. It’s just irrelevant. It’s irrelevant that the thing you called him a dickhead for saying isn’t what even close to what he said? Amazing.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 26, 2023 21:36:32 GMT
Haha far from it. It’s just irrelevant. It’s irrelevant that the thing you called him a dickhead for saying isn’t what even close to what he said? Amazing. Yes because he’s a dickhead irrespective.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 26, 2023 21:38:44 GMT
What does the club is Toxic actually mean though? He's a manager, paid a good salary, allowed to sign a new squad practically without interference it seems and can't do the job. The fault for me lies with one person. I know other managers failed before but we're not the first relegated club not to reach the expectations ...Villa chopped and changed regularly and managers failed there before promotion. Sheff Weds, Leeds , Sunderland have dropped further than us and took a long time to get it right ..well better, not right as still at our level . Is about us getting the right man and everything is in place for him but not happened. Last 6 managers in a row have failed. Some of them failed very badly. They can't all be shit. My opinion. So yes there is something else somewhere in the club thats causing the problem. Atmosphere the club create? I don't know. Maybe like pubs, some have a good vibe and some don't, Stoke appears to have a bad vibe. Who knows. They can all be shit though. MON, zero real experience of club management at a decent level, did well in keeping us up using needs must then got his own ideas involved and it fell apart. Rowett, he's a solid Champ manager if you don't have too much ambition of promotion and spent a shit ton of money on solid if unspectacular Champ players. Jones, Luton is starting to seem a one off where it all fell into place for him. Maybe there's nothing toxic or whatever laying underneath and they are just a bit crap, it wouldn't be the first time a club constantly hires poor managers.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 26, 2023 21:57:10 GMT
Haha far from it. It’s just irrelevant. It’s irrelevant that the thing you called him a dickhead for saying isn’t what even close to what he said? Amazing. Which thing have you watched, the two-minute thing FM posted? Presumably the Knot quote came from somewhere? I actually think it’s a bit weird that they reported then deleted it, and then it doesn’t appear in anything the club released 🤔
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Post by LphPotter on Sept 26, 2023 22:06:29 GMT
It’s irrelevant that the thing you called him a dickhead for saying isn’t what even close to what he said? Amazing. Which thing have you watched, the two-minute thing FM posted? Presumably the Knot quote came from somewhere? I actually think it’s a bit weird that they reported then deleted it, and then it doesn’t appear in anything the club released 🤔 There’s a 9/10 minute video of the conference on the club site, it’s also all in here www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-live-bournemouth-neil-8782748 They were quoting from the same thing so I think they were just paraphrasing and then deleted it when they realised it wasn’t really too accurate.
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Post by pavel on Sept 26, 2023 22:22:27 GMT
It feels like end of days only 8 games into the season. What a shambles.
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Post by Gods on Sept 26, 2023 22:29:38 GMT
It feels like end of days only 8 games into the season. What a shambles. Weird isn't it? Feels like yesterday that we had that 'meet the leadership team' evening where JC, AN and RM were greeted to great public acclaim and near enough licking their own balls.
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Post by pavel on Sept 26, 2023 22:30:57 GMT
It feels like end of days only 8 games into the season. What a shambles. Weird isn't it? Feels like yesterday that we had that 'meet the leadership team' evening where JC, AN and RM were greeted to grear public acclaim and near enough licking their own balls. Yep
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 26, 2023 22:32:19 GMT
Last 6 managers in a row have failed. Some of them failed very badly. They can't all be shit. My opinion. So yes there is something else somewhere in the club thats causing the problem. Atmosphere the club create? I don't know. Maybe like pubs, some have a good vibe and some don't, Stoke appears to have a bad vibe. Who knows. They can all be shit though. MON, zero real experience of club management at a decent level, did well in keeping us up using needs must then got his own ideas involved and it fell apart. Rowett, he's a solid Champ manager if you don't have too much ambition of promotion and spent a shit ton of money on solid if unspectacular Champ players. Jones, Luton is starting to seem a one off where it all fell into place for him. Maybe there's nothing toxic or whatever laying underneath and they are just a bit crap, it wouldn't be the first time a club constantly hires poor managers. Absolutely. The bloke in charge of hiring them is the real issue here.
