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Post by choppercherry on Sept 13, 2023 19:17:06 GMT
The Brunswicks ace though. The Brunswick has been a shit hole for years (used to be good) anyway it's closed down now. And nowhere near the town centre 😂
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 13, 2023 19:21:31 GMT
The Brunswicks ace though. The Brunswick has been a shit hole for years (used to be good) anyway it's closed down now. Hasn't it closed permanently or is closing?
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Post by tigermoth on Sept 13, 2023 19:22:50 GMT
The Brunswicks ace though. The Brunswick has been a shit hole for years (used to be good) anyway it's closed down now. I was forced to go crewe a few months back to pick my Mrs up from the train station and i was early so nipped in the Brunswick for a pint. What a depressing backward shit hole. I drank half then fucked off wiped my feet on the way out and brought myself some chewing gum.
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Post by MilanStokie on Sept 13, 2023 19:22:58 GMT
I've said it many a time over the years. Hanley suffers from a terrible transport link and ridiculous parking.
You need to make the city centre accessible and easy to park before you can begin with making it look nicer.
How you go about this now, god knows. But a city with the design it has with 6 towns, really needed a tram system a long time ago. I fear it would now be far too costly, the city is in financial ruin and we are possibly past the point of no return in salvaging what is left of Hanley.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 13, 2023 19:28:53 GMT
The Brunswick has been a shit hole for years (used to be good) anyway it's closed down now. Hasn't it closed permanently or is closing? Closed permanently. It's been sold to a company who are turning it into a restaurant.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 13, 2023 19:29:00 GMT
No late night shopping anymore either, which seems about right given that most bus services knock off at 7pm.
I'm meeting my mate after work tomorrow up Hanley for a curry and a few pints and it'll be interesting to see what it's like on the night they used to have late night shopping. I'll be forced to get a taxi home too, as I'll be out until the crazy time of 10pm.
God knows what people from outside the area make of Hanley if they come to visit
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 13, 2023 19:32:02 GMT
Hasn't it closed permanently or is closing? Closed permanently. It's been sold to a company who are turning it into a restaurant. Was a dump but I oddly liked it when had the misfortune of being around there.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Sept 13, 2023 20:04:06 GMT
What a shithole our city centre has become. Another nail. Just bulldoze it and put something useful there like an immigration centre Unfortunately thats the problem who decided that Hanley should be the city centre The top of a windy hill did seem bad planning for a city centre, although it's worked in our favour at times for the Britannia Stadium, it's not fun for shopping or late nights out. There can't be many cities that built a football stadium and a city centre on top of windy hills!
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Post by banksy1art on Sept 13, 2023 20:28:31 GMT
The only way to revive our town centres is with cafes, restaurants and nightclubs. Retail is dead everywhere now
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 13, 2023 20:33:51 GMT
Unfortunately thats the problem who decided that Hanley should be the city centre The top of a windy hill did seem bad planning for a city centre, although it's worked in our favour at times for the Britannia Stadium, it's not fun for shopping or late nights out. There can't be many cities that built a football stadium and a city centre on top of windy hills! The city Council, developers and St Modwen fooked up a glorious opportunity 35 years ago. The whole stoke etruria valley from stoke to burslem could have been developed with a football stadium, shopping complex and hotels and trams onto the rail system. A new city centre in effect. The area is broken (like many of the north industrial towns) and will limp along like this for ever. Migration to peripheral areas will be the norm.
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Post by pretzel on Sept 13, 2023 20:35:44 GMT
That's sad to hear. Hopefully those that work there will be able to be relocated up to the ground in some other capacity. Can any of them play left back?
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Post by nonameface on Sept 13, 2023 20:43:18 GMT
Not been to Hanley for years, maybe 10.
Even back then, nightlife had died, everywhere looked dirty, it was depressing to walk around, no where nice to eat and no large offices for businesses to employ lots of people that could walk out in a lunchtime and spend money.
The poor transport links, with the train station not really walkable and bus routes being closed just compounds matters.
More and more people spending on the internet because its easy and hassle free. I'd prefer to spend more money to get something delivered than go out and buy from a shop.
Then throw in less disposable money in the UK, especially in poorer areas like Stoke and you see the shops struggling.
