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Post by baconburger on Aug 25, 2023 7:54:12 GMT
---------Travers-------- ----------McNally--------- ----Pearson----Burger----- Leris--Johnson--Laurent--Vidigal Jun-Ho---Mmaee--Jojic--Chiquinho -----------Big Wes------ WTF?
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 25, 2023 7:58:07 GMT
Travers Bonham 1 Hoever +12Stevens 3Tymon (or squad replacement) 4McNally 5Wilmot 6Rose +17Pearson 8Burger 9Laurent 10Johnson 11Bae 12Mmaee 13Vidigal 14Wes 15Chiq 16Campbell 17Leris 18Jojic +1Baker Thompson We don't know how well we're going to do - but we've certainly created a squad of 18 outfield players (so far), just by virtue of all being summer signings and key men from last year, who'll all believe they should be playing, or on the bench as an absolute minimum. Thompson, who already doesn't seem to be in that top 18 once Bae and Burger are confirmed, may have his last game on the bench as soon as tomorrow? And 2-3 exclusions from the bench for any of the others would lead to a major sulk. Maybe the only one that'd accept a slow build into the squad is Jojic. So, if we were to add another RB and a fourth CB (which seems nailed-on) - and another striker as looks likely, the battle just to get into the matchday 20 would be pretty intense. The days of having squad filler floating about the periphery of the squad who kind of knew their place seems to be over. So the task of managing the egos of agitated players will begin, particularly if there aren't a couple of departures. Jojic and Bae are only 20 I think. I would imagine a few weeks at least of acclimatising, mainly of under 21 and League Cup appearances (Rotherham willing) before they make the Championship squad regularly. One or both might even get a local loan/train with us deal, although it seems unlikely. I do think Jojic will be quite peripheral for a fair amount of time. You didn't have to read between the lines too much to get that message from his introduction, did you? But I don't really think that'll be the case with Bae - certainly by Christmas he'll be expecting big minutes you'd think?
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 25, 2023 8:00:36 GMT
Jojic and Bae are only 20 I think. I would imagine a few weeks at least of acclimatising, mainly of under 21 and League Cup appearances (Rotherham willing) before they make the Championship squad regularly. One or both might even get a local loan/train with us deal, although it seems unlikely. I do think Jojic will be quite peripheral for a fair amount of time. You didn't have to read between the lines too much to get that message from his introduction, did you? But I don't really think that'll be the case with Bae - certainly by Christmas he'll be expecting big minutes you'd think? I think we’ll see him regularly after the international break. 2 weeks to get settled in, more so on the right time zone and he’ll be in. He looks a very good player.
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Post by mattador78 on Aug 25, 2023 8:10:53 GMT
More answers than questions more like. As already alluded we now have options, we potentially have multiple permeations between attacking or defending, players who have creativity and also a couple not adverse to the dark arts. For the last two seasons it been of plan A doesn’t work keep doing it until it nearly works then keep doing it again. With what we have seen so far 433 is the main with 532 and potentially 442 or 4411 available in the same game. Even if it doesn’t work this season and promotion doesn’t happen as long as we see a massive improvement over previous seasons and can stick around that area I will be happy. We won ugly against Watford in a game which performance wise we would have lost last season. With a couple of players being the difference maker for us and I haven’t seen that in a long time.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 25, 2023 8:32:01 GMT
In terms of this weekend: It's too early to put in Bae and Burger - they haven't had enough time to get familiar with their team mates. Sidibe is getting introduced slowly so is unlikely to start a league game just yet. Realistically Johnson is the only AM option and despite not firing on all cylinders Laurent is the best box to box option. Which leaves a toss up between Thompson and Pearson for the DM slot. Thompson played well last week and Pearson seems to be carrying a knock so Thompson might get the nod. As to how the midfield will shape up going forward I have no idea and until he sees how they shape up in training I suspect Neil has an open mind on the matter. He was prepared to drop Pearson last week so I don't think anyone can count in being a nailed on starter - which is exactly how it should be. Thompson, Pearson in double pivot, allowing the full backs to get forward more DJ to play, Laurent on the bench edit: just for Millwall by the way obviously Burger will be a regular Bae I assume