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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 16, 2023 17:12:49 GMT
I see the boards resident racist dickheads are back then. Didn't take long for them to break cover eh?
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Post by eccythump on Sept 16, 2023 17:14:03 GMT
Read the question again tramp juice. "Do you think he shouldn't be allowed to speak" Your reply...no. Therefore you think he should be allowed to speak. And to think you were a teacher... How do you know my background mate? You're a newbie aren't you? Been on here years lurking. Just not posting. They only opened up to new posters recently.
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Post by eccythump on Sept 16, 2023 17:15:27 GMT
I see the boards resident racist dickheads are back then. Didn't take long for them to break cover eh? So being disgusted by muslim grooming gangs is racist. I see the Grand Apologist in Chief is getting rattled.
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Post by tigermoth on Sept 16, 2023 17:18:19 GMT
I see the boards resident racist dickheads are back then. Didn't take long for them to break cover eh? No need for name calling mate , you should be careful calling people racist that's libel. Just because someone has a different view than you that doesn't mean you have to get all angry about it.
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Post by eccythump on Sept 16, 2023 17:21:45 GMT
I see the boards resident racist dickheads are back then. Didn't take long for them to break cover eh? No need for name calling mate , you should be careful calling people racist that's libel. Just because someone has a different view than you that doesn't mean you have to get all angry about it. he is a very angry man. Wilko have closed and they were the cheapest shop for his favourite brand of Tramp Juice, Whie Lightening....
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Post by Pricey on Sept 16, 2023 17:22:51 GMT
I see the boards resident racist dickheads are back then. Didn't take long for them to break cover eh? No need for name calling mate , you should be careful calling people racist that's libel. Just because someone has a different view than you that doesn't mean you have to get all angry about it. You can be as angry as you like with racists; it’s part of that free speech thing. Also apparently it’s OK to give them a good twatting in certain localities.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 16, 2023 17:43:24 GMT
How do you know my background mate? You're a newbie aren't you? Been on here years lurking. Just not posting. They only opened up to new posters recently.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 16, 2023 17:44:47 GMT
I see the boards resident racist dickheads are back then. Didn't take long for them to break cover eh? So being disgusted by muslim grooming gangs is racist. I see the Grand Apologist in Chief is getting rattled. Grooming gangs disgust me full stop. Then if you've been lurking all these years you'd know that.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 16, 2023 17:45:40 GMT
I see the boards resident racist dickheads are back then. Didn't take long for them to break cover eh? No need for name calling mate , you should be careful calling people racist that's libel. Just because someone has a different view than you that doesn't mean you have to get all angry about it. Bless....I've named no names but you respond. Odd that....
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Post by tigermoth on Sept 16, 2023 17:47:04 GMT
No need for name calling mate , you should be careful calling people racist that's libel. Just because someone has a different view than you that doesn't mean you have to get all angry about it. he is a very angry man. Wilko have closed and they were the cheapest shop for his favourite brand of Tramp Juice, Whie Lightening.... I get all that mate and I agree but a part of me thinks its a shame, it can't be a good way to live or go through life. None of us will live forever and when I see people wasting their life I can't help but feel bad for them. I'm aware that could sound patronising etc but I genuinely want people to be happy and free from a sheep type mentality.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 16, 2023 17:48:36 GMT
I see the boards resident racist dickheads are back then. Didn't take long for them to break cover eh? No need for name calling mate , you should be careful calling people racist that's libel. Just because someone has a different view than you that doesn't mean you have to get all angry about it. So the great defender of free speech dangles the threat of libel when faced with something they don't like? Sounds about right. On the basis that being racist isn't actually illegal (inciting racial hatred and racially discriminatory behaviour is but that is a different matter) and isn't of itself reason to get you banned (again) from this board would you: 1 Admit that you are in fact racist 2 Understand why people think you are racists given your posting record You are very careful about how you word your posts so as to avoid saying anything overtly racist but it's virtually impossible not to come to that conclusion given what you have posted on here. So come on be honest for once - in the interest of promoting free speech do you hold views that would be considered racist if you actually had the balls to express them freely on this message board?