Improving things will require alot of effort, debt (investment) and luck.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 13, 2023 20:48:27 GMT
The top of a windy hill did seem bad planning for a city centre, although it's worked in our favour at times for the Britannia Stadium, it's not fun for shopping or late nights out. There can't be many cities that built a football stadium and a city centre on top of windy hills! The city Council, developers and St Modwen fooked up a glorious opportunity 35 years ago. The whole stoke etruria valley from stoke to burslem could have been developed with a football stadium, shopping complex and hotels and trams onto the rail system. A new city centre in effect. The area is broken (like many of the north industrial towns) and will limp along like this for ever. Migration to peripheral areas will be the norm. Didn't they try to develop the whole canal side at one time but was so much red tape with luxury flats etc and a casino etc ? St Modern weren't in a position to do that themselves
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 13, 2023 20:51:30 GMT
The city Council, developers and St Modwen fooked up a glorious opportunity 35 years ago. The whole stoke etruria valley from stoke to burslem could have been developed with a football stadium, shopping complex and hotels and trams onto the rail system. A new city centre in effect. The area is broken (like many of the north industrial towns) and will limp along like this for ever. Migration to peripheral areas will be the norm. Didn't they try to develop the whole canal side at one time but was so much red tape with luxury flats etc and a casino etc ? St Modern weren't in a position to do that themselves There is a project in Stoke by the train station at the mo which looks much more like it. If Hanley and others could follow suit that’d be marvellous. It’s absolutely flying up too. Capital and Centric have a decent portfolio for this kind of project. www.capitalandcentric.com/goods-yard
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 13, 2023 20:58:39 GMT
The top of a windy hill did seem bad planning for a city centre, although it's worked in our favour at times for the Britannia Stadium, it's not fun for shopping or late nights out. There can't be many cities that built a football stadium and a city centre on top of windy hills! The city Council, developers and St Modwen fooked up a glorious opportunity 35 years ago. The whole stoke etruria valley from stoke to burslem could have been developed with a football stadium, shopping complex and hotels and trams onto the rail system. A new city centre in effect. The area is broken (like many of the north industrial towns) and will limp along like this for ever. Migration to peripheral areas will be the norm. Was this stadium the one that we were meant to share with the vale by any chance??
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 13, 2023 21:00:28 GMT
That looks cool. I remember the original plans for the ground , well there 2 designs, I preferred the other one , more like the Reebok as it was, had other developments in mind which we mentioned on the arena thread before.
Not been to Stoke station in 30 years and that machine used to take your 20p for a Crunch bar as the tray never opened.
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 13, 2023 21:01:31 GMT
The city Council, developers and St Modwen fooked up a glorious opportunity 35 years ago. The whole stoke etruria valley from stoke to burslem could have been developed with a football stadium, shopping complex and hotels and trams onto the rail system. A new city centre in effect. The area is broken (like many of the north industrial towns) and will limp along like this for ever. Migration to peripheral areas will be the norm. Didn't they try to develop the whole canal side at one time but was so much red tape with luxury flats etc and a casino etc ? St Modern weren't in a position to do that themselves They've done bits and pieces around the city but it needed a proper joined up plan decades ago. The industry was gone but there was a potential for development of that area. They dipped their toe in the water with fezzie park and trentham etc. Can you imagine the possibilities if the loop line track was refurbished.
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 13, 2023 21:03:35 GMT
The city Council, developers and St Modwen fooked up a glorious opportunity 35 years ago. The whole stoke etruria valley from stoke to burslem could have been developed with a football stadium, shopping complex and hotels and trams onto the rail system. A new city centre in effect. The area is broken (like many of the north industrial towns) and will limp along like this for ever. Migration to peripheral areas will be the norm. Was this stadium the one that we were meant to share with the vale by any chance?? It could have been.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 13, 2023 21:05:35 GMT
Didn't they try to develop the whole canal side at one time but was so much red tape with luxury flats etc and a casino etc ? St Modern weren't in a position to do that themselves They've done bits and pieces around the city but it needed a proper joined up plan decades ago. The industry was gone but there was a potential for development of that area. They dipped their toe in the water with fezzie park and trentham etc. Can you imagine the possibilities if the loop line track was refurbished. Loop line? Tram? Can't remember the last time I was in Hanley. It looks like they gave a drunk fella a crayon and let him plan the City centre road system. I've done better on Sim City
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 13, 2023 21:06:58 GMT
The shopping centre is so woeful now with the empty debenhams on the side of it. Would be better to put all the shops in it elsewhere, and use the centre as the alleged indoor arena.
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Post by skip on Sept 13, 2023 21:08:18 GMT
With the right backing, a smart progressive minded team of developers could absolutely transform Hanley, and Stoke on Trent with it.
It is somewhat perversely a place to build a new vision of a space - commercial, cultural, recreational, educational, everything in and nothing off the table - that others could learn from.
Hanley could be absolutely transformed in under a decade, no sweat. Half a decade with the right minds behind it.
In blunt terms, get the right people involved, flatten the lot of it (apart from the old buildings that are worth keeping for historic value) and start from scratch.
