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Post by LGH87 on Sept 26, 2023 16:38:08 GMT
If he can work out what the fuck happened in March and replicate it he’s sorted. But he can’t. I genuinely don't get why he hasn't tried to do that. It looked like that was the plan and now he seems to have just dumped it because of the Stevens situation. What is it about managers that they just refuse to use what had made them successful here? Rowett got Derby into the play-offs with Vydra as a number 10 - laughed off the idea of playing with one here. Jones raved on about the diamond, signed basically nobody who could play it, then ditched it for something even worse. O'Neil worked wonders at NI with a 4-3-3, worked wonders when he first arrived with a 4-2-3-1, became obsessed with a back three system that rarely if ever looked as good as either. Neil is doing the same now too. It's like the fucking Shining or something. I know that the board won’t instruct the manager on how to set up but something, somewhere must be inherently wrong with how the club is run or directed, as to make every single manager lose the plot in the same manner. Is it the pressure from the board? Is it the patience of the fans that’s wearing extremely thin after years of shite? Something’s amiss for the same mistakes to keep happening regardless of who the manager is, unless they’re all just shit🤣
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Sept 26, 2023 16:39:29 GMT
Once you turn it back onto the fans it only ends one way. Bye bye Mr Neil
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Post by butlerstbob on Sept 26, 2023 16:40:01 GMT
I genuinely don't get why he hasn't tried to do that. It looked like that was the plan and now he seems to have just dumped it because of the Stevens situation. What is it about managers that they just refuse to use what had made them successful here? Rowett got Derby into the play-offs with Vydra as a number 10 - laughed off the idea of playing with one here. Jones raved on about the diamond, signed basically nobody who could play it, then ditched it for something even worse. O'Neil worked wonders at NI with a 4-3-3, worked wonders when he first arrived with a 4-2-3-1, became obsessed with a back three system that rarely if ever looked as good as either. Neil is doing the same now too. It's like the fucking Shining or something. I know that the board won’t instruct the manager on how to set up but something, somewhere must be inherently wrong with how the club is run or directed, as to make every single manager lose the plot in the same manner. Is it the pressure from the board? Is it the patience of the fans that’s wearing extremely thin after years of shite? Something’s amiss for the same mistakes to keep happening regardless of who the manager is, unless they’re all just shit🤣 I honestly believe it's the latter...they have all been shit! This one included!!
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 26, 2023 16:42:01 GMT
I genuinely don't get why he hasn't tried to do that. It looked like that was the plan and now he seems to have just dumped it because of the Stevens situation. What is it about managers that they just refuse to use what had made them successful here? Rowett got Derby into the play-offs with Vydra as a number 10 - laughed off the idea of playing with one here. Jones raved on about the diamond, signed basically nobody who could play it, then ditched it for something even worse. O'Neil worked wonders at NI with a 4-3-3, worked wonders when he first arrived with a 4-2-3-1, became obsessed with a back three system that rarely if ever looked as good as either. Neil is doing the same now too. It's like the fucking Shining or something. I know that the board won’t instruct the manager on how to set up but something, somewhere must be inherently wrong with how the club is run or directed, as to make every single manager lose the plot in the same manner. Is it the pressure from the board? Is it the patience of the fans that’s wearing extremely thin after years of shite? Something’s amiss for the same mistakes to keep happening regardless of who the manager is, unless they’re all just shit🤣 Remember LMH, who else will do it? Stuck with me that has and makes me wonder if there is something like you say behind the scenes?