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Post by tigermoth on Sept 16, 2023 17:54:41 GMT
No need for name calling mate , you should be careful calling people racist that's libel. Just because someone has a different view than you that doesn't mean you have to get all angry about it. So the great defender of free speech dangles the threat of libel when faced with something they don't like? Sounds about right. On the basis that being racist isn't actually illegal (inciting racial hatred and racially discriminatory behaviour is but that is a different matter) and isn't of itself reason to get you banned (again) from this board would you: 1 Admit that you are in fact racist 2 Understand why people think you are racists given your posting record You are very careful about how you word your posts so as to avoid saying anything overtly racist but it's virtually impossible not to come to that conclusion given what you have posted on here. So come on be honest for once - in the interest of promoting free speech do you hold views that would be considered racist if you actually had the balls to express them freely on this message board? How anyone can be racist in 2023 mate is beyond me. I can guarantee I've done more to battle real racists than you and other so called anti racists ever have. Just for balance I wouldn't ban Louis Farakhan (he might of died actually) from speaking and I wouldn't van Diane Abott neither. As much as I think their views are racist and abhorrent and have no place in multi cultural Britain I believe they have a right to speak so long as they aren't promoting violence or anything that harms kids. Do you agree ?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 16, 2023 17:58:01 GMT
No need for name calling mate , you should be careful calling people racist that's libel. Just because someone has a different view than you that doesn't mean you have to get all angry about it. So the great defender of free speech dangles the threat of libel when faced with something they don't like? Sounds about right. On the basis that being racist isn't actually illegal (inciting racial hatred and racially discriminatory behaviour is but that is a different matter) and isn't of itself reason to get you banned (again) from this board would you: 1 Admit that you are in fact racist 2 Understand why people think you are racists given your posting record You are very careful about how you word your posts so as to avoid saying anything overtly racist but it's virtually impossible not to come to that conclusion given what you have posted on here. So come on be honest for once - in the interest of promoting free speech do you hold views that would be considered racist if you actually had the balls to express them freely on this message board? The only post of mine that tigermoth has liked so far is one where I mentioned 10,000 dead Libyans...who'd have thought it...🤣
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Post by gawa on Sept 16, 2023 18:04:41 GMT
What's happened in here lads? Jumped to the final page and its like a royal rumble.
Anyone got any cliffs?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 16, 2023 18:07:19 GMT
What's happened in here lads? Jumped to the final page and its like a royal rumble. Anyone got any cliffs? I think some "newbies" have outed themselves as anything but...😅
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 16, 2023 18:19:41 GMT
So the great defender of free speech dangles the threat of libel when faced with something they don't like? Sounds about right. On the basis that being racist isn't actually illegal (inciting racial hatred and racially discriminatory behaviour is but that is a different matter) and isn't of itself reason to get you banned (again) from this board would you: 1 Admit that you are in fact racist 2 Understand why people think you are racists given your posting record You are very careful about how you word your posts so as to avoid saying anything overtly racist but it's virtually impossible not to come to that conclusion given what you have posted on here. So come on be honest for once - in the interest of promoting free speech do you hold views that would be considered racist if you actually had the balls to express them freely on this message board? How anyone can be racist in 2023 mate is beyond me. I can guarantee I've done more to battle real racists than you and other so called anti racists ever have. Just for balance I wouldn't ban Louis Farakhan (he might of died actually) from speaking and I wouldn't van Diane Abott neither. As much as I think their views are racist and abhorrent and have no place in multi cultural Britain I believe they have a right to speak so long as they aren't promoting violence or anything that harms kids. Do you agree ? Yes I agree. So - are you racist? Yes or no.
