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Post by ravey123 on Aug 24, 2023 13:13:12 GMT
Among all the other positives I'm also liking the value for money we're getting. With the pedigree of players we're signing and the relatively low transfer fees (known or rumoured), I can't see us losing any money on anyone that may be sold down the line. Regardless of how our performances on the pitch pan out. Indeed, most look like they'll net a tidy profit. It's also not as easy as FM23. You need to convince these players to join a 'project', so it's a brilliant club effort and something that's clearly been in the making for some time. I think we can now see why AN left Sunderland for Stoke
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Post by coldtuesdaynight on Aug 24, 2023 13:28:57 GMT
There’s a massive difference between raw data, and even nicely presented bought data, and having something usuable stored in a in-house database. And as you say, doing anything with it after that point is where the real skill comes in. I would imagine that in the long run you want a model that has been trained on spotting what players data ‘looks like’ before a breakout season. And then, you have to know how to act on that information etc. My main point is, plenty of people seem to think that his role is ‘look at a database and suggest a player who has nice numbers’. But in reality he’ll be heading up a big team, comprised of people handing the tech side, scouting side, legal side etc etc. At the end of the day it’s a zero sum game, every team outside the top few mega rich clubs is playing catch up with the likes of Brentford and Brighton. Any club who thinks they can just buy access to a database for a few thousand and keep up with teams doing this kind of stuff in-house is in for a shock. The availability of data for football is vastly superior to most (non American) sports, but that’s the main reason we have to do all this kind of stuff to not get left behind. To be quite honest there probably are clubs who will just buy the football manager data and be shocked when they see a downward crash for 6-7 years (hang on, that sounds familiar… ) I'm not even sure an in-house database is necessary given the third-party software and data available now. It's way more than raw and nicely presented data, though I don't like to trust third-parties and would always keep a local backup! But yeah, I agree on your main point(s), that it's not as simple as looking at data, and also there's much more data available than what the likes of Football Manager provides. I do think we've tried to do this for a few years, but it didn't work out for whatever reason. Alex Aldridge for example, who's still at and highly thought of at a Championship rival. Millwall have only signed one overseas player so far this summer though! Maybe Rowett is still less open to the overseas market than Neil. Yeah it’s a good point, it’s not like we have done absolutely nothing towards this before. I got the impression from the media discussion on Aldridge his main strength was knowing which players from English teams were available on loan, which means he is presumably very knowledgeable on the reserve leagues. I guess that was our main problem after the initial Rowett splurge, we were trying to supplement a team fit for a promotion challenge by spotting lowish wage loanees with no men’s football experience. Now it feels like anyone signed on loan is simply because a permanent transfer isn’t feasible right now. To be fair to Aldridge it’s kind of worked results wise at Millwall, but given the reception Rowett got from Millwall fans last weekend maybe not to the point that fans are happy to pay to watch it.
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Post by femark on Dec 11, 2023 16:57:53 GMT
How much influence will Jared have on deciding the new manager. You'd assume that a similar sort of statistical analysis goes on with deciding Managers as it does with players?
It doesn't make any sense for John Coates to decide as he knows nowt about football. There are also question marks over Ricky Martin and his relationship with Alex Neil.
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Post by maxdecarlo on Dec 11, 2023 17:31:16 GMT
And it is clear from the garbage signings made since Dublin arrived that he clearly knows nothing about football..God help us if he has a say in the manager!
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Post by march4 on Dec 11, 2023 17:31:58 GMT
Has he been sacked yet?
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Post by NassauDave on Dec 11, 2023 18:50:39 GMT
He reminds me of Dale from Cuckoo.
Completely out there.
Wonder if he calls JC Chief John.
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Post by nonameface on Dec 11, 2023 18:54:14 GMT
The players we've signed have been of a better technical quality than we've had previously, but not so physical. With a decent possession based attacking manager we should do well.
Definitely not signed the type of player that would work well for Neil, no real athleticism anywhere!