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Post by satoshi on Sept 26, 2023 16:48:28 GMT
I genuinely don't get why he hasn't tried to do that. It looked like that was the plan and now he seems to have just dumped it because of the Stevens situation. What is it about managers that they just refuse to use what had made them successful here? Rowett got Derby into the play-offs with Vydra as a number 10 - laughed off the idea of playing with one here. Jones raved on about the diamond, signed basically nobody who could play it, then ditched it for something even worse. O'Neil worked wonders at NI with a 4-3-3, worked wonders when he first arrived with a 4-2-3-1, became obsessed with a back three system that rarely if ever looked as good as either. Neil is doing the same now too. It's like the fucking Shining or something. I know that the board won’t instruct the manager on how to set up but something, somewhere must be inherently wrong with how the club is run or directed, as to make every single manager lose the plot in the same manner. Is it the pressure from the board? Is it the patience of the fans that’s wearing extremely thin after years of shite? Something’s amiss for the same mistakes to keep happening regardless of who the manager is, unless they’re all just shit🤣 The fans have been right behind him tbf, but we can now see the inevitable happening. It’s uncanny how it happens to every manager.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 26, 2023 16:48:53 GMT
I genuinely don't get why he hasn't tried to do that. It looked like that was the plan and now he seems to have just dumped it because of the Stevens situation. What is it about managers that they just refuse to use what had made them successful here? Rowett got Derby into the play-offs with Vydra as a number 10 - laughed off the idea of playing with one here. Jones raved on about the diamond, signed basically nobody who could play it, then ditched it for something even worse. O'Neil worked wonders at NI with a 4-3-3, worked wonders when he first arrived with a 4-2-3-1, became obsessed with a back three system that rarely if ever looked as good as either. Neil is doing the same now too. It's like the fucking Shining or something. I know that the board won’t instruct the manager on how to set up but something, somewhere must be inherently wrong with how the club is run or directed, as to make every single manager lose the plot in the same manner. Is it the pressure from the board? Is it the patience of the fans that’s wearing extremely thin after years of shite? Something’s amiss for the same mistakes to keep happening regardless of who the manager is, unless they’re all just shit🤣 Can’t imagine it’s pressure from the owners, they’re as hands off as it gets but…it’s certainly very strange, unfathomable in fact.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 26, 2023 16:49:05 GMT
I genuinely don't get why he hasn't tried to do that. It looked like that was the plan and now he seems to have just dumped it because of the Stevens situation. What is it about managers that they just refuse to use what had made them successful here? Rowett got Derby into the play-offs with Vydra as a number 10 - laughed off the idea of playing with one here. Jones raved on about the diamond, signed basically nobody who could play it, then ditched it for something even worse. O'Neil worked wonders at NI with a 4-3-3, worked wonders when he first arrived with a 4-2-3-1, became obsessed with a back three system that rarely if ever looked as good as either. Neil is doing the same now too. It's like the fucking Shining or something. I know that the board won’t instruct the manager on how to set up but something, somewhere must be inherently wrong with how the club is run or directed, as to make every single manager lose the plot in the same manner. Is it the pressure from the board? Is it the patience of the fans that’s wearing extremely thin after years of shite? Something’s amiss for the same mistakes to keep happening regardless of who the manager is, unless they’re all just shit🤣 I've been banging on about this since Rowett. The club is toxic. And I think the utter lack of self awareness from the clowns running the place is killing the club. And to be honest with each failed manager its gonna get harder and harder to get decent prospects. We are totally fucked unless someone grabs the club by the bollox and brings in a team of proper football people to shake it all down and set us on a new course.
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Post by abudhabistokie82 on Sept 26, 2023 16:49:19 GMT
Yet again some of the comments on here have clearly come before people have listened to the press conference and just gone off snippets of text released. What AN has actually said is in his opinion nobody would say the formation played against Huddersfield was wrong as it worked but they can question if it was the right formation to play in the last game as we didn’t win. He then goes on to say he has no issues with people saying that and that they most probably are right!
To me that does not sound at all like him having a pop at the fans but as what is actually said does not fit in with the hate AN narrative it is taken out of context and used as a stick to beat him with.
