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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 25, 2023 19:37:32 GMT
Hand on heart, a day before the first game what did you expect after 8 games?
Optimistically I was thinking top half, a win or two off 3/4th
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 25, 2023 19:39:04 GMT
Top 10 . Hull being 4th, Ipswich top etc shoes that it isn't that great a standard in any sense
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 25, 2023 19:39:16 GMT
My thoughts were 10-12 games for players to gel and see positive improvements. I certainly wasn't expecting 6 defeats though in 8 in the league whilst playing a number of different formations. I thought he was a 4231 manager and that's what we were recruiting for
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 25, 2023 19:39:52 GMT
A few more points on the board but similar issues, figuring out the best set up/starting 11 etc, it was always going to be bumpy but maybe not this bumpy.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Sept 25, 2023 19:40:28 GMT
I was cautiously optimistic going into this season. Would have expected us to be on double the points we are at least at this point.
Alas, we are shit once more...
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 25, 2023 19:41:31 GMT
I had no fookin clue what to expect really but I was optimistic. Forty years following this club and somehow I still fall into that stupid trap, I must be dense
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Post by philb on Sept 25, 2023 19:43:39 GMT
My thoughts were 10-12 games for players to gel and see positive improvements. I certainly wasn't expecting 6 defeats though in 8 in the league. If the manager had settled on a 433 or 4231 formation, and stuck to it it wouldn’t and shouldn’t take professional footballers 10-12 games to gel. I wouldn’t expect that at grassroots level, never mind players earning thousands a week. Most of them will have played every formation possible in their careers and would quickly get used to a system.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 25, 2023 19:43:50 GMT
An indifferent start with a few wins and a few losses, but with the signs of a good, young, attacking side that could climb the table. Not getting battered by Hull at home with Daniel Johnson at LWB, I’ll be perfectly honest.
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 25, 2023 19:45:48 GMT
I expected what we've got in terms of points haul and expected it would take time to gel. I was happy to accept that.
You can't accept a manager that has shit himself and/or is playing clever buggers by playing a number of players out of position for some unknown reason at the same time as saying things need time to settle down.
He's gone the same way as every other manager has here in losing his head and going completely mental.
As ever with me, the only thing stopping me shouting for his head is the fact it's pretty much nailed on the family will appoint someone worse as they seem to have done with every successive appointment.
These kind of appointments need to be the exception and not the norm.
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 25, 2023 19:46:17 GMT
To be above Hull, Preston, Ipswich, Cardiff, Blues, Huddersfield, Rotherham and Plymouth; so I’m not totally disappointed.
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 25, 2023 19:46:35 GMT
My thoughts were 10-12 games for players to gel and see positive improvements. I certainly wasn't expecting 6 defeats though in 8 in the league. If the manager had settled on a 433 or 4231 formation, and stuck to it it wouldn’t and shouldn’t take professional footballers 10-12 games to gel. I wouldn’t expect that at grassroots level, never mind players earning thousands a week. Most of them will have played every formation possible in their careers and would quickly get used to a system. Loads of different partnerships to form though, it's not just about playing the system is it, it takes time to understand how your team mates play and move, what foot they want the ball on, wether they'll cut inside or go outside, come short or pull off the back, ball to feet or in front etc His downfall in my view will be his reluctance to stick to a formation well 17 new players get used to playing with each other
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Post by philb on Sept 25, 2023 19:50:51 GMT
If the manager had settled on a 433 or 4231 formation, and stuck to it it wouldn’t and shouldn’t take professional footballers 10-12 games to gel. I wouldn’t expect that at grassroots level, never mind players earning thousands a week. Most of them will have played every formation possible in their careers and would quickly get used to a system. Loads of different partnerships to form though, it's not just about playing the system is it, it takes time to understand how your team mates play and move, what foot they want the ball on, wether they'll cut inside or go outside, come short or pull off the back His downfall in my view will be his reluctance to stick to a formation well 17 new players get used to playing with each other Whilst I agree with some of what you’re saying, they also work on these things in training all week not just on match days. They must get to know each other quite quickly training 3 odd times a week.
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Sept 25, 2023 19:51:19 GMT
Alot fookin better to be honest...
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Post by jay1610 on Sept 25, 2023 19:56:48 GMT
An identity. A clear style of play / approach. And an improvement on last season, particularly at home.
The manager’s tactical flailing is preventing the first two, and it looks like it could be a clean sweep.
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Post by shrewspotter on Sept 25, 2023 20:01:34 GMT
I d expect us to be a lot more solid, I thought at home we would wouldn't have lost but maybe a draw or two, and maybe a few more away points. Was hoping for 12-16 points by now with a clear identity.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 25, 2023 20:06:50 GMT
My thoughts were 10-12 games for players to gel and see positive improvements. I certainly wasn't expecting 6 defeats though in 8 in the league. If the manager had settled on a 433 or 4231 formation, and stuck to it it wouldn’t and shouldn’t take professional footballers 10-12 games to gel. I wouldn’t expect that at grassroots level, never mind players earning thousands a week. Most of them will have played every formation possible in their careers and would quickly get used to a system. Great point, yea I was expecting 433 or 4231. I’m sure he eluded to it, wanting to play it on interview a while back?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 25, 2023 20:08:49 GMT
My thoughts were 10-12 games for players to gel and see positive improvements. I certainly wasn't expecting 6 defeats though in 8 in the league. If the manager had settled on a 433 or 4231 formation, and stuck to it it wouldn’t and shouldn’t take professional footballers 10-12 games to gel. I wouldn’t expect that at grassroots level, never mind players earning thousands a week. Most of them will have played every formation possible in their careers and would quickly get used to a system. The gelling part is them getting used to each others game rather than the system, as you say they'll have played most formations before.