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 13, 2023 21:08:21 GMT
Didn't they try to develop the whole canal side at one time but was so much red tape with luxury flats etc and a casino etc ? St Modern weren't in a position to do that themselves There is a project in Stoke by the train station at the mo which looks much more like it. If Hanley and others could follow suit that’d be marvellous. It’s absolutely flying up too. Capital and Centric have a decent portfolio for this kind of project. www.capitalandcentric.com/goods-yardThey are all bits and pieces though. Developers making money but not thinking about planning and the future. Why not develop the canal side buildings and history in Longport instead.
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 13, 2023 21:09:46 GMT
They've done bits and pieces around the city but it needed a proper joined up plan decades ago. The industry was gone but there was a potential for development of that area. They dipped their toe in the water with fezzie park and trentham etc. Can you imagine the possibilities if the loop line track was refurbished. Loop line? Tram? Can't remember the last time I was in Hanley. It looks like they gave a drunk fella a crayon and let him plan the City centre road system. I've done better on Sim City Absolutely
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 13, 2023 21:10:30 GMT
The shopping centre is so woeful now with the empty debenhams on the side of it. Would be better to put all the shops in it elsewhere, and use the centre as the alleged indoor arena. Or let some of those Dust heads wander about in there Dawn of the Dead 2 without the huge budget. Lukewarm Biggins can play Flyboy
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 13, 2023 21:11:57 GMT
There is a project in Stoke by the train station at the mo which looks much more like it. If Hanley and others could follow suit that’d be marvellous. It’s absolutely flying up too. Capital and Centric have a decent portfolio for this kind of project. www.capitalandcentric.com/goods-yardThey are all bits and pieces though. Developers making money but not thinking about planning and the future. Why not develop the canal side buildings and history in Longport instead. Just saying it could be a catalyst that’s all. And at least it’s getting done! If it’s a big success surely it’ll open peoples eyes to similar developments. A 3k arena, that’s the kind of thing that doesn’t get people going. Even in the unlikely event it did happen. The kind of projects Capital and Centric are doing are at least appealing and doable and definitely is capturing the publics interest
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 13, 2023 21:13:25 GMT
With the right backing, a smart progressive minded team of developers could absolutely transform Hanley, and Stoke on Trent with it. It is somewhat perversely a place to build a new vision of a space - commercial, cultural, recreational, educational, everything in and nothing off the table - that others could learn from. Hanley could be absolutely transformed in under a decade, no sweat. Half a decade with the right minds behind it. In blunt terms, get the right people involved, flatten the lot of it (apart from the old buildings that are worth keeping for historic value) and start from scratch. Absolutely flatten the lot. Phase one done in a heartbeat. In fact I’d rather see it flattened in 12 weeks than what’s there now
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Post by skip on Sept 13, 2023 21:21:58 GMT
With the right backing, a smart progressive minded team of developers could absolutely transform Hanley, and Stoke on Trent with it. It is somewhat perversely a place to build a new vision of a space - commercial, cultural, recreational, educational, everything in and nothing off the table - that others could learn from. Hanley could be absolutely transformed in under a decade, no sweat. Half a decade with the right minds behind it. In blunt terms, get the right people involved, flatten the lot of it (apart from the old buildings that are worth keeping for historic value) and start from scratch. Absolutely flatten the lot. Phase one done in a heartbeat. In fact I’d rather see it flattened in 12 weeks than what’s there now The Coates Dynasty could offer a £1,000,000 prize for the best architectural vision with RIBA's backing. Proper cement their legacy. There would be plenty of radical firms up for the challenge. p.s. I still attest to this day that one of the biggest mistakes SoT City Council did was to knock back Barlaston's own Cedric Price's ThinkBelt plan back in the late 1960s.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 13, 2023 21:24:25 GMT
Absolutely flatten the lot. Phase one done in a heartbeat. In fact I’d rather see it flattened in 12 weeks than what’s there now The Coates Dynasty could offer a £1,000,000 prize for the best architectural vision with RIBA's backing. Proper cement their legacy. There would be plenty of radical architectural firms up for the challenge. Why should they though? There’s plenty of people with money out there.
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Post by RF10 on Sept 13, 2023 21:24:35 GMT
What a shithole our city centre has become. Another nail. Just bulldoze it and put something useful there like an immigration centre Build a good capacity arena enough to attract decent bands and artists and the rest will follow But that’s for another thread Corrected for you mate. The proposed 3,600 capacity format doesn't do the job.
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Post by skip on Sept 13, 2023 21:25:37 GMT
The Coates Dynasty could offer a £1,000,000 prize for the best architectural vision with RIBA's backing. Proper cement their legacy. There would be plenty of radical architectural firms up for the challenge. Why should they though? There’s plenty of people with money out there. In the spirit of sons of the city and all that.
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