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Post by Pricey on Sept 16, 2023 18:20:19 GMT
Re: Brand, he’s basically a wannabe cult leader isn’t he? Attractive and charismatic man who blinds people with drama, humour and long words. Now finally outed as a bit of a charlatan. Maybe Lennon will prejudice the outcome of his trial as well and Tate can make a video about it? All three are the architects of their own downfall and should just go away.
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Post by tigermoth on Sept 16, 2023 18:23:52 GMT
So the great defender of free speech dangles the threat of libel when faced with something they don't like? Sounds about right. On the basis that being racist isn't actually illegal (inciting racial hatred and racially discriminatory behaviour is but that is a different matter) and isn't of itself reason to get you banned (again) from this board would you: 1 Admit that you are in fact racist 2 Understand why people think you are racists given your posting record You are very careful about how you word your posts so as to avoid saying anything overtly racist but it's virtually impossible not to come to that conclusion given what you have posted on here. So come on be honest for once - in the interest of promoting free speech do you hold views that would be considered racist if you actually had the balls to express them freely on this message board? The only post of mine that tigermoth has liked so far is one where I mentioned 10,000 dead Libyans...who'd have thought it...🤣 Hold on mate that's a bit low, you shouldn't accuse people of liking a tragedy. That's actually disgusting.
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Post by tigermoth on Sept 16, 2023 18:29:57 GMT
How anyone can be racist in 2023 mate is beyond me. I can guarantee I've done more to battle real racists than you and other so called anti racists ever have. Just for balance I wouldn't ban Louis Farakhan (he might of died actually) from speaking and I wouldn't van Diane Abott neither. As much as I think their views are racist and abhorrent and have no place in multi cultural Britain I believe they have a right to speak so long as they aren't promoting violence or anything that harms kids. Do you agree ? Yes I agree. So - are you racist? Yes or no. Normally I wouldn't even bother justify that question with a response mate but as a one of I will. Absolutely categorically no. Are you ?
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Post by gawa on Sept 16, 2023 18:32:12 GMT
What's happened in here lads? Jumped to the final page and its like a royal rumble. Anyone got any cliffs? I think some "newbies" have outed themselves as anything but...😅 Oh dear. Well if they stay within the rules of the forum then I hope they can be given the chance to rehabilitate themselves back into society. I think it's good for the forum to have more activity on here. Just hope nothing gets personal or crosses lines. I've not read the thread though so not sure what's kicked off here and if I cba to read it. Maybe wait till after the documentary lol. Anyone else intending to watch it
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Post by tigermoth on Sept 16, 2023 18:37:14 GMT
I think some "newbies" have outed themselves as anything but...😅 Oh dear. Well if they stay within the rules of the forum then I hope they can be given the chance to rehabilitate themselves back into society. I think it's good for the forum to have more activity on here. Just hope nothing gets personal or crosses lines. I've not read the thread though so not sure what's kicked off here and if I cba to read it. Maybe wait till after the documentary lol. Anyone else intending to watch it You are a reasonable poster mate that doesn't get personal. Have a watch of the 2 videos I posted and let me know what you think. They're long so I get that you might not have time but if you get chance have a butchers and let me know. 👍🏻
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 16, 2023 18:57:10 GMT
I think some "newbies" have outed themselves as anything but...😅 Oh dear. Well if they stay within the rules of the forum then I hope they can be given the chance to rehabilitate themselves back into society. I think it's good for the forum to have more activity on here. Just hope nothing gets personal or crosses lines. I've not read the thread though so not sure what's kicked off here and if I cba to read it. Maybe wait till after the documentary lol. Anyone else intending to watch it What times it on? In respect to crossing lines you’re spot on. I fear though that there’s been more lines crossed on this thread than a London tube map
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Post by gawa on Sept 16, 2023 19:11:52 GMT
