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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2023 23:03:56 GMT
There to be a change.
Nothing seems to have changed.
We’ve reverted back to this negative bollocks. Pretty much looking at the team that’s been selected and knowing it will be shit.
It’s so fucking depressing.
Just put a team out that will have a go, give us some hope, stop being scared of shite like Hull.
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Post by thornestein on Sept 26, 2023 3:55:54 GMT
Loads of different partnerships to form though, it's not just about playing the system is it, it takes time to understand how your team mates play and move, what foot they want the ball on, wether they'll cut inside or go outside, come short or pull off the back, ball to feet or in front etc His downfall in my view will be his reluctance to stick to a formation well 17 new players get used to playing with each other Sorry duck, just not buying this. Hull signed 17 and let 10 go. They’re 4th. don’t be silly , they’re still gelling same as us 🙄
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Post by canadianmoose on Sept 26, 2023 5:14:14 GMT
I don’t think he trusts the centre backs he’s purchased to play a back 4 so he goes to the back 5 and we end up with this rubbish
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Post by greenhoff on Sept 26, 2023 6:01:16 GMT
Around tenth. Better football, more resilience. There's actually no discernible change from the dross he served up last season. I can't believe that in Trouserdogs twitter poll 50% of fans are happy to give him more time. We've been here before. We are delaying the inevitable. Another wasted season.
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Post by steinosjockstrap on Sept 26, 2023 6:10:03 GMT
I expected at least the basics of the game to be done, players actually being played in their correct position. Yes it can take time, but Neil is not helping himself.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 26, 2023 6:44:10 GMT
Roughly between 10/15 pts.
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Post by swampySCFC on Sept 26, 2023 10:14:24 GMT
Not 20th that’s for sure
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 26, 2023 10:17:27 GMT
After the first game I was optimistic. Once I saw the defence we ended up with after deadline day, I wasn't.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 26, 2023 10:33:34 GMT
An identity. A clear style of play / approach. And an improvement on last season, particularly at home. The manager’s tactical flailing is preventing the first two, and it looks like it could be a clean sweep. Yep no identity. He's been here 15 months yet we still have not even the embryo of an identity. I'm beginning to think he's totally lost the plot Nathan Jones style. There's summat wrong at this club. Its like a disease that infects the manager the minute they sign their contract.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Sept 26, 2023 10:37:21 GMT
I was expecting pretty much what's happened.
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Post by citynickscfc on Sept 26, 2023 10:39:13 GMT
I expected a plan. You get to cherry pick players for a system, YOUR system. Then why this complete rabble? It's shockingly poor management and recruitment, 2 areas of heavy investment and key focus. I don't really give a shit if the academy is disestablished if we are incredibly successful at transfer strategy, but get the transfers wrong and management without a clue of what formation to play and what you are asking your team to do, and it's what we have now
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Post by chiswickpotter on Sept 26, 2023 10:46:33 GMT
Loads of different partnerships to form though, it's not just about playing the system is it, it takes time to understand how your team mates play and move, what foot they want the ball on, wether they'll cut inside or go outside, come short or pull off the back, ball to feet or in front etc His downfall in my view will be his reluctance to stick to a formation well 17 new players get used to playing with each other Sorry duck, just not buying this. Hull signed 17 and let 10 go. They’re 4th. That overlooks the facts. 7 of the Hull starting team on Sunday were there last season. Only 4 of our team were and only 7 out of our squad of 20 played last season. And likely 5 of our best XI didn’t start and two more were injured in the first half. If Travers Hoever Wilmott Rose/McNally Stevens Pearson Burger Haks/Bae Campbell Wesley/Maaee Vidigal Doesn’t deliver then I have no argument but Sunday tells us nothing about this team
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Post by independent on Sept 26, 2023 10:59:49 GMT
So you think that we only need 10 men. Maybe playing 11 at the moment is what is confusing our players.
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Post by onepara on Sept 26, 2023 11:06:59 GMT
We arguably have 3 players who will be willing to get hurt for the Club. Wilmot, Pearson & Vidigal. The rest just turn away from the ball, so haven't a clue where it is. As Gooch did against Hull, when he turned his back on the shot that deflected off him & into the net. Like Burger did when he stood 3 yards off the player to let him score. Don't expect Campbell to put his life on the line either. He chases the ball until it gets near to an opposing player, then slows up & lets it go to him. Most of them are frightened of getting hit by the ball. They're wimps. There's no fight in them.