will be easesd in off the bench for a while I wouldn't describe Thompson and Pearson as a double pivot. My understanding of a double pivot is having 2 box to box midfielders, both sitting when defending and one or the other bombing on when attacking. You might get away with Thompson as a box to box midfielder at a push but Pearson is definitely an out and out DM. Last year when (like it or not) Millwall were a better team than us and playing well turning the game into a war of attrition with a more defensive minded midfield would have made sense but this year they are low on confidence, not playing well and on paper at least we look the better footballing side. I'd play to our strengths and take the game to them so a midfield of Pearson/Thompson, Laurent and Johnson looks more progressive. I'd go for a more defensive midfield against a team that likes to press with a view to catching them on the break using a target man upfront. Neil has said our default setting is to play front foot attacking football and I can't see why we wouldn't go for Plan A against an out of sorts Millwall.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 25, 2023 8:32:59 GMT
More answers than questions more like. As already alluded we now have options, we potentially have multiple permeations between attacking or defending, players who have creativity and also a couple not adverse to the dark arts. For the last two seasons it been of plan A doesn’t work keep doing it until it nearly works then keep doing it again. With what we have seen so far 433 is the main with 532 and potentially 442 or 4411 available in the same game. Even if it doesn’t work this season and promotion doesn’t happen as long as we see a massive improvement over previous seasons and can stick around that area I will be happy. We won ugly against Watford in a game which performance wise we would have lost last season. With a couple of players being the difference maker for us and I haven’t seen that in a long time. Exactly, when we’re options ever a bad thing Especially with additional subs available. I know it wasn’t successful but the manager has shown he will make a change even in the first half if things aren’t working. Long may it continue.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 25, 2023 8:38:14 GMT
Thompson, Pearson in double pivot, allowing the full backs to get forward more DJ to play, Laurent on the bench edit: just for Millwall by the way obviously Burger will be a regular Bae I assume will be easesd in off the bench for a while I wouldn't describe Thompson and Pearson as a double pivot. My understanding of a double pivot is having 2 box to box midfielders, both sitting when defending and one or the other bombing on when attacking. You might get away with Thompson as a box to box midfielder at a push but Pearson is definitely an out and out DM. Last year when (like it or not) Millwall were a better team than us and playing well turning the game into a war of attrition with a more defensive minded midfield would have made sense but this year they are low on confidence, not playing well and on paper at least we look the better footballing side. I'd play to our strengths and take the game to them so a midfield of Pearson/Thompson, Laurent and Johnson looks more progressive. I'd go for a more defensive midfield against a team that likes to press with a view to catching them on the break using a target man upfront. Neil has said our default setting is to play front foot attacking football and I can't see why we wouldn't go for Plan A against an out of sorts Millwall. Agree Pearson or Thompson not and. Selection on merit says Thompson deserves to keep the shirt however I do think he’s inferior to Pearson so Will understand the managers call either way.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 25, 2023 8:38:43 GMT
---------Travers-------- ----------McNally--------- ----Pearson----Burger----- Leris--Johnson--Laurent--Vidigal Jun-Ho---Mmaee--Jojic--Chiquinho -----------Big Wes------ It's a great idea to squeeze everyone in mate but I don't think we will get away with playing thirteen players 😁
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Post by march4 on Aug 25, 2023 8:39:05 GMT
On Saturday, I fear we are going to be bullied in exactly the same way we were at Ipswich.
We’ve made a lot of signings but are still to address the two key gaps in the squad.
1. A strong, mobile goalscorer to lead the line. 2. A dominant, aggressive leader at CB.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 25, 2023 8:40:31 GMT
---------Travers-------- ----------McNally--------- ----Pearson----Burger----- Leris--Johnson--Laurent--Vidigal Jun-Ho---Mmaee--Jojic--Chiquinho -----------Big Wes------ Given that you've got 13 players and the lineup looks like something gestated in Beelzebub's arse after a massive bender I can only assume this is your idea of a starting line up for a club coven rather than an actual football team?