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 26, 2023 23:34:53 GMT
They can all be shit though. MON, zero real experience of club management at a decent level, did well in keeping us up using needs must then got his own ideas involved and it fell apart. Rowett, he's a solid Champ manager if you don't have too much ambition of promotion and spent a shit ton of money on solid if unspectacular Champ players. Jones, Luton is starting to seem a one off where it all fell into place for him. Maybe there's nothing toxic or whatever laying underneath and they are just a bit crap, it wouldn't be the first time a club constantly hires poor managers. Absolutely. The bloke in charge of hiring them is the real issue here. Just because the family own the club doesn’t mean one of them has to be chairman does it. It’s time we really put them under pressure to make the correct changes. They need to remove JC from his post and using their unlimited resources n sourcing the best possible candidate to take charge of this football club. They need to provide the money and little else.
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Post by mrnovember on Sept 27, 2023 4:36:39 GMT
It’s irrelevant that the thing you called him a dickhead for saying isn’t what even close to what he said? Amazing. Which thing have you watched, the two-minute thing FM posted? Presumably the Knot quote came from somewhere? I actually think it’s a bit weird that they reported then deleted it, and then it doesn’t appear in anything the club released 🤔 They did something similar last week. Quoted him as saying the foreign lads would struggle with pressure in away games. I gave him shit on here because I'm a bone idle and gullible pillock who couldn't be arsed to watch the full clip. Someone called me out and although I'm still too bone to watch it, clicking the link it does appear that he said nowt of the sort. Irresponsible really.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 27, 2023 7:30:31 GMT
Last 6 managers in a row have failed. Some of them failed very badly. They can't all be shit. My opinion. So yes there is something else somewhere in the club thats causing the problem. Atmosphere the club create? I don't know. Maybe like pubs, some have a good vibe and some don't, Stoke appears to have a bad vibe. Who knows. Happened to a few clubs though who were possibly expected to get back to the Prem quicker and maybe the expectation was too high. Not saying that we were expected to bounce back quickly but like the clubs mentioned, the longer it doesn't happen perhaps the harder it gets and relegated and promoted sides overtake you and it gets tougher as time goes on 7 years though. And at best we've stood still. Personally I think we've gone backwards. Its no wonder some are highly brassed off. Outside looking in we have to conclude the club are making a shyte job of it. We have to agree on that surely.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 27, 2023 7:51:33 GMT
Happened to a few clubs though who were possibly expected to get back to the Prem quicker and maybe the expectation was too high. Not saying that we were expected to bounce back quickly but like the clubs mentioned, the longer it doesn't happen perhaps the harder it gets and relegated and promoted sides overtake you and it gets tougher as time goes on 7 years though. And at best we've stood still. Personally I think we've gone backwards. Its no wonder some are highly brassed off. Outside looking in we have to conclude the club are making a shyte job of it. We have to agree on that surely. Been a bit of a disaster I agree but managers have been well paid and financially backed so for me, the buck stops with them
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 27, 2023 8:11:58 GMT
Last 6 managers in a row have failed. Some of them failed very badly. They can't all be shit. My opinion. So yes there is something else somewhere in the club thats causing the problem. Atmosphere the club create? I don't know. Maybe like pubs, some have a good vibe and some don't, Stoke appears to have a bad vibe. Who knows. They can all be shit though. MON, zero real experience of club management at a decent level, did well in keeping us up using needs must then got his own ideas involved and it fell apart. Rowett, he's a solid Champ manager if you don't have too much ambition of promotion and spent a shit ton of money on solid if unspectacular Champ players. Jones, Luton is starting to seem a one off where it all fell into place for him. Maybe there's nothing toxic or whatever laying underneath and they are just a bit crap, it wouldn't be the first time a club constantly hires poor managers. I don't know chief. Maybe you're right. In which case them upstairs need to appoint a good one soon so I can stop bloody moaning 😆
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 27, 2023 10:41:07 GMT
Fair play to everyone of them👏
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 27, 2023 11:47:14 GMT
"...the men in white coats will greet you at the turnstiles".
