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Post by J-Roar on Sept 18, 2023 21:03:59 GMT
It makes me laugh how when we were in the prem we whined about being last on MOTD and all the coverage was about Man Utd.Β Now, when the smaller club gets some coverage we wank on about club size, crowd size, history. So self aware! Sorry Mr Sandoz/Bowers, Your definitely not reading the room correctly here and barking up the wrong tree believing the only moans about Radio Stoke come after defeats! Myself & I know CrouchPotato have been banging on about how poor Radio Stoke coverage of SCFC has been for seasons now, again whether that be following a win, loss or drawn matches! The main thrust initially was about how poor Radio Stoke was after night fixtures they couldn't wait to get off air and always said you'll hear the aftermatch interviews in the morning show! All other BBC Sports covered stations used to stay on air and gauge after match reactions & interviews before going off. This was eventually changed and Radio Stoke now do generally stay on air following a night match and interviews are played before they blend back into BBC regional shows which was about time and long overdue. This used to be a general swipe at how poor Radio Stoke as a whole used to service its local clubs. The mere fact for years now SCFC are broadcast on FM and Vale on DAB speaks volumes. You're deluded thinking these issues are only raised as it happens right now that Vale have hit a purple patch & we're still to get going. Stoke could shoot to the top of the table & Vale could slip down the league, nothing would change, its been the same for seasons now. Vale and Crewe have ex players, local knowledgeable characters reporting on their clubs. Stoke have a guy from London and someone who had a short loan spell with us years and years ago generally covering us, neither with any allegiance to us aside from coming under the Radio Stoke umbrella! This is poor and if you don't agree that's fine, but to think we're being small minded and anti Vale is definitely not the case. Couldn't give a damn about the room. Just held a mirror up and seems you don't like it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2023 21:23:24 GMT
If it winds folk up that much the simple thing to do would be to not listen in on matchdays.
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 18, 2023 21:24:09 GMT
I don't wish to upset people but (hear me out) the argument that Vale should get less coverage than us makes me a little uncomfortable. Maybe, just maybe, the lack of coverage may be a factor in the relatively smaller following that the Vale have. Had they, in the past, had the same coverage, kids might have decided to follow the Vale rather than Stoke. We all decry many Mans Utd and City, Liverpool and London fans for being 'Glory Hunters'. But, on a local basis, aren't we just 'Glory Hunters' in our own way? Stoke have won stuff, so we follow them. Vale, not so much, so we follow them...not so much. Stoke being, historically,Β the bigger club just perpetuates the inclination of North Staffs supporters to align themselves with Stoke (the 'bigger' club) rather than with Vale (the 'smaller' club'). I think that the 'coverage' problem is a case of being a football fan or simply a Stoke fan. I don't think anyone could accuse a Stoke fan of being a glory hunter. Alot of Stoke fans support Stoke because it's in the family and you go because your old man took you etc. Likewise with Vale fans who are just as loyal (yes they do have some good, loyal fans). The idea that people support our club because we have won one major trophy as the second oldest professional club in world football is quite frankly laughable. Why would someone choose Stoke over Vale if the lived in Burslem or Stoke over Crewe if they lived in Crewe? In relative glory terms aren't they just glory hunters? (62 seasons in top flight versus zero and zero, 1 major trophy versus zero and zero, 24 England internationals versus zero and zero. When we played Man Utd plenty sang 'We support our local team' as a badge of honour. Wonder how many of them came from north of the city?
