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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 13, 2023 21:26:25 GMT
Build a good capacity arena enough to attract decent bands and artists and the rest will follow But that’s for another thread Corrected for you mate. The proposed 3,600 capacity format doesn't do the job. It’s utterly pointless when you have the Victoria Hall and the Regent within a cockstride
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 13, 2023 21:27:01 GMT
Why should they though? There’s plenty of people with money out there. In the spirit of sons of the city and all that. One thing they aren’t is stupid!
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Post by RF10 on Sept 13, 2023 21:27:56 GMT
Corrected for you mate. The proposed 3,600 capacity format doesn't do the job. It’s utterly pointless when you have the Victoria Hall and the Regent within a cockstride Yep. If your going do it match the 10,000 capacities then we will see a difference to the City.
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Post by skip on Sept 13, 2023 21:28:58 GMT
In the spirit of sons of the city and all that. One thing they aren’t is stupid! No, I don't suppose they are.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 13, 2023 21:30:17 GMT
One thing they aren’t is stupid! No, I don't suppose they are. I’ll give you a like for agreeing with me 😉
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 13, 2023 21:31:43 GMT
It’s utterly pointless when you have the Victoria Hall and the Regent within a cockstride Yep. If your going do it match the 10,000 capacities then we will see a difference to the City. It wouldn’t detract from the other two either. There’s some really thick people out there who think it’s a good idea
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Post by skip on Sept 13, 2023 21:33:37 GMT
It’s utterly pointless when you have the Victoria Hall and the Regent within a cockstride Yep. If your going do it match the 10,000 capacities then we will see a difference to the City. A music venue just brings in transient money, it doesn't transform a space on its own. That is why it needs to be a 'shake the Etch A Sketch' scenario and start from scratch. Forgive the 'skip lives in London and it's different down there', but take North Greenwich for example. The nation took the piss out of the Millennium Dome, and rightly so, it was a weird structure in the back of beyond, but that whole area now is incredibly different, and extremely popular. When I moved here it was a total wasteland. North Greenwich isn't much different in size to the whole of Hanley. It just takes capital, vision and the will to do it.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 13, 2023 21:35:56 GMT
Yep. If your going do it match the 10,000 capacities then we will see a difference to the City. A music venue just brings in transient money, it doesn't transform a space on its own. That is why it needs to be a 'shake the Etch A Sketch' scenario and start from scratch. Forgive the 'skip lives in London and it's different down there', but take North Greenwich for example. The nation took the piss out of the Millennium Dome, and rightly so, it was a weird structure in the back of beyond, but that whole area now is incredibly different, and extremely popular. When I moved here it was a total wasteland. And quite frankly, North Greenwich isn't much difference in size to the whole of Hanley. It just takes capital, vision and the will to do it. Something like the Boxparks down your neck would be decent and relatively cheap to chuck up with some attractive surroundings. Went the Shoreditch one the other week on the way to a Micky Flanagan gig and had a lovely time
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Post by skip on Sept 13, 2023 21:39:05 GMT
A music venue just brings in transient money, it doesn't transform a space on its own. That is why it needs to be a 'shake the Etch A Sketch' scenario and start from scratch. Forgive the 'skip lives in London and it's different down there', but take North Greenwich for example. The nation took the piss out of the Millennium Dome, and rightly so, it was a weird structure in the back of beyond, but that whole area now is incredibly different, and extremely popular. When I moved here it was a total wasteland. And quite frankly, North Greenwich isn't much difference in size to the whole of Hanley. It just takes capital, vision and the will to do it. Something like the Boxparks down your neck would be decent and relatively cheap to chuck up with some attractive surroundings. Went the Shoreditch one the other week on the way to a Micky Flanagan gig and had a lovely time Precisely that. Boxparks are excellent short term boosts. Clear the shit out nobody wants or needs and crack on. Offer attractive rates to start ups, get a few shiny and leftfield brands in to do their thing, micro breweries, bars, shops, barbers, all sorts. The one in Croydon is heaving three of four nights a week and has had a significant knock on effect to the shopping centres nearby. I know it cost an eye watering amount of money and a level of invention with engineering to leave most other projects face down in the dirt, but when you're down here next, have a look at the new London Bridge station. That was stab central and now its this Mecca of post-work socialising. Yes, I know this isn't what Hanley can hope to achieve, but yes, Boxparks should be all over SoT to help sort out a new experience in Hanley. Where was Mickey Flanagan on?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 13, 2023 21:49:52 GMT