Oh dear. Well if they stay within the rules of the forum then I hope they can be given the chance to rehabilitate themselves back into society. I think it's good for the forum to have more activity on here. Just hope nothing gets personal or crosses lines. I've not read the thread though so not sure what's kicked off here and if I cba to read it. Maybe wait till after the documentary lol. Anyone else intending to watch it You are a reasonable poster mate that doesn't get personal. Have a watch of the 2 videos I posted and let me know what you think. They're long so I get that you might not have time but if you get chance have a butchers and let me know. 👍🏻 Is it the Tommy Robinson one? I only seen one. I do have a question for you and its not one I'm trying to catch you out with either btw. But I just skimmed the first 2 pages and I think spitdog references that it's the MSM trying to get Brand like they have with Tommy Robinson and Tate. So my question isn't really about that specifically. But do you think the MSM and world leaders only go for those on the right, or do you think they go for the left too? Or do you think those they go for on the left is just a smoke screen sort of thing? See the bit I struggle with is when it's Hilary Clinton, Hunter Biden, Diane Abbott or Jeremy Corbyn being dragged through the shit in the media alot of the right leaning people agree with it and believe it. But sometimes it feels anytime someone on the right is accused or found guilty of something that it's automatically MSM corruption. But when they like the news there is no corruption and its all true. Do you get what I mean? In terms of this documentary. I watched Russel Brands YouTube video late last night and I felt he sounded really angry and agitated in it and then mellowed out towards the end when he was accusing the media and such of coming for him due to his right leaning beliefs. I think with anything like this it's always good to challenge your own as well as others beliefs. I think one thing we can all agree on is that we've witnessed alot of corruption from our governments in recent years and that understandebly causes distrust and people to second guess things.
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Post by marwood on Sept 16, 2023 19:12:57 GMT
9pm tonight, confirmed as Brand earlier today
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Post by tigermoth on Sept 16, 2023 19:23:04 GMT
You are a reasonable poster mate that doesn't get personal. Have a watch of the 2 videos I posted and let me know what you think. They're long so I get that you might not have time but if you get chance have a butchers and let me know. 👍🏻 Is it the Tommy Robinson one? I only seen one. I do have a question for you and its not one I'm trying to catch you out with either btw. But I just skimmed the first 2 pages and I think spitdog references that it's the MSM trying to get Brand like they have with Tommy Robinson and Tate. So my question isn't really about that specifically. But do you think the MSM and world leaders only go for those on the right, or do you think they go for the left too? Or do you think those they go for on the left is just a smoke screen sort of thing? See the bit I struggle with is when it's Hilary Clinton, Hunter Biden, Diane Abbott or Jeremy Corbyn being dragged through the shit in the media alot of the right leaning people agree with it and believe it. But sometimes it feels anytime someone on the right is accused or found guilty of something that it's automatically MSM corruption. But when they like the news there is no corruption and its all true. Do you get what I mean? In terms of this documentary. I watched Russel Brands YouTube video late last night and I felt he sounded really angry and agitated in it and then mellowed out towards the end when he was accusing the media and such of coming for him due to his right leaning beliefs. I think with anything like this it's always good to challenge your own as well as others beliefs. I think one thing we can all agree on is that we've witnessed alot of corruption from our governments in recent years and that understandebly causes distrust and people to second guess things. I fully get what you are saying mate but I see it as the other way round. If someone is pro globalisation, pro mass immigration, pro grown men twerking in front of kids and that sort of thing then it's all good and they can't give them a big enough platform but as soon as someone exposes views that value tradition, and family values and love for your own heritage and culture and personal responsibility and self respect they get cancelled and called racist. Regarding Brand. When he was actively campaigning against capitalism and being a typical lefty he was presenting big brother he was on this talk show and that talk show and making films. But now he's become a bit more balanced (although still very left wing) he's being called racist and far right. Calling Russel Brand far right is as ridiculous as calling Nick Griffin far left. Brand could be guilty of what he's been accused of and I wouldn't be surprised one bit but when I see how the media and the system has gone after TR for having a different views it makes me doubt the sincerity of all claims against anyone and everyone of a similar nature. Some folk get all uppity when Corbyn is called an anti semite , they say he isn't, but the same people are happy to call TR racist even though he clearly isn't. The double standards absolutely reeks.