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Post by callas12 on Sept 18, 2023 23:00:19 GMT
Sorry Mr Sandoz/Bowers, Your definitely not reading the room correctly here and barking up the wrong tree believing the only moans about Radio Stoke come after defeats! Myself & I know CrouchPotato have been banging on about how poor Radio Stoke coverage of SCFC has been for seasons now, again whether that be following a win, loss or drawn matches! The main thrust initially was about how poor Radio Stoke was after night fixtures they couldn't wait to get off air and always said you'll hear the aftermatch interviews in the morning show! All other BBC Sports covered stations used to stay on air and gauge after match reactions & interviews before going off. This was eventually changed and Radio Stoke now do generally stay on air following a night match and interviews are played before they blend back into BBC regional shows which was about time and long overdue. This used to be a general swipe at how poor Radio Stoke as a whole used to service its local clubs. The mere fact for years now SCFC are broadcast on FM and Vale on DAB speaks volumes. You're deluded thinking these issues are only raised as it happens right now that Vale have hit a purple patch & we're still to get going. Stoke could shoot to the top of the table & Vale could slip down the league, nothing would change, its been the same for seasons now. Vale and Crewe have ex players, local knowledgeable characters reporting on their clubs. Stoke have a guy from London and someone who had a short loan spell with us years and years ago generally covering us, neither with any allegiance to us aside from coming under the Radio Stoke umbrella! This is poor and if you don't agree that's fine, but to think we're being small minded and anti Vale is definitely not the case. Couldn't give a damn about the room. Just held a mirror up and seems you don't like it. Strange comments. You clearly have differing opinions to majority of us on here on this subject but not quite sure why you're taking the stand you are regarding it, offer something constructive and might understand your views abit more & be able to enter a proper discussion about it. Instead of one liners that offer nothing to the conversation
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Post by callas12 on Sept 18, 2023 23:05:12 GMT
If it winds folk up that much the simple thing to do would be to not listen in on matchdays. Shouldn't come to that though should it. As a professional club plying it's trade in the Championship, why should we play second fiddle to a club in a lower league?! Walking away from the issue doesn't change anything does it. Fact remains we can say what we want to on here it doesn't mean anything will change anytime soon but its still a forum where these things are debated & quite often issues are raised and discussed. Sadly local radio is already on its knees, & Radio Stoke alienating a big % of listeners who support the biggest of the local clubs isn't really great business sense is it
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Post by vicarious on Sept 19, 2023 6:28:33 GMT
I found this interesting: radio.co/blog/football-radio-stationProbably all been said before - But Iβm sure we have the skill set throughout our fan base. Not me unfortunately (unless you need someone to sing Wayne Walker or Magnum 819 819 as part of the adverts).
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Post by thevoid on Sept 19, 2023 7:32:33 GMT
They don't even put SOT on their merchandise do they, they put Burslem? Which is a little odd considering they used to play in Hanley. This is true and I've heard some of them declare their hatred of Stoke-on-Trent. I kid you not. The Council should demand their loan back or send the bailiffs round. Council tax payers should be demanding a full investigation as to why they've not repaid.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2023 7:50:24 GMT
If it winds folk up that much the simple thing to do would be to not listen in on matchdays. Shouldn't come to that though should it. As a professional club plying it's trade in the Championship, why should we play second fiddle to a club in a lower league?! Walking away from the issue doesn't change anything does it. Fact remains we can say what we want to on here it doesn't mean anything will change anytime soon but its still a forum where these things are debated & quite often issues are raised and discussed. Sadly local radio is already on its knees, & Radio Stoke alienating a big % of listeners who support the biggest of the local clubs isn't really great business sense is it I don't listen to the whole coverage. I'll always listen back to P&G on BBC Sounds the next day, and personally, I think the post-show coverage is fine.