Something like the Boxparks down your neck would be decent and relatively cheap to chuck up with some attractive surroundings. Went the Shoreditch one the other week on the way to a Micky Flanagan gig and had a lovely time Precisely that. Boxparks are excellent short term boosts. Clear the shit out nobody wants or needs and crack on. Offer attractive rates to start ups, get a few shiny and leftfield brands in to do their thing, micro breweries, bars, shops, barbers, all sorts. The one in Croydon is heaving three of four nights a week and has had a significant knock on effect to the shopping centres nearby. I know it cost an eye watering amount of money and a level of invention with engineering to leave most other projects face down in the dirt, but when you're down here next, have a look at the new London Bridge station. That was stab central and now its this Mecca of post-work socialising. Yes, I know this isn't what Hanley can hope to achieve, but yes, Boxparks should be all over SoT to help sort out a new experience in Hanley. Where was Mickey Flanagan on? O2 arena, his last night of the tour. I have to say it’s the first time I’ve been there and it knocks spots of Manchester or Birmingham. Expensive of course but where isn’t 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 13, 2023 21:53:18 GMT
With the right backing, a smart progressive minded team of developers could absolutely transform Hanley, and Stoke on Trent with it. It is somewhat perversely a place to build a new vision of a space - commercial, cultural, recreational, educational, everything in and nothing off the table - that others could learn from. Hanley could be absolutely transformed in under a decade, no sweat. Half a decade with the right minds behind it. In blunt terms, get the right people involved, flatten the lot of it (apart from the old buildings that are worth keeping for historic value) and start from scratch. Great idea, but how much do you think that will cost? You like to think if the money was there, something would have happened by now. Hanley regeneration definitely needs a team with vision, people that genuinely want the area to thrive. There was a time that Hanley was half-decent. Getting back to 20-odd years ago should be a starting point, and then build from there.
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Post by skip on Sept 13, 2023 21:54:07 GMT
Precisely that. Boxparks are excellent short term boosts. Clear the shit out nobody wants or needs and crack on. Offer attractive rates to start ups, get a few shiny and leftfield brands in to do their thing, micro breweries, bars, shops, barbers, all sorts. The one in Croydon is heaving three of four nights a week and has had a significant knock on effect to the shopping centres nearby. I know it cost an eye watering amount of money and a level of invention with engineering to leave most other projects face down in the dirt, but when you're down here next, have a look at the new London Bridge station. That was stab central and now its this Mecca of post-work socialising. Yes, I know this isn't what Hanley can hope to achieve, but yes, Boxparks should be all over SoT to help sort out a new experience in Hanley. Where was Mickey Flanagan on? O2 arena, his last night of the tour. I have to say it’s the first time I’ve been there and it knocks spots of Manchester or Birmingham. Expensive of course but where isn’t 🤷🏻♂️ A full O2 is a seriously top drawer venue. If I'd've know you were here I could have popped down the hill on the 108 and said hullo!
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Post by skip on Sept 13, 2023 21:57:03 GMT
With the right backing, a smart progressive minded team of developers could absolutely transform Hanley, and Stoke on Trent with it. It is somewhat perversely a place to build a new vision of a space - commercial, cultural, recreational, educational, everything in and nothing off the table - that others could learn from. Hanley could be absolutely transformed in under a decade, no sweat. Half a decade with the right minds behind it. In blunt terms, get the right people involved, flatten the lot of it (apart from the old buildings that are worth keeping for historic value) and start from scratch. Great idea, but how much do you think that will cost? You like to think if the money was there, something would have happened by now. Hanley regeneration definitely needs a team with vision, people that genuinely want the area to thrive. There was a time that Hanley was half-decent. Getting back to 20-odd years ago should be a starting point, and then build from there. £100m would be a start. I wouldn't go back twenty years or fifty, I'd see this as an opportunity to conceive of and build something totally new. Imagine a new space, don't try to reimagine the past. The potential is massive, arguably one of the biggest opportunities for a city to start anew that is being overlooked.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 13, 2023 21:57:54 GMT
O2 arena, his last night of the tour. I have to say it’s the first time I’ve been there and it knocks spots of Manchester or Birmingham. Expensive of course but where isn’t 🤷🏻♂️ A full O2 is a seriously top drawer venue. If I'd've know you were here I could have popped down the hill on the 108 and said hullo! Dropped a bollock getting a taxi from the hotel in Canary Wharf though. £35 for about 3 miles through the Blackwall tunnel. Should have been more organised and got the boat, trouble was I let the time at the Boxpark run away with me! But as you say it’s a great venue for a gig, always stuck to Manchester for big ones before but will defo be looking at O2 in the future
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2023 21:59:21 GMT
Where there is a will, there are relatives you never even knew existed ,about to appear out of nowhere.