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Post by gawa on Sept 16, 2023 19:57:17 GMT
Is it the Tommy Robinson one? I only seen one. I do have a question for you and its not one I'm trying to catch you out with either btw. But I just skimmed the first 2 pages and I think spitdog references that it's the MSM trying to get Brand like they have with Tommy Robinson and Tate. So my question isn't really about that specifically. But do you think the MSM and world leaders only go for those on the right, or do you think they go for the left too? Or do you think those they go for on the left is just a smoke screen sort of thing? See the bit I struggle with is when it's Hilary Clinton, Hunter Biden, Diane Abbott or Jeremy Corbyn being dragged through the shit in the media alot of the right leaning people agree with it and believe it. But sometimes it feels anytime someone on the right is accused or found guilty of something that it's automatically MSM corruption. But when they like the news there is no corruption and its all true. Do you get what I mean? In terms of this documentary. I watched Russel Brands YouTube video late last night and I felt he sounded really angry and agitated in it and then mellowed out towards the end when he was accusing the media and such of coming for him due to his right leaning beliefs. I think with anything like this it's always good to challenge your own as well as others beliefs. I think one thing we can all agree on is that we've witnessed alot of corruption from our governments in recent years and that understandebly causes distrust and people to second guess things. I fully get what you are saying mate but I see it as the other way round. If someone is pro globalisation, pro mass immigration, pro grown men twerking in front of kids and that sort of thing then it's all good and they can't give them a big enough platform but as soon as someone exposes views that value tradition, and family values and love for your own heritage and culture and personal responsibility and self respect they get cancelled and called racist. Regarding Brand. When he was actively campaigning against capitalism and being a typical lefty he was presenting big brother he was on this talk show and that talk show and making films. But now he's become a bit more balanced (although still very left wing) he's being called racist and far right. Calling Russel Brand far right is as ridiculous as calling Nick Griffin far left. Brand could be guilty of what he's been accused of and I wouldn't be surprised one bit but when I see how the media and the system has gone after TR for having a different views it makes me doubt the sincerity of all claims against anyone and everyone of a similar nature. Some folk get all uppity when Corbyn is called an anti semite , they say he isn't, but the same people are happy to call TR racist even though he clearly isn't. The double standards absolutely reeks. Firstly you're very right. Russell Brand historically hasn't been right wing and isn't as far as I'm aware. I remember watching the video he released last night and heard him refer to himself as right wing. Watching it back he was quoting a newspaper calling him right wing. I believe he has made alot of videos relating to covid which some consider "conspiracy" but I've not watched them myself. Personally though I'm not sure if I can be confident that Brand hasn't done, or has done, what he is going to be accused of. But I don't think it's suddenly came out in the news because of his covid opinions. I believe this documentary is meant to be about multiple comedians too? One could argue that when Jimmy Saville was wining and dining with Thatcher and driving up support for the conservative party while being very friendly with the media that he wasn't targeted either. So I don't buy into the perspective that because he has a different view on covid that he's now been targeted. I'm not saying you're implying that either, russell brand was the first one to suggest it in his video. As for your first paragraph I don't really agree with everything but I think we can agree to disagree. I think brand is a bit more relevant to this thread so that's why I focused on responding to that part. I do think though that us on the left have to listen more when it comes to stuff such as immigration, family values, tradition and culture. So when I ask questions it's not to catch you out, I just want another perspective. And I think it's important to try and understand others views even if you don't agree with them all. Appreciate you taking the time to reply.