Hope the team give them a performance they deserve.
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Post by Robo10 on Sept 27, 2023 12:38:36 GMT
Half the problems with this obsession with a LF/RF combo at centre half is the fucking abomination that is the current trend all managers have of the wanky short goal kick - for it to work you need players either side to receive it and be comfortable on dealing with the ball
As it is, we persevere with it, its passed to Wilmot who either twats it left footed out of play (as not his strong foot), or he short passes it back to Travers/Rose/McNally, if its Rose he completely panics and passes back to Wilmot....however its setup, somebody ends up smashing it out of play or straight to the oppo midfield, who cant believe the space they have as our CDMs are absent - either coming short but not showing or wandered out wide, and our AM is up with the forward in no mans land but nobody can win the ball
I absolutely DETEST the short goal kick - its fine occasionally as a variation, but this mantra that its the only way to play, to retain possession, recycle the ball whatever is dross to watch - mainly because those that are good at it (ie Manc Blue), turn that into a rapid attack within 4 passes - we however end up making a meal out of most of them and panic / lose the ball / kick it aimlessly.
While we are at it, we also are cowards on the ball - even the times we break forward and see space, players today are almost brainwashed not to take a risk (ie beat their man and cross it), its too easy to slow it down, look backwards, play an easy pass back 35 yards - its boring. Give me crosses flying in, headers everywhere, second ball scrambles, borderline fouls every single day.
Watch the next game either on TV or live - every single THROW IN we get nobody looks forward ONCE - its an automatic thing to pick it up and throw it back to the centre half/full back and the game slows - even from the edge of the opponents half!
Free kicks are the same - whats that? A free kick midway in the opposition half? Do we a) fill the box and put in a scorcher of a cross, or b) pass it backwards short, defender panics, passes to keeper. Twats it long. Attack over.
For all of Pulis faults (there were many), he would hate this shit - give me 442 / 4231 with 2 wingers all day, balls played quickly out wide, taking a man on, byline, crosses. Even the novel idea of playing people on their favoured side so they can cross first time - as soon as Campbell gets the ball he stops to a halt and has to cut inside (loses it generally)
There. Thats the moan.
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 27, 2023 12:48:45 GMT
"...the men in white coats will greet you at the turnstiles". Hope the team give them a performance they deserve. Certainly has an ominous vibe to it. Forgive me, but I just want to escape without getting any key players hurt.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Sept 27, 2023 13:26:45 GMT
Nice to hear* Ange asking some proper questions for once. More of the same please.
I listened to a Russell Martin press conference the other day and their local radio host asked some brilliant questions of him.
*It's never nice to hear that voice (sorry Ange)
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Post by theoptimist on Sept 27, 2023 13:46:30 GMT
Which thing have you watched, the two-minute thing FM posted? Presumably the Knot quote came from somewhere? I actually think it’s a bit weird that they reported then deleted it, and then it doesn’t appear in anything the club released 🤔 They did something similar last week. Quoted him as saying the foreign lads would struggle with pressure in away games. I gave him shit on here because I'm a bone idle and gullible pillock who couldn't be arsed to watch the full clip. Someone called me out and although I'm still too bone to watch it, clicking the link it does appear that he said nowt of the sort. Irresponsible really. I think its because its run by amateurs/volunteers. Not professional journos (although professional journo is an oxymoron).