Bristol waterfront was a shit hole until Tony Blair's son was accepted to Bristol university and Blair bought two massive flats right on the waterfront ( one for his son and one for the family)
Then decided, it really was about time,the government got behind a massive mega money redevelopment of the waterfront of Bristol .
Now it's lovely.
Where there is a will...
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 13, 2023 22:03:42 GMT
Where there is a will, there are relatives you never even knew existed ,about to appear out of nowhere. Bristol waterfront was a shit hole until Tony Blair's son was accepted to Bristol university and Blair bought two massive flats right on the waterfront ( one for his son and one for the family) Then decided, it really was about time,the government got behind a massive mega money redevelopment of the waterfront of Bristol . Now it's lovely. Where there is a will... Are you suggesting Rishi should move to Stoke?😉
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 13, 2023 22:24:32 GMT
I can remember when the Temple Bar area of Dublin was a real rat hole of an area and the regeneration project revived it. Was some project to buy the properties for businesses and bring new life to the area which now attracts so many people...not a case of liking it but the tourism it attracts is crazy and looks great whatever your opinion of it, tourist trap , yes but a great one. Was needle central when I went there first and you could buy property for very little. Was originally going the be the new bus terminal until the bar and cafe scene. Shows what can be done though if you give people the right incentive to move there and set up as business .
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Post by skip on Sept 13, 2023 22:28:00 GMT
A full O2 is a seriously top drawer venue. If I'd've know you were here I could have popped down the hill on the 108 and said hullo! Dropped a bollock getting a taxi from the hotel in Canary Wharf though. £35 for about 3 miles through the Blackwall tunnel. Should have been more organised and got the boat, trouble was I let the time at the Boxpark run away with me! But as you say it’s a great venue for a gig, always stuck to Manchester for big ones before but will defo be looking at O2 in the future Oof! Canary Wharf to North Greenwich is one stop on the Jubilee Line... never mind, you won't do it again.
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Post by kerouac on Sept 13, 2023 22:38:09 GMT
Something like the Boxparks down your neck would be decent and relatively cheap to chuck up with some attractive surroundings. Went the Shoreditch one the other week on the way to a Micky Flanagan gig and had a lovely time Precisely that. Boxparks are excellent short term boosts. Clear the shit out nobody wants or needs and crack on. Offer attractive rates to start ups, get a few shiny and leftfield brands in to do their thing, micro breweries, bars, shops, barbers, all sorts. The one in Croydon is heaving three of four nights a week and has had a significant knock on effect to the shopping centres nearby. I know it cost an eye watering amount of money and a level of invention with engineering to leave most other projects face down in the dirt, but when you're down here next, have a look at the new London Bridge station. That was stab central and now its this Mecca of post-work socialising. Yes, I know this isn't what Hanley can hope to achieve, but yes, Boxparks should be all over SoT to help sort out a new experience in Hanley. Where was Mickey Flanagan on? I have to say I was pleasantly surprised by the boxpark in Croydon…..although the bar is very low in that complete shit hole.Crust Bros pizzas are quite frankly as good as you can get outside of Italy(from a chain….)and I was amazed to see em there.Great food from small businesses,it was refreshing to see .