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 16, 2023 20:01:09 GMT
Is it the Tommy Robinson one? I only seen one. I do have a question for you and its not one I'm trying to catch you out with either btw. But I just skimmed the first 2 pages and I think spitdog references that it's the MSM trying to get Brand like they have with Tommy Robinson and Tate. So my question isn't really about that specifically. But do you think the MSM and world leaders only go for those on the right, or do you think they go for the left too? Or do you think those they go for on the left is just a smoke screen sort of thing? See the bit I struggle with is when it's Hilary Clinton, Hunter Biden, Diane Abbott or Jeremy Corbyn being dragged through the shit in the media alot of the right leaning people agree with it and believe it. But sometimes it feels anytime someone on the right is accused or found guilty of something that it's automatically MSM corruption. But when they like the news there is no corruption and its all true. Do you get what I mean? In terms of this documentary. I watched Russel Brands YouTube video late last night and I felt he sounded really angry and agitated in it and then mellowed out towards the end when he was accusing the media and such of coming for him due to his right leaning beliefs. I think with anything like this it's always good to challenge your own as well as others beliefs. I think one thing we can all agree on is that we've witnessed alot of corruption from our governments in recent years and that understandebly causes distrust and people to second guess things. I fully get what you are saying mate but I see it as the other way round. If someone is pro globalisation, pro mass immigration, pro grown men twerking in front of kids and that sort of thing then it's all good and they can't give them a big enough platform but as soon as someone exposes views that value tradition, and family values and love for your own heritage and culture and personal responsibility and self respect they get cancelled and called racist. Regarding Brand. When he was actively campaigning against capitalism and being a typical lefty he was presenting big brother he was on this talk show and that talk show and making films. But now he's become a bit more balanced (although still very left wing) he's being called racist and far right. Calling Russel Brand far right is as ridiculous as calling Nick Griffin far left. Brand could be guilty of what he's been accused of and I wouldn't be surprised one bit but when I see how the media and the system has gone after TR for having a different views it makes me doubt the sincerity of all claims against anyone and everyone of a similar nature. Some folk get all uppity when Corbyn is called an anti semite , they say he isn't, but the same people are happy to call TR racist even though he clearly isn't. The double standards absolutely reeks. What about people like me? I value tradition, and family values and love for my own heritage and culture and I accept personal responsibility and have self respect. I am also pro immigration. Why can’t I be all those things?
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Post by tigermoth on Sept 16, 2023 20:10:30 GMT
I fully get what you are saying mate but I see it as the other way round. If someone is pro globalisation, pro mass immigration, pro grown men twerking in front of kids and that sort of thing then it's all good and they can't give them a big enough platform but as soon as someone exposes views that value tradition, and family values and love for your own heritage and culture and personal responsibility and self respect they get cancelled and called racist. Regarding Brand. When he was actively campaigning against capitalism and being a typical lefty he was presenting big brother he was on this talk show and that talk show and making films. But now he's become a bit more balanced (although still very left wing) he's being called racist and far right. Calling Russel Brand far right is as ridiculous as calling Nick Griffin far left. Brand could be guilty of what he's been accused of and I wouldn't be surprised one bit but when I see how the media and the system has gone after TR for having a different views it makes me doubt the sincerity of all claims against anyone and everyone of a similar nature. Some folk get all uppity when Corbyn is called an anti semite , they say he isn't, but the same people are happy to call TR racist even though he clearly isn't. The double standards absolutely reeks. What about people like me? I value tradition, and family values and love for my own heritage and culture and I accept personal responsibility and have self respect. I am also pro immigration. Why can’t I be all those things? Are you pro grown men twerking on toddlers and pro migrants getting special treatment and pro globalisation in the sense that nation states basically become one global clone of each other ?
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 16, 2023 20:25:04 GMT
What about people like me? I value tradition, and family values and love for my own heritage and culture and I accept personal responsibility and have self respect. I am also pro immigration. Why can’t I be all those things? Are you pro grown men twerking on toddlers and pro migrants getting special treatment and pro globalisation in the sense that nation states basically become one global clone of each other ? Jesus fucking Christ.