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Post by Timmy on Sept 26, 2023 11:07:43 GMT
Didn't expect the only change at half time to be play laurent even deeper and have two holding midfielders in a 5-3-2. Negative Nigel
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 26, 2023 14:27:50 GMT
Sorry duck, just not buying this. Hull signed 17 and let 10 go. They’re 4th. That overlooks the facts. 7 of the Hull starting team on Sunday were there last season. Only 4 of our team were and only 7 out of our squad of 20 played last season. And likely 5 of our best XI didn’t start and two more were injured in the first half. If Travers Hoever Wilmott Rose/McNally Stevens Pearson Burger Haks/Bae Campbell Wesley/Maaee Vidigal Doesn’t deliver then I have no argument but Sunday tells us nothing about this team We’ve lost Stevens and the whole place has become a circus. He’s lost the plot.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 26, 2023 14:33:20 GMT
That overlooks the facts. 7 of the Hull starting team on Sunday were there last season. Only 4 of our team were and only 7 out of our squad of 20 played last season. And likely 5 of our best XI didn’t start and two more were injured in the first half. If Travers Hoever Wilmott Rose/McNally Stevens Pearson Burger Haks/Bae Campbell Wesley/Maaee Vidigal Doesn’t deliver then I have no argument but Sunday tells us nothing about this team We’ve lost Stevens and the whole place has become a circus. He’s lost the plot. That hasn't been why its gone the way it has, the CBs aren't performing, losing Stevens hasn't been the big problem and if the CBs had been playing close to well enough it wouldn't have made much of a difference.
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 26, 2023 14:41:23 GMT
We’ve lost Stevens and the whole place has become a circus. He’s lost the plot. That hasn't been why its gone the way it has, the CBs aren't performing, losing Stevens hasn't been the big problem and if the CBs had been playing close to well enough it wouldn't have made much of a difference. Chopping and changing and pissing about with a back 3 isn’t helping them. Just play one of the right backs at left back and try and get some consistency. He’s over complicating things when he really doesn’t have to.
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Post by st3mark on Sept 26, 2023 14:55:23 GMT
Hand on heart, a day before the first game what did you expect after 8 games? Optimistically I was thinking top half, a win or two off 3/4th I expected to have won 4 matches instead of 2 and lost 3 matches instead of 5. Those extra 6 points would make a big difference in the table and my current thoughts on the manager. Wouldn't have been too unrealistic at the time.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 26, 2023 14:56:46 GMT
That hasn't been why its gone the way it has, the CBs aren't performing, losing Stevens hasn't been the big problem and if the CBs had been playing close to well enough it wouldn't have made much of a difference. Chopping and changing and pissing about with a back 3 isn’t helping them. Just play one of the right backs at left back and try and get some consistency. He’s over complicating things when he really doesn’t have to. I'm not as against the back three as a lot of others are, but I agree he needs to at least stick to one or the other for the time being.
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Post by mrnovember on Sept 26, 2023 15:01:27 GMT
I expected inconsistency. Instead we've been consistently beaten and looked under prepared and devoid of a plan in the process.
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 26, 2023 15:05:15 GMT
Chopping and changing and pissing about with a back 3 isn’t helping them. Just play one of the right backs at left back and try and get some consistency. He’s over complicating things when he really doesn’t have to. I'm not as against the back three as a lot of others are, but I agree he needs to at least stick to one or the other for the time being. If we’d kept Tymon and signed Davies or Humphrey’s I wouldn’t have been dead against it either but we didn’t. This squad is built for 433 or 4231, nothing else.
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Post by HarryTheHat on Sept 26, 2023 15:22:49 GMT
Same as I do now
I expect a top half finish (which will be an improvement on the past 5 seasons)
A top ten finish will be over-achieving
Anything higher is a pipe-dream and always was
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Post by pushon on Sept 26, 2023 15:28:35 GMT
Same as I do now I expect a top half finish (which will be an improvement on the past 5 seasons) A top ten finish will be over-achieving Anything higher is a pipe-dream and always was The way things are going, you're looking in totally the wrong direction.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 26, 2023 15:36:07 GMT
I'm not as against the back three as a lot of others are, but I agree he needs to at least stick to one or the other for the time being. If we’d kept Tymon and signed Davies or Humphrey’s I wouldn’t have been dead against it either but we didn’t. This squad is built for 433 or 4231, nothing else. Tymon going isn't ideal but it hasn't been that big an issue for me, Johnson and gooch have done well enough covering. I'm in full agreement with you regarding a CB mind and it seemed like we were trying to get one in and it didn't work out, hopefully it's sorted in Jan. I'm not a fan of 4-3-3 tbh, it too easily turns into 4-5-1 with an isolated striker as we've seen under MON and AN.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 26, 2023 16:00:21 GMT
What I hoped for was signings from clubs I'd never heard of, let alone the players themselves, sprinkling a little samba magic as we danced through lead footed seasoned defences. What I expected was to be let down (again).
With a past it crocked left back (I thought Stevens was the appetiser not the main course) no commanding CB and the players dancing a waltz to Tinkerman's ever changing jitterbug <breathe> I got what I expected.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 27, 2023 8:00:26 GMT
I didn’t really expect anything either way, good or bad. The Summer window looked like an exciting lottery that should not have lead to the amount of expectation it did. We were very busy in the market without really spending a great deal. I think we did expect to make another major investment in a frontline striker and that doing so could have made a major difference to our performances so far.
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