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Post by cdf on Sept 19, 2023 8:05:57 GMT
I found this interesting: radio.co/blog/football-radio-stationProbably all been said before - But Iβm sure we have the skill set throughout our fan base. Not me unfortunately (unless you need someone to sing Wayne Walker or Magnum 819 819 as part of the adverts). I think the main issue with this is that if we were to start our own radio station, we would come undone when it comes to the actual live commentary of the game because of the broadcasting rights that organisations like Talk Sport and the BBC have. That is why no football league club's currently got their own radio station at a guess. I could be wrong
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Post by callas12 on Sept 19, 2023 8:14:39 GMT
Shouldn't come to that though should it. As a professional club plying it's trade in the Championship, why should we play second fiddle to a club in a lower league?! Walking away from the issue doesn't change anything does it. Fact remains we can say what we want to on here it doesn't mean anything will change anytime soon but its still a forum where these things are debated & quite often issues are raised and discussed. Sadly local radio is already on its knees, & Radio Stoke alienating a big % of listeners who support the biggest of the local clubs isn't really great business sense is it I don't listen to the whole coverage. I'll always listen back to P&G on BBC Sounds the next day, and personally, I think the post-show coverage is fine. Fair do's mate, respect your opinion.. I only usually tune in at 2pm for team news and then drift back to either 5live or talksport. Just gets annoying when leave the ground and Vale match is over running on DAB and have to switch across to FM to get the Stoke post match info. & if unable to make the game for any reason listening to FM is just not the same now DAB has been around for years. Just think Radio Stokes priorities are wrong when it comes to local coverage, don't expect anything to change & granted its not the most important thing going on in the world but still clearly narks a fair few folk & rightly so in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2023 8:17:12 GMT
I don't listen to the whole coverage. I'll always listen back to P&G on BBC Sounds the next day, and personally, I think the post-show coverage is fine. Fair do's mate, respect your opinion.. I only usually tune in at 2pm for team news and then drift back to either 5live or talksport. Just gets annoying when leave the ground and Vale match is over running on DAB and have to switch across to FM to get the Stoke post match info. & if unable to make the game for any reason listening to FM is just not the same now DAB has been around for years. Just think Radio Stokes priorities are wrong when it comes to local coverage, don't expect anything to change & granted its not the most important thing going on in the world but still clearly narks a fair few folk & rightly so in my opinion. As the old saying goes, you can't please all the people all the time.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Sept 19, 2023 8:44:01 GMT
If it winds folk up that much the simple thing to do would be to not listen in on matchdays. Believe me if I could I would mate but due to being stuck at home for last season and probably all of this due to health reasons, I have no choice but to get the stream which comes with the Radio Stoke commentary and when they are talking about the Vale game and score when I'm watching my team on a stream I've paid for it sort of grates mate. The simple thing for them to do is switch Stoke to DAB (that show is Stoke city only) and put Vale on FM which would be vale talk only, at least then that way you can choose what you are listening to depending who you support. Crewe shouldn't even get a mention at all as they are in Cheshire and absolutely nothing to do with the city of Stoke-on-Trent. That way everyone is happy.
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 19, 2023 8:44:57 GMT
Couldn't give a damn about the room. Just held a mirror up and seems you don't like it. Strange comments. You clearly have differing opinions to majority of us on here on this subject but not quite sure why you're taking the stand you are regarding it, offer something constructive and might understand your views abit more & be able to enter a proper discussion about it. Instead of one liners that offer nothing to the conversation Sounds like you want an echo chamber rather than a message board. Tell me what you want me to think and I'll trot out the party line. My view is people moan about the ground, the food, the referee and the local radio coverage more when we lose. The local radio coverage has always been pretty shit - Acres was the one exception and once he started voicing his opinions about Pulis the club shut him and Gleghorn down and installed more favourable critics such as Denis, Pejic and Conroy. They indulged Nigel Johnson even though he was embarrassing himself for the last 2 seasons. Arguments about DAB are pretty spurious- more people have FM than DAB so makes sense to use that format for the biggest club. It's a dying medium who's only use is to provide commentary for ifollow. If you want to listen to poor coverage and the same dull callers making the same dull points every week then moan away. I don't have a problem with them covering Crewe and Vale and I think Stoke supporters moaning their sack off equate to big 6 clubs moaning about smaller PL clubs getting coverage. Anyone who doesn't see that is, in my view, lacking self awareness. People who do lack self awareness generally don't like it when this is pointed out. Feel free to edit my post with something that fits in with the room's views.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Sept 19, 2023 8:52:27 GMT
I don't think anyone could accuse a Stoke fan of being a glory hunter. Alot of Stoke fans support Stoke because it's in the family and you go because your old man took you etc. Likewise with Vale fans who are just as loyal (yes they do have some good, loyal fans). The idea that people support our club because we have won one major trophy as the second oldest professional club in world football is quite frankly laughable. Why would someone choose Stoke over Vale if the lived in Burslem or Stoke over Crewe if they lived in Crewe? In relative glory terms aren't they just glory hunters? (62 seasons in top flight versus zero and zero, 1 major trophy versus zero and zero, 24 England internationals versus zero and zero. When we played Man Utd plenty sang 'We support our local team' as a badge of honour. Wonder how many of them came from north of the city? The fact that you could describe any Stoke fan as a glory hunter is quite frankly laughable. I now live closer to Vale than I do to our stadium but I didn't when I was born. As I said who you support has alot to do with who your family support when you are growing up or who your friends go to watch etc. There are a number of reasons why someone may follow Stoke over Vale but glory hunting is most definitely not one of them imo mate.