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Post by potterpanzera on Aug 25, 2023 8:46:14 GMT
One of the problems we've had since relegation is that whenever we get ourselves into some sort of form, we only have one way of playing and don't have a plan B. So when opposition managers suss out what we're doing well and take action to stop it, we're unable to change things and we just keep doing the same thing with diminishing results. Then we get desperate and change things for the sake of it and make things even worse. It happened 2 seasons ago when we had a great start to the season then got sussed out in October and were never able to get our momentum back. And it happened on a smaller scale last season when we had that purple patch in February and March which culminated in that great win at Coventry. Opposition managers sat up and took notice, put in measures to stop us and we had no response to it. So I see these options as a good thing. We have different options to tackle different types of opposition. And hopefully we don't get stuck with just one successful style of play and we can vary things so we don't get sussed out so easily again. Absolutely. Look at Ipswich when Big Wes was brought on. The depth we seem to be accumulating is very encouraging. Burger coming in creates a spine, it would seem, we haven't seen for some seasons now. The fact we have a choice between Prem pusher Pearson, Europa Conference Semi Finalist Burger, the flair or Laurent and even the potential of Baker is reassuring! Then to substantiate with, what appears, the consistency and professionalism of Johnson. I'm sure we will still encounter dips and frustrations but the pedigree at least should help us remain competitive as they've had a flavour/proven at this level.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 25, 2023 8:47:36 GMT
On Saturday, I fear we are going to be bullied in exactly the same way we were at Ipswich. We’ve made a lot of signings but are still to address the two key gaps in the squad. 1. A strong, mobile goalscorer to lead the line. 2. A dominant, aggressive leader at CB. I certainly think we’re not quite there in the central attacking position, personally I think there are just too many things Wesley doesn’t do well like scoring, heading and moving. I don’t see us being in for the type of CB you crave, they tend to dictate how the team has to play and I don’t think it’s in the managers mind at all. Expect a highly mobile CB who would play on the left of a 3 to be battling for selection with Wilmot and McNally with Rose as backup. He’ll have to be very decent to usurp Wilmot and McNally in a 2 I think they suit the way AN wants to play very well. Don’t expect to see a Danny Batth type at all.
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Post by delilahwhy on Aug 25, 2023 8:47:40 GMT
---------Travers-------- ----------McNally--------- ----Pearson----Burger----- Leris--Johnson--Laurent--Vidigal Jun-Ho---Mmaee--Jojic--Chiquinho -----------Big Wes------ Given that you've got 13 players and the lineup looks like something gestated in Beelzebub's arse after a massive bender I can only assume this is your idea of a starting line up for a club coven rather than an actual football team? I wasn't sure whether to pick McNally or not. When Campbell is fit I'd put him in instead of McNally. Wide left up front.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 25, 2023 8:49:26 GMT
Given that you've got 13 players and the lineup looks like something gestated in Beelzebub's arse after a massive bender I can only assume this is your idea of a starting line up for a club coven rather than an actual football team? I wasn't sure whether to pick McNally or not. When Campbell is fit I'd put him in instead of McNally. Wide left up front. Yeah right no defenders at all.
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Post by delilahwhy on Aug 25, 2023 8:51:53 GMT
I wasn't sure whether to pick McNally or not. When Campbell is fit I'd put him in instead of McNally. Wide left up front. Yeah right no defenders at all. Burger and Pearson are capable of defensive duties. And we've got Travers behind them. Plus Neil demands we defend from the front, so they all have a responsibility to put a shift in.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 25, 2023 8:55:57 GMT
Yeah right no defenders at all. Burger and Pearson are capable of defensive duties. And we've got Travers behind them. Plus Neil demands we defend from the front, so they all have a responsibility to put a shift in. OK. It’s Fantasy Island on steroids but if it keeps you happy.
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Post by apb1 on Aug 25, 2023 8:57:41 GMT
Jojic and Bae are only 20 I think. I would imagine a few weeks at least of acclimatising, mainly of under 21 and League Cup appearances (Rotherham willing) before they make the Championship squad regularly. One or both might even get a local loan/train with us deal, although it seems unlikely. I do think Jojic will be quite peripheral for a fair amount of time. You didn't have to read between the lines too much to get that message from his introduction, did you? But I don't really think that'll be the case with Bae - certainly by Christmas he'll be expecting big minutes you'd think? Yes there are deffo very different expectations with Bae but it’s almost impossible to guess how good he actually is until he’s started training with his peers. I just think the age, and at the risk of stereotyping, the work ethic most Korean players seem to have, might make easing him in slowly more of an option than with, say, Burger or Leris. It’s going to be fascinating to see how Neil manages rotation once we hit September Edit: AN quoted in Sentinel "We've added some younger players too who are not quite for the here and now. We've got a lot of signings but they're not all naturally going to start every game. We've got different types of signings that we've made across the piece - and some will surprise you more than others. We'll see how it pans out - we will certainly be active. "Not everything is going to be for the future and not everything is going to be for the here and now. When you look at the signings, I don't think it's going to be difficult to see which ones are which in terms of age profile, experience in games and what the next step in their career looks like.