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 27, 2023 13:47:43 GMT
"...the men in white coats will greet you at the turnstiles". Hope the team give them a performance they deserve. Here already and I've agreed with rhe men in white coats we get first dibs on the Wembley tickets
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 27, 2023 13:48:27 GMT
Half the problems with this obsession with a LF/RF combo at centre half is the fucking abomination that is the current trend all managers have of the wanky short goal kick - for it to work you need players either side to receive it and be comfortable on dealing with the ball As it is, we persevere with it, its passed to Wilmot who either twats it left footed out of play (as not his strong foot), or he short passes it back to Travers/Rose/McNally, if its Rose he completely panics and passes back to Wilmot....however its setup, somebody ends up smashing it out of play or straight to the oppo midfield, who cant believe the space they have as our CDMs are absent - either coming short but not showing or wandered out wide, and our AM is up with the forward in no mans land but nobody can win the ball I absolutely DETEST the short goal kick - its fine occasionally as a variation, but this mantra that its the only way to play, to retain possession, recycle the ball whatever is dross to watch - mainly because those that are good at it (ie Manc Blue), turn that into a rapid attack within 4 passes - we however end up making a meal out of most of them and panic / lose the ball / kick it aimlessly. While we are at it, we also are cowards on the ball - even the times we break forward and see space, players today are almost brainwashed not to take a risk (ie beat their man and cross it), its too easy to slow it down, look backwards, play an easy pass back 35 yards - its boring. Give me crosses flying in, headers everywhere, second ball scrambles, borderline fouls every single day. Watch the next game either on TV or live - every single THROW IN we get nobody looks forward ONCE - its an automatic thing to pick it up and throw it back to the centre half/full back and the game slows - even from the edge of the opponents half! Free kicks are the same - whats that? A free kick midway in the opposition half? Do we a) fill the box and put in a scorcher of a cross, or b) pass it backwards short, defender panics, passes to keeper. Twats it long. Attack over. For all of Pulis faults (there were many), he would hate this shit - give me 442 / 4231 with 2 wingers all day, balls played quickly out wide, taking a man on, byline, crosses. Even the novel idea of playing people on their favoured side so they can cross first time - as soon as Campbell gets the ball he stops to a halt and has to cut inside (loses it generally) There. Thats the moan. Absolute spot on
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2023 14:24:08 GMT
Half the problems with this obsession with a LF/RF combo at centre half is the fucking abomination that is the current trend all managers have of the wanky short goal kick - for it to work you need players either side to receive it and be comfortable on dealing with the ball As it is, we persevere with it, its passed to Wilmot who either twats it left footed out of play (as not his strong foot), or he short passes it back to Travers/Rose/McNally, if its Rose he completely panics and passes back to Wilmot....however its setup, somebody ends up smashing it out of play or straight to the oppo midfield, who cant believe the space they have as our CDMs are absent - either coming short but not showing or wandered out wide, and our AM is up with the forward in no mans land but nobody can win the ball I absolutely DETEST the short goal kick - its fine occasionally as a variation, but this mantra that its the only way to play, to retain possession, recycle the ball whatever is dross to watch - mainly because those that are good at it (ie Manc Blue), turn that into a rapid attack within 4 passes - we however end up making a meal out of most of them and panic / lose the ball / kick it aimlessly. While we are at it, we also are cowards on the ball - even the times we break forward and see space, players today are almost brainwashed not to take a risk (ie beat their man and cross it), its too easy to slow it down, look backwards, play an easy pass back 35 yards - its boring. Give me crosses flying in, headers everywhere, second ball scrambles, borderline fouls every single day. Watch the next game either on TV or live - every single THROW IN we get nobody looks forward ONCE - its an automatic thing to pick it up and throw it back to the centre half/full back and the game slows - even from the edge of the opponents half! Free kicks are the same - whats that? A free kick midway in the opposition half? Do we a) fill the box and put in a scorcher of a cross, or b) pass it backwards short, defender panics, passes to keeper. Twats it long. Attack over. For all of Pulis faults (there were many), he would hate this shit - give me 442 / 4231 with 2 wingers all day, balls played quickly out wide, taking a man on, byline, crosses. Even the novel idea of playing people on their favoured side so they can cross first time - as soon as Campbell gets the ball he stops to a halt and has to cut inside (loses it generally) There. Thats the moan. Agree with all that . As for throw-ins , throwing it back to your own centre back / centre mid, defies all logic. If you throw the ball ,forward and down the line ( say a foot inside the line) , everything is in your favour. If a Stoke shirt lands on it they flick it forward and inside to stoke shirts running in support of the Stoke player landing on the ball . If a Stoke shirt lands on the ball, then the opposition have real problems. Even if the opposition get on the ball , they get on it being pressed and pressured and a lot nearer to their own goal than when the throw in was won . Worst case scenario, the opposition land on the throw in , there is little they can do , under pressure from a stoke player when they land on a ball flying down the line, than head it out and concede another throw in. Throwing the ball backwards and into the centre of the pitch, just reverses having everything in your favour. AND means you are in trouble ( from your own throw in !) If the opposition get to the ball first . Just throw the ball down the line!