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Post by theoptimist on Sept 19, 2023 9:05:52 GMT
Strange comments. You clearly have differing opinions to majority of us on here on this subject but not quite sure why you're taking the stand you are regarding it, offer something constructive and might understand your views abit more & be able to enter a proper discussion about it. Instead of one liners that offer nothing to the conversation Sounds like you want an echo chamber rather than a message board. Tell me what you want me to think and I'll trot out the party line. My view is people moan about the ground, the food, the referee and the local radio coverage more when we lose. The local radio coverage has always been pretty shit - Acres was the one exception and once he started voicing his opinions about Pulis the club shut him and Gleghorn down and installed more favourable critics such as Denis, Pejic and Conroy. They indulged Nigel Johnson even though he was embarrassing himself for the last 2 seasons. Arguments about DAB are pretty spurious- more people have FM than DAB so makes sense to use that format for the biggest club. It's a dying medium who's only use is to provide commentary for ifollow. If you want to listen to poor coverage and the same dull callers making the same dull points every week then moan away. I don't have a problem with them covering Crewe and Vale and I think Stoke supporters moaning their sack off equate to big 6 clubs moaning about smaller PL clubs getting coverage. Anyone who doesn't see that is, in my view, lacking self awareness. People who do lack self awareness generally don't like it when this is pointed out. Feel free to edit my post with something that fits in with the room's views. And you've entered the discussion to moan about the moaners. Oh the irony!
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 19, 2023 9:07:15 GMT
If it winds folk up that much the simple thing to do would be to not listen in on matchdays. Believe me if I could I would mate but due to being stuck at home for last season and probably all of this due to health reasons I have no choice but to get the stream which comes with the Radio Stoke commentary and when they are talking about the Vale game and score when I'm watching my team on a stream I've paid for it sort of grates mate. The simple thing for them to do is switch Stoke to DAB (that show is Stoke city only) and put Vale on FM which would be vale talk only, at least then that way you can choose what you are listening to depending who you support. Crewe shouldn't even get a mention at all as they are in Cheshire and absolutely nothing to do with the city of Stoke-on-Trent. That way everyone is happy. Radio Sheffield covers Wednesday, United, Chesterfield, Rotherham, Donny and Barnsley. Most of those are teams not from the city of Sheffield. The BBC doesn't tend to dedicate stations to particular cities. Can't be arsed checking but I assume Birmingham, Manchester and Liverpool are the same. Perhaps the issue is calling it Radio Stoke as though it's based there, it goes out to Leek, Stafford, Wem and Macc. There's no decent name for it Radio Bitsa could be an option.