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Post by tigermoth on Sept 16, 2023 20:27:13 GMT
I fully get what you are saying mate but I see it as the other way round. If someone is pro globalisation, pro mass immigration, pro grown men twerking in front of kids and that sort of thing then it's all good and they can't give them a big enough platform but as soon as someone exposes views that value tradition, and family values and love for your own heritage and culture and personal responsibility and self respect they get cancelled and called racist. Regarding Brand. When he was actively campaigning against capitalism and being a typical lefty he was presenting big brother he was on this talk show and that talk show and making films. But now he's become a bit more balanced (although still very left wing) he's being called racist and far right. Calling Russel Brand far right is as ridiculous as calling Nick Griffin far left. Brand could be guilty of what he's been accused of and I wouldn't be surprised one bit but when I see how the media and the system has gone after TR for having a different views it makes me doubt the sincerity of all claims against anyone and everyone of a similar nature. Some folk get all uppity when Corbyn is called an anti semite , they say he isn't, but the same people are happy to call TR racist even though he clearly isn't. The double standards absolutely reeks. Firstly you're very right. Russell Brand historically hasn't been right wing and isn't as far as I'm aware. I remember watching the video he released last night and heard him refer to himself as right wing. Watching it back he was quoting a newspaper calling him right wing. I believe he has made alot of videos relating to covid which some consider "conspiracy" but I've not watched them myself. Personally though I'm not sure if I can be confident that Brand hasn't done, or has done, what he is going to be accused of. But I don't think it's suddenly came out in the news because of his covid opinions. I believe this documentary is meant to be about multiple comedians too? One could argue that when Jimmy Saville was wining and dining with Thatcher and driving up support for the conservative party while being very friendly with the media that he wasn't targeted either. So I don't buy into the perspective that because he has a different view on covid that he's now been targeted. I'm not saying you're implying that either, russell brand was the first one to suggest it in his video. As for your first paragraph I don't really agree with everything but I think we can agree to disagree. I think brand is a bit more relevant to this thread so that's why I focused on responding to that part. I do think though that us on the left have to listen more when it comes to stuff such as immigration, family values, tradition and culture. So when I ask questions it's not to catch you out, I just want another perspective. And I think it's important to try and understand others views even if you don't agree with them althis ksl. Appreciate you taking the time to reply. This is the thing mate, the likes of Huddy and people like him will never change my opinion or views, I'll just become more entrenched just to spite him, him and his gang do the exact opposite to what they are trying to do but someone like yourself is more likely to make me rethink and reconsider. I work with a bloke who's a lefty, proper skinny and dorky looking , loves anime , thinks he's intelligent, not masculine in any way shape or form, plays that geeky warhammer game, exactly how you'd expect him to look and be. When I first met him and heard him slagging Trump off and saying Corbyn was good I just thought 'good grief what a lefty tosser I haven't got the time of day for him' and I just didn't bother to engage in conversation with him. I thought we have nothing in common he's the opposite to me he's annoying etc . Fast forward 2 years and now I'd class him as a good mate. We disagree on loads of things but he's actually a really sound guy and he talks TO you not AT you. He knows my views and accepts them and I accept his. We both realise that what we think in terms of politics doesn't define who or what we are and the things we do have in common (a love of nature, murder documentaries, only fools and horses) unites us more than the things that divide us. Regarding Brand. I've watched (listened) to a few of his podcasts because when I commute to work I never have thr radio on in my car because small talk and commercials do my head in . I listen to different podcasts and from what I've seen Brand (can't believe I'm defending him because I used to hate the bloke) always went on record to say that he isn't anti vax and that covid was a real thing but he pointed out how it was, and will be used again to control us. That's not a conspiracy theory that's a fact that anyone with 2 eyes and more than 1 brain cell can see. He encourages people to question what's been fed to us and don't take everything the media say as gospel and I agree with him . But that's not the message that 'they' or the MSM want being spread.
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