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 27, 2023 14:44:16 GMT
Half the problems with this obsession with a LF/RF combo at centre half is the fucking abomination that is the current trend all managers have of the wanky short goal kick - for it to work you need players either side to receive it and be comfortable on dealing with the ball As it is, we persevere with it, its passed to Wilmot who either twats it left footed out of play (as not his strong foot), or he short passes it back to Travers/Rose/McNally, if its Rose he completely panics and passes back to Wilmot....however its setup, somebody ends up smashing it out of play or straight to the oppo midfield, who cant believe the space they have as our CDMs are absent - either coming short but not showing or wandered out wide, and our AM is up with the forward in no mans land but nobody can win the ball I absolutely DETEST the short goal kick - its fine occasionally as a variation, but this mantra that its the only way to play, to retain possession, recycle the ball whatever is dross to watch - mainly because those that are good at it (ie Manc Blue), turn that into a rapid attack within 4 passes - we however end up making a meal out of most of them and panic / lose the ball / kick it aimlessly. While we are at it, we also are cowards on the ball - even the times we break forward and see space, players today are almost brainwashed not to take a risk (ie beat their man and cross it), its too easy to slow it down, look backwards, play an easy pass back 35 yards - its boring. Give me crosses flying in, headers everywhere, second ball scrambles, borderline fouls every single day. Watch the next game either on TV or live - every single THROW IN we get nobody looks forward ONCE - its an automatic thing to pick it up and throw it back to the centre half/full back and the game slows - even from the edge of the opponents half! Free kicks are the same - whats that? A free kick midway in the opposition half? Do we a) fill the box and put in a scorcher of a cross, or b) pass it backwards short, defender panics, passes to keeper. Twats it long. Attack over. For all of Pulis faults (there were many), he would hate this shit - give me 442 / 4231 with 2 wingers all day, balls played quickly out wide, taking a man on, byline, crosses. Even the novel idea of playing people on their favoured side so they can cross first time - as soon as Campbell gets the ball he stops to a halt and has to cut inside (loses it generally) There. Thats the moan. Agree with all that . As for throw-ins , throwing it back to your own centre back / centre mid, defies all logic. If you throw the ball ,forward and down the line ( say a foot inside the line) , everything is in your favour. If a Stoke shirt lands on it they flick it forward and inside to stoke shirts running in support of the Stoke player landing on the ball . If a Stoke shirt lands on the ball, then the opposition have real problems. Even if the opposition get on the ball , they get on it being pressed and pressured and a lot nearer to their own goal than when the throw in was won . Worst case scenario, the opposition land on the throw in , there is little they can do , under pressure from a stoke player when they land on a ball flying down the line, than head it out and concede another throw in. Throwing the ball backwards and into the centre of the pitch, just reverses having everything in your favour. AND means you are in trouble ( from your own throw in !) If the opposition get to the ball first . Just throw the ball down the line! If you go back through the last 3/4 years I reckon we’ve conceded at least 10 if not probably a lot more goals, that start with our own throw in. I even called it at Sheff Utd away last season, I turned to the blokes next to me and said, they’ll score here just as we went the throw the ball in. They laughed at me, 20 seconds later as the grins were wiped off their faces, I laughed and said told you 😂
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