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 19, 2023 9:10:54 GMT
Why would someone choose Stoke over Vale if the lived in Burslem or Stoke over Crewe if they lived in Crewe? In relative glory terms aren't they just glory hunters? (62 seasons in top flight versus zero and zero, 1 major trophy versus zero and zero, 24 England internationals versus zero and zero. When we played Man Utd plenty sang 'We support our local team' as a badge of honour. Wonder how many of them came from north of the city? The fact that you could describe any Stoke fan as a glory hunter is quite frankly laughable. I now live closer to Vale than I do to our stadium but I didn't when I was born. As I said who you support has alot to do with who your family support when you are growing up or who your friends go to watch etc. There are a number of reasons why someone may follow Stoke over Vale but glory hunting is most definitely not one of them imo mate. Relative glory. Laugh all you want. I'm sure the room agrees with you. I've changed my mind. Tell me what to think please. Referees hate Stoke. The local Radio hates Stoke People support the biggest club because of family, not that they want to watch the biggest and most successful club in the area. Happy now? I'll echo all your views back to you if you want. Fuck opinions.
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 19, 2023 9:11:59 GMT
Sounds like you want an echo chamber rather than a message board. Tell me what you want me to think and I'll trot out the party line. My view is people moan about the ground, the food, the referee and the local radio coverage more when we lose. The local radio coverage has always been pretty shit - Acres was the one exception and once he started voicing his opinions about Pulis the club shut him and Gleghorn down and installed more favourable critics such as Denis, Pejic and Conroy. They indulged Nigel Johnson even though he was embarrassing himself for the last 2 seasons. Arguments about DAB are pretty spurious- more people have FM than DAB so makes sense to use that format for the biggest club. It's a dying medium who's only use is to provide commentary for ifollow. If you want to listen to poor coverage and the same dull callers making the same dull points every week then moan away. I don't have a problem with them covering Crewe and Vale and I think Stoke supporters moaning their sack off equate to big 6 clubs moaning about smaller PL clubs getting coverage. Anyone who doesn't see that is, in my view, lacking self awareness. People who do lack self awareness generally don't like it when this is pointed out. Feel free to edit my post with something that fits in with the room's views. And you've entered the discussion to moan about the moaners. Oh the irony! Tell me what you want me to think and I'll copy and paste it. Save me thinking what I want.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Sept 19, 2023 9:15:24 GMT
Believe me if I could I would mate but due to being stuck at home for last season and probably all of this due to health reasons I have no choice but to get the stream which comes with the Radio Stoke commentary and when they are talking about the Vale game and score when I'm watching my team on a stream I've paid for it sort of grates mate. The simple thing for them to do is switch Stoke to DAB (that show is Stoke city only) and put Vale on FM which would be vale talk only, at least then that way you can choose what you are listening to depending who you support. Crewe shouldn't even get a mention at all as they are in Cheshire and absolutely nothing to do with the city of Stoke-on-Trent. That way everyone is happy. Radio Sheffield covers Wednesday, United, Chesterfield, Rotherham, Donny and Barnsley. Most of those are teams not from the city of Sheffield. The BBC doesn't tend to dedicate stations to particular cities. Can't be arsed checking but I assume Birmingham, Manchester and Liverpool are the same. Perhaps the issue is calling it Radio Stoke as though it's based there, it goes out to Leek, Stafford, Wem and Macc. There's no decent name for it Radio Bitsa could be an option. They cover Sheff United and Wednesday and will give a small amount of coverage to the other teams. Yes maybe that is the issue but to be fair Crewe isn't even in the same county as Stoke or Vale. It really is wank.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Sept 19, 2023 9:19:50 GMT
The fact that you could describe any Stoke fan as a glory hunter is quite frankly laughable. I now live closer to Vale than I do to our stadium but I didn't when I was born. As I said who you support has alot to do with who your family support when you are growing up or who your friends go to watch etc. There are a number of reasons why someone may follow Stoke over Vale but glory hunting is most definitely not one of them imo mate. Relative glory. Laugh all you want. I'm sure the room agrees with you. I've changed my mind. Tell me what to think please. Referees hate Stoke. The local Radio hates Stoke People support the biggest club because of family, not that they want to watch the biggest and most successful club in the area. Happy now? I'll echo all your views back to you if you want. Fuck opinions. You've gone very weird about this mate. If you don't agree fair enough but the whole thread is a moan about radio Stoke prioritising Port Vale over us. You knew what the thread was about from the very start so why go shitty about it. Just a bit strange mate in all honesty and for the record noone has told you that you must agree with everyone else, that is something that you have come up with in your head after people have given valid points to you in a discussion.