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Post by mrnovember on Aug 26, 2023 16:07:12 GMT
One thing for sure, as a combination the three that started today was very hurty on the eyes.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 26, 2023 16:09:56 GMT
Think our starting midfield is the one that just finished the game, up to them now to keep their place.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Aug 26, 2023 16:11:05 GMT
Plenty of answers in that game.
Johnson was poor first half but looked a different player in the second half. Burger and Pearson were both excellent I thought.
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Post by stokefanone on Aug 27, 2023 18:57:17 GMT
after Saturday I think we have our answer?
Pearson, Burger and Johnson
Thompson, Sidibe, Bae, Ledri and Laurent if he stays? as back up.
Next Saturday team, Travers, Ledri, Stevens, Mcnally, Willmot, Pearson, Burger, Johnson, Campbell, Wesley, Vigidal.
We need to sign stewart for first choice centre forward.
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 28, 2023 10:09:34 GMT
A few questions
Is Pearson regarded as a shoo-in with Burger available?
Can Johnson play the box to box role?
Could a
Burger Johnson Ho-Jun.
In a 433 work?
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Post by trotter1980 on Aug 28, 2023 10:46:47 GMT
You'd imagine Pearson has signed to be first team when fit, Burger at the price mooted (4m+) is definitely first choice and if you put Captain Laurent in the trio for me that lacks any perceivable creativity which tells me Laurent's position is under fire as you'd imagine we'd want someone like Johnson or one of the new boys in the midfield. As for Baker, you'd imagine he further drops down the list when fit, but maybe I'm reading it all wrong and there will be enough in midfield with Burger, Pearson and Laurent? dont mind that midfield away from home but at home think we may a little bit more open with johnson or Bae at the top of the midfield
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Aug 28, 2023 10:50:50 GMT
4-2-3-1
Travers
Hoever McNally Bangsbo (Wilmott) Stevens
Pearson Burger
Leris Bae Vidigal
Big Wes (the new Mama)
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Post by lordb on Aug 28, 2023 10:58:32 GMT
A few questions Is Pearson regarded as a shoo-in with Burger available? Can Johnson play the box to box role? Could a Burger Johnson Ho-Jun. In a 433 work? Only one way to find out
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Post by idle on Aug 29, 2023 9:15:31 GMT
I think we have a decent midfield now: Pearson (Thompson) as DM, Burger in a pinch Burger (Laurent) as B2B, Baker in a pinch Johnson (Bae) as AM, with Mmaee if needed and even Baker in a real pinch
We could of course try Pearson as DM and Johnson/Bae as AMs if we're going gung-ho. Pearson and laurent as DMs and Burger as (A)MC if we're defending a lead.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 29, 2023 14:07:31 GMT
I think we have a decent midfield now: Pearson (Thompson) as DM, Burger in a pinch Burger (Laurent) as B2B, Baker in a pinch Johnson (Bae) as AM, with Mmaee if needed and even Baker in a real pinch We could of course try Pearson as DM and Johnson/Bae as AMs if we're going gung-ho. Pearson and laurent as DMs and Burger as (A)MC if we're defending a lead. Thompson would be the one classed as in a pinch at DM surely?
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 29, 2023 15:01:50 GMT
If Saturday was anything to go by, then Burger plus whoever else the manager feels is on form.
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Post by Championship Potter on Aug 29, 2023 15:51:36 GMT
Competition is generally good isn’t it? In each of the last few seasons we’ve invariably had 3 or 4 key players go off the boil and it has really cost us as we’ve either had to persist with them or bring in a squad player that just isn’t up to the right standard. Now pretty much any player in the squad could end up in the stands if they don’t play well.
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Post by idle on Aug 29, 2023 19:39:05 GMT
I think we have a decent midfield now: Pearson (Thompson) as DM, Burger in a pinch Burger (Laurent) as B2B, Baker in a pinch Johnson (Bae) as AM, with Mmaee if needed and even Baker in a real pinch We could of course try Pearson as DM and Johnson/Bae as AMs if we're going gung-ho. Pearson and laurent as DMs and Burger as (A)MC if we're defending a lead. Thompson would be the one classed as in a pinch at DM surely? I agree, but AN doesn't seem to think so (yet)
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