It amazes me how many times our fans turn on our manager and call for his head when things are going poorly. I’m not at all happy with the last game, our current position or the fact we’ve been stuck at the bottom end of the division for so long but neither do I agree we should jump on the manager our band wagon when the season is still early days. Let’s see how things settle over the coming months and if at Christmas we’re still performing poorly then revisit our options.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 26, 2023 16:49:37 GMT
I don’t think he’s had a pop at the fans myself, he’s been asked a question and he’s answered it. Yeah people seem to be willing that to happen so it hastens his exit but he hasn’t really.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 26, 2023 16:51:07 GMT
Yet again some of the comments on here have clearly come before people have listened to the press conference and just gone off snippets of text released. What AN has actually said is in his opinion nobody would say the formation played against Huddersfield was wrong as it worked but they can question if it was the right formation to play in the last game as we didn’t win. He then goes on to say he has no issues with people saying that and that they most probably are right! To me that does not sound at all like him having a pop at the fans but as what is actually said does not fit in with the hate AN narrative it is taken out of context and used as a stick to beat him with. It amazes me how many times our fans turn on our manager and call for his head when things are going poorly. I’m not at all happy with the last game, our current position or the fact we’ve been stuck at the bottom end of the division for so long but neither do I agree we should jump on the manager our band wagon when the season is still early days. Let’s see how things settle over the coming months and if at Christmas we’re still performing poorly then revisit our options. I don’t want him sacked yet either but another 2-3 performances like that and he’s going to be on the brink at least isn’t he? He’ll have nobody to blame for it but himself as well.
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Post by abudhabistokie82 on Sept 26, 2023 16:59:49 GMT
Yet again some of the comments on here have clearly come before people have listened to the press conference and just gone off snippets of text released. What AN has actually said is in his opinion nobody would say the formation played against Huddersfield was wrong as it worked but they can question if it was the right formation to play in the last game as we didn’t win. He then goes on to say he has no issues with people saying that and that they most probably are right! To me that does not sound at all like him having a pop at the fans but as what is actually said does not fit in with the hate AN narrative it is taken out of context and used as a stick to beat him with. It amazes me how many times our fans turn on our manager and call for his head when things are going poorly. I’m not at all happy with the last game, our current position or the fact we’ve been stuck at the bottom end of the division for so long but neither do I agree we should jump on the manager our band wagon when the season is still early days. Let’s see how things settle over the coming months and if at Christmas we’re still performing poorly then revisit our options. I don’t want him sacked yet either but another 2-3 performances like that and he’s going to be on the brink at least isn’t he? He’ll have nobody to blame for it but himself as well. For sure questions will have to be asked if performances don’t improve but like he said in the presser performances haven’t been that bad every game we’ve just not capitalised on the good performances.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 26, 2023 17:04:09 GMT
I don’t want him sacked yet either but another 2-3 performances like that and he’s going to be on the brink at least isn’t he? He’ll have nobody to blame for it but himself as well. For sure questions will have to be asked if performances don’t improve but like he said in the presser performances haven’t been that bad every game we’ve just not capitalised on the good performances. We haven’t but equally we can’t go conceding two goals plus every week and the complete lack of organisation goes way beyond a ‘gelling’ issue. Another couple of home bashings and it’s going to get ugly quickly.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Sept 26, 2023 17:05:09 GMT
I don’t want him sacked yet either but another 2-3 performances like that and he’s going to be on the brink at least isn’t he? He’ll have nobody to blame for it but himself as well. For sure questions will have to be asked if performances don’t improve but like he said in the presser performances haven’t been that bad every game we’ve just not capitalised on the good performances. Which would be forgiven if he didn’t persevere with a patently unsuitable system and just played 433 as recruited for!
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Post by abudhabistokie82 on Sept 26, 2023 17:06:01 GMT
For sure questions will have to be asked if performances don’t improve but like he said in the presser performances haven’t been that bad every game we’ve just not capitalised on the good performances. We haven’t but equally we can’t go conceding two goals plus every week and the complete lack of organisation goes way beyond a ‘gelling’ issue. Another couple of home bashings and it’s going to get ugly quickly. 100% agree the defending has been horrendous and needs addressing hoping we can patch the wound for now and look to fix in Jan
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 26, 2023 17:14:48 GMT
Does anyone know when the Knot FM tweet disappeared about Johnson at left back and the answer to Ange’s question about a left sided centre back?bizzare
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 26, 2023 17:25:17 GMT
Does anyone know when the Knot FM tweet disappeared about Johnson at left back and the answer to Ange’s question about a left sided centre back?bizzare Probably been deleted at the request of the club, who are now in full on 'lets stop the under pressure manager making him and us look like idiots' mode.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 26, 2023 17:26:08 GMT
Does anyone know when the Knot FM tweet disappeared about Johnson at left back and the answer to Ange’s question about a left sided centre back?bizzare Probably been deleted at the request of the club, who are now in full on 'lets stop the under pressure manager making him and us look like idiots' mode. Yes it did cross my mind🤔
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Post by LphPotter on Sept 26, 2023 17:39:44 GMT
Does anyone know when the Knot FM tweet disappeared about Johnson at left back and the answer to Ange’s question about a left sided centre back?bizzare Probably been deleted at the request of the club, who are now in full on 'lets stop the under pressure manager making him and us look like idiots' mode. Tin foil hat well and truly on. Much more likely that they’ve deleted it themselves because it wasn’t an accurate quote, on the sentinels word by word write up of the press conference what Neil actually said reads very differently to what knotFM put out.