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Post by callas12 on Sept 19, 2023 9:40:48 GMT
Relative glory. Laugh all you want. I'm sure the room agrees with you. I've changed my mind. Tell me what to think please. Referees hate Stoke. The local Radio hates Stoke People support the biggest club because of family, not that they want to watch the biggest and most successful club in the area. Happy now? I'll echo all your views back to you if you want. Fuck opinions. You've gone very weird about this mate. If you don't agree fair enough but the whole thread is a moan about radio Stoke prioritising Port Vale over us. You knew what the thread was about from the very start so why go shitty about it. Just a bit strange mate in all honesty and for the record noone has told you that you must agree with everyone else, that is something that you have come up with in your head after people have given valid points to you in a discussion. Absolutely this. No-ones asking anyone to agree or disagree, I'd merely mentioned about instead of one line sarcastic responses, why not add something to the topic instead of clearly disagreeing but not really stating why or giving own views. Radio Stoke coverage clearly isn't a big deal for J-Roar, that's fine and no-ones making them have to agree. But to be so condescending for people discussing a topic thread that someone's started isn't a really a big deal in itself. We do at least agree that coverage under John Acres was very good, probably hasn't been the same since that period. & I also agree that Nigel Gleghorn was a great co-commentator at that time also. I respect your views on this matter now you've mentioned them, we agree to disagree but that's all fine. Can't say I've ever been in an echo chamber full of mirrors however, sounds an enlightening experience ππ!
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 19, 2023 9:51:05 GMT
Relative glory. Laugh all you want. I'm sure the room agrees with you. I've changed my mind. Tell me what to think please. Referees hate Stoke. The local Radio hates Stoke People support the biggest club because of family, not that they want to watch the biggest and most successful club in the area. Happy now? I'll echo all your views back to you if you want. Fuck opinions. You've gone very weird about this mate. If you don't agree fair enough but the whole thread is a moan about radio Stoke prioritising Port Vale over us. You knew what the thread was about from the very start so why go shitty about it. Just a bit strange mate in all honesty and for the record noone has told you that you must agree with everyone else, that is something that you have come up with in your head after people have given valid points to you in a discussion. Agree
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Post by jwhpotter on Sept 19, 2023 10:15:17 GMT
Surely we can all agree our new commentator is absolutely shocking! Talks more about the weather than he does the football
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2023 10:29:08 GMT
Surely we can all agree our new commentator is absolutely shocking! Talks more about the weather than he does the football Probably due to the fact that the weather is more entertaining.
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Post by callas12 on Sept 19, 2023 11:57:17 GMT
Surely we can all agree our new commentator is absolutely shocking! Talks more about the weather than he does the football Probably due to the fact that the weather is more entertaining. Like it, we agree on something ππ»ππ€£
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 19, 2023 12:52:22 GMT
I hope they go top tonight because its all down bank from there.
Flash in the pan f.c
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 19, 2023 12:56:26 GMT
Probably due to the fact that the weather is more entertaining. Like it, we agree on something ππ»ππ€£ Agreed π
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Post by st3mark on Sept 19, 2023 12:57:59 GMT
I hope they go top tonight because its all down bank from there. Flash in the pan f.c I hope they come up to reignite el ceramico
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 19, 2023 12:58:55 GMT
I hope they go top tonight because its all down bank from there. Flash in the pan f.c I hope they come up to reignite el ceramico I wouldn't be dead against seeing them get slapped every week myself before a certain relegation
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Post by st3mark on Sept 19, 2023 13:03:37 GMT
I hope they come up to reignite el ceramico I wouldn't be dead against seeing them get slapped every week myself before a certain relegation Bring them up, defeat them home and away, hear them cry every week on the way home and then enjoy their relegation.
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