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Post by nonameface on Sept 13, 2023 23:17:05 GMT
Where there is a will, there are relatives you never even knew existed ,about to appear out of nowhere. Bristol waterfront was a shit hole until Tony Blair's son was accepted to Bristol university and Blair bought two massive flats right on the waterfront ( one for his son and one for the family) Then decided, it really was about time,the government got behind a massive mega money redevelopment of the waterfront of Bristol . Now it's lovely. Where there is a will... Harbourside is amazing now, but there was always that good starting position, with lots of decent sized businesses near by. Just not sure it's there in Hanley. The train station is 1.5m away, it needs to be way closer. Possibly could work in Shelton, if it was cleared to do so, or, get the train station moved to Hanley. Either way would cost serious brass. Also need to get the whole city centralised, none of this build each town shit up. It needs to be connected, get trams/trains from main commuter towns, drawing them all to the centre. Then need lots of decent office space for start ups and big businesses to make the most out of the cities massively under used talent.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 13, 2023 23:39:04 GMT
Hands up who does a lot of online shopping, knows someone in the family who does, knows friends or workmates who do?
Add. Out of town shopping
Just a couple of contributors to our high streets
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 13, 2023 23:54:23 GMT
Dropped a bollock getting a taxi from the hotel in Canary Wharf though. £35 for about 3 miles through the Blackwall tunnel. Should have been more organised and got the boat, trouble was I let the time at the Boxpark run away with me! But as you say it’s a great venue for a gig, always stuck to Manchester for big ones before but will defo be looking at O2 in the future Oof! Canary Wharf to North Greenwich is one stop on the Jubilee Line... never mind, you won't do it again. I always try and stay in North Greenwich when I’m in London. Beautiful area and great public transport
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Post by bloodtypered on Sept 14, 2023 0:02:30 GMT
Most of the time it was quite in there
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Post by cvillestokie on Sept 14, 2023 0:17:46 GMT
Is it still in the shopping center? Most of these are surely on their last legs.
Challenging to think what will replace them though. One near me was bought out by Home Depot. I imagine a lot of big, empty spaces in the UK/US in the near future.
The destruction bill for the one in Hanley would surely be enormous?
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Post by tinofspam on Sept 14, 2023 0:20:11 GMT
The only way to revive our town centres is with cafes, restaurants and nightclubs. Retail is dead everywhere now Unsure how true it is but apparently no new late licences are being given out for nightclubs up hanley at the moment, which is a shame as it needs it, more clubs keep closing, trinity street is on its arse. Go back 12 years and that street would be full on a Monday, maybe Friday and Saturday, lucky to see 10 people there now. I second the idea of an arena, whomever said it
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Post by s7oke on Sept 14, 2023 3:44:21 GMT
What a shithole our city centre has become. Another nail. Just bulldoze it and put something useful there like an immigration centre I thought it already was
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 14, 2023 4:03:56 GMT
Hasn’t it only just opened? I’ve been meaning to get down and check it out
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 14, 2023 9:20:50 GMT
If the city is to survive then maybe we need to look at it differently. If hanley is to be the city centre then the remaining 5 towns need to offer something different. Maybe each town should have its own identity, like Stoke the sports area, Longton the cultural area/museums, Burslem the local dump/recycling 🫣, etc. That way each area is protected by its own piece of the jigsaw.
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Post by elystokie on Sept 14, 2023 9:27:36 GMT
Is there any evidence to support that free parking will revive the prospects of a town/city centre? Hanley is a toilet, no amount of free parking would get me anywhere near the place. Yes. Biddulph introduced free parking for one hour about 12 months ago. Although I’ve got no evidence to support this, the town is definitely busier and at least two new businesses have sprung up. People used to drive to Ely from miles around because of the free 3 hours parking, it's a no brainer to at least give it a try. I never pay for parking personally and I prefer Hanley to Festival Park tbh, I find FP completely bland and only go if I need to visit certain outlets.
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 14, 2023 9:46:32 GMT
Dropped a bollock getting a taxi from the hotel in Canary Wharf though. £35 for about 3 miles through the Blackwall tunnel. Should have been more organised and got the boat, trouble was I let the time at the Boxpark run away with me! But as you say it’s a great venue for a gig, always stuck to Manchester for big ones before but will defo be looking at O2 in the future Oof! Canary Wharf to North Greenwich is one stop on the Jubilee Line... never mind, you won't do it again. Can yo ustill walk through the foot tunnel under the Thames there......?
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