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Post by ceejays on Sept 26, 2023 17:47:23 GMT
He still watches the opposition several times before we play them . Says it in virtually every presser . He’s watched Bournemouth 3 times . On the one hand you could say he’s dedicated to the job but on the other by the time he’s watched Bournemouth 3 times by which time in his head they have become Barcelona. Just stop doing this . There’s no team in the division to worry about . No superstars . Just understand their set pieces and rely on your staff beneath you to do any analysis. Atm it’s paralysis by analysis
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 26, 2023 17:49:14 GMT
He's an irritating character isn't he.
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Post by franklin on Sept 26, 2023 18:00:53 GMT
He got a pissy on with Ange when she asked about a left footed CB. I love the "I'm not stupid" bit well your not doing well in proving you're not Alex.
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Post by ceejays on Sept 26, 2023 18:14:20 GMT
He got a pissy on with Ange when she asked about a left footed CB. I love the "I'm not stupid" bit well your not doing well in proving you're not Alex. Another one of his blind spots . Plenty examples of centre back pairings that were totall right footed . Left back a different issue . But that’s been an issue since Pieters . Although we had no cover for Pieters really either. So he puts 3 or 4 out of position to cater when just Gooch there would or should be ok . Perhaps as someone has previously suggested we are trying to get Souttar on loan come January. Who knows ?
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 26, 2023 18:49:08 GMT
He got a pissy on with Ange when she asked about a left footed CB. I love the "I'm not stupid" bit well your not doing well in proving you're not Alex. My response to that one would have been a straight faced return. "Aren't you?"
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Post by wrexhamstokie90 on Sept 26, 2023 19:21:55 GMT
He got a pissy on with Ange when she asked about a left footed CB. I love the "I'm not stupid" bit well your not doing well in proving you're not Alex. Where’s this interview mate
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 26, 2023 19:24:37 GMT
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Post by shrewspotter on Sept 26, 2023 19:29:30 GMT
who is the left sided centre back that went elsewhere do you think, I can only think of Sanderson 🤔
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Post by wrexhamstokie90 on Sept 26, 2023 19:34:49 GMT
He needed to sign a consistent left back that’s the reason he’s playing 5 at the back right now just signing enda is piss poor
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Post by franklin on Sept 26, 2023 19:35:26 GMT
He got a pissy on with Ange when she asked about a left footed CB. I love the "I'm not stupid" bit well your not doing well in proving you're not Alex. Where’s this interview mate If you can't see the official video it's on the Sentinel site.
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Post by shrewspotter on Sept 26, 2023 19:37:45 GMT
He needed to sign a consistent left back that’s the reason he’s playing 5 at the back right now just signing enda is piss poor Could have kept Fox, wasn't the greatest, certainly not the poorest, better than Rose and McNally, can play LB and left side CB Poor decision that's proving
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 26, 2023 19:39:57 GMT
who is the left sided centre back that went elsewhere do you think, I can only think of Sanderson 🤔 In terms of left-footers, the only ones I think we were mentioned with were Bashir Humphreys and Ben Davies - as well as Ciaran Clark after the deadline. I think Sanderson is right-sided, and the big unit that Pete Smith may have been referring to, Barisic, seems to be right-sided too - as does the Turk who we were linked with. But suppose we only hear about a small percentage of players we're interested in, and we may have been seriously in for a few other lefties.
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