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Post by ceejays on Sept 25, 2023 20:10:52 GMT
Once I heard him say I need 2 players for every position my heart sank . That’s exactly what mad Nath said and that simply creates its own problems. Firstly try keeping 22 players happy on that basis. Impossible and so that leads to him tinkering to accommodate. Secondly he has two many options to play with and clouds his thinking. He worries about the opponent in a mediocre league and sets his teams up to match up . The great overthinker . How many of us say the same thing ? Select a formation ( except 5 at the back ) and stick to it home and away . Let the opposition worry about us . That’s not to ignore any set piece routines they may have . Then pick the players in their right positions. Select a centre back pairing and stick with them. To me McNally and Rose as they played at Coventry together. However he has is favourites like any other manager . Does he have the bottle to drop them ? From the few cameos when Bae has played he looks a player . Takes the ball always on the turn and creates his own space . Play Pearson and Burger as holding . So no I didn’t expect us to be up there in top 6 but neither did I think we would have lost 5 out of 8 . I did expect him to tinker and that’s his nature . So I don’t expect this season to be anything other then lower half . We have the players I believe ( except LB cover ) but can he deliver ? I doubt on present evidence
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 25, 2023 20:12:30 GMT
I do think people need to calm down after 8 games, I also think the manager has a serious job on his hands to turn this around. It’s at that very awkward stage
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Post by Gods on Sept 25, 2023 20:18:05 GMT
My thoughts were 10-12 games for players to gel and see positive improvements. I certainly wasn't expecting 6 defeats though in 8 in the league whilst playing a number of different formations. I thought he was a 4231 manager and that's what we were recruiting for Far be it for me to leap to the defensive of the management team but it's 5 defeats in 8 matches not 6 defeats. We actually had 2 wins in the first 3 games with the Ipswich debacle sandwiched between them. It's 1 point from the last possible 15 which has killed us.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 25, 2023 20:27:36 GMT
Pretty much where we are , we had a disasterous end of season and our window was a trolley dash into the unproven pickand mix basket combined with a couple of the managers stalwarts in a mid table Preston team , while ignoring the key issues from last year , we are where logic says we would be and in desperate trouble , anyone who saves this squad is a miracle worker of the highest order .
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 25, 2023 20:32:08 GMT
I'm not sure what I was expecting??? The hype was good with all the signings, but I tried hard to remain grounded, (albeit it being difficult) !!!
I suppose if anything, I was hoping we'd sorted out our God awful HOME form, but it seems we apparently haven't.... 2 wins and 2 defeats in the opening 4 league games!!!
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 25, 2023 20:37:52 GMT
Hand on heart, a day before the first game what did you expect after 8 games? Optimistically I was thinking top half, a win or two off 3/4th To compete the bare minimum top ten thereafter
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 25, 2023 20:40:00 GMT
Once it was clear we had to get to January with 3 very average centre backs who dont complement each other and one 33 year old left back the writing was on the wall for me and is turning out exactly as I thought it would.
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Post by rotweiss79 on Sept 25, 2023 20:40:03 GMT
Somewhere between 6th and 10th
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Post by pavel on Sept 25, 2023 21:36:49 GMT
Mid table, muddling around and hoping for an upturn. We had relatively kind set of games getting to this point by which I had hoped to see some structure, progress and stability along with a reasonable number of points on the board to get us through the forthcoming more difficult games with as little damage as possible.
I should have known better!
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Post by jhtstokie on Sept 25, 2023 21:51:23 GMT
Certainly didn’t expect to hear Hull fans ole’ing at the end of the first half😂
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Post by walrus on Sept 25, 2023 21:57:29 GMT
I was naive enough to expect a manager with a stated preference for playing 4-3-3, who achieved his best results last season playing 4-3-3, who played 4-3-3 every pre-season game, who spent the entire summer signing players to fit a 4-3-3 system, and who sold our only half decent wing back on deadline day to actually play fucking 4-3-3!
Wing-back systems and Stoke City are like a nasty dose of the clap that keeps coming back.
If I was Coates I would sack Neil and put a clause in his replacement’s contract that starting any game with a wing-back system triggers a 99% reduction in pay.
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 25, 2023 22:28:24 GMT
If the manager had settled on a 433 or 4231 formation, and stuck to it it wouldn’t and shouldn’t take professional footballers 10-12 games to gel. I wouldn’t expect that at grassroots level, never mind players earning thousands a week. Most of them will have played every formation possible in their careers and would quickly get used to a system. Loads of different partnerships to form though, it's not just about playing the system is it, it takes time to understand how your team mates play and move, what foot they want the ball on, wether they'll cut inside or go outside, come short or pull off the back, ball to feet or in front etc His downfall in my view will be his reluctance to stick to a formation well 17 new players get used to playing with each other Sorry duck, just not buying this. Hull signed 17 and let 10 go. They’re 4th.
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 25, 2023 22:32:17 GMT
I was expecting to see some evidence of cohesion, a pattern of play developing and defensive organisation. We’ve seen none of those things.
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