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 11, 2023 19:03:46 GMT
The players we've signed have been of a better technical quality than we've had previously, but not so physical. With a decent possession based attacking manager we should do well. Definitely not signed the type of player that would work well for Neil, no real athleticism anywhere! Who is better than who? I don't think they are better technically, they can't thread a pass, they can't shoot, have difficulties keeping position and cannot score. What's technical about that? You think hoever is technical? Or Pearson? Burger makes 1 good pass forward in 10 and our strikers are technically inept. Powell was much better than any of them, but obviously injured too much. No one in our defence is better than Souttar or Collins.
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Post by biddulphchav on Dec 12, 2023 14:22:40 GMT
The players we've signed have been of a better technical quality than we've had previously, but not so physical. With a decent possession based attacking manager we should do well. Definitely not signed the type of player that would work well for Neil, no real athleticism anywhere! Who is better than who? I don't think they are better technically, they can't thread a pass, they can't shoot, have difficulties keeping position and cannot score. What's technical about that? You think hoever is technical? Or Pearson? Burger makes 1 good pass forward in 10 and our strikers are technically inept. Powell was much better than any of them, but obviously injured too much. No one in our defence is better than Souttar or Collins. I think Mmae, Vidigal and Bae are the technical players we’ve signed that are arguably better than what we’ve had on the books for a while. Hoever in that category too at a push. Don’t forget this is their first year in this league - they need time to adapt. I think they’ll come good. I agree about Powell, best footballer we’ve had since relegation, just a shame about his injuries
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 12, 2023 14:26:16 GMT
Football Manager Rylan gets a pass so far.
The players haven’t been coached properly.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Dec 12, 2023 14:28:02 GMT
Ludicrous to judge him on 4 months. I've seen enough to be encouraged by our more 'out there' signings.
My fear all along was that we would sign all these interesting players and they'd arrive here to find that useless twat coaching them.
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 12, 2023 14:30:22 GMT
No and why would he? The one success story of the dreadful summer past...
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Dec 12, 2023 14:55:24 GMT
No and why would he? The one success story of the dreadful summer past... Don't think he should be sacked, some of the signings have potential in my opinion.. vidigal, mmae, burger, junior, bae, Plus mcnally and Travers were decent loan signings.. When your revamping to the level we did in the summer there's gonna be some hits and some misses.. some will be no more than squad fillers because the recruitment was after so many players. Could it of been better...yes in certain positions on the pitch. But the failing has been the manager not getting anything out of this group and rightly he has paid the price for that.
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Post by march4 on Dec 12, 2023 15:32:18 GMT
No and why would he? The one success story of the dreadful summer past... His signings are diabolical.
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Post by Wizbit on Dec 12, 2023 15:51:41 GMT
No and why would he? The one success story of the dreadful summer past... His signings are diabolical. You have said some ridiculous things on here and thats up there with the best
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Post by baconburger on Dec 12, 2023 15:56:27 GMT
His signings are diabolical. You have said some ridiculous things on here and thats up there with the best Leave him be he’s in a world of his own and likes it there.
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 12, 2023 15:57:25 GMT
No and why would he? The one success story of the dreadful summer past... His signings are diabolical. Which one's in particular are you talking about?
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Post by theporcelainpele on Dec 12, 2023 16:02:18 GMT
His signings are diabolical. Which one's in particular are you talking about? Probably Rose, McNally, Stevens, Vidigal, Maaee, Wesley, Burger, Leris, Clarke, Chiquinho (remember that farce), Jojic etc etc. there’s more ie hoever, Johnson, gooch and Pearson but I’ll put them down to the bloke that’s already been axed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 16:06:20 GMT
Which one's in particular are you talking about? Probably Rose, McNally, Stevens, Vidigal, Maaee, Wesley, Burger, Leris, Clarke, Chiquinho (remember that farce), Jojic etc etc. there’s more ie hoever, Johnson, gooch and Pearson but I’ll put them down to the bloke that’s already been axed. Rose and McNally definitely Neil signings as he was linked to them last season way before Dublin and at a guess Clark, Stevens and probably Wesley too.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 12, 2023 16:07:57 GMT
And it is clear from the garbage signings made since Dublin arrived that he clearly knows nothing about football..God help us if he has a say in the manager! Seems harsh to call them garbage, I actually think the ones he's clearly had a bigger hand in have looked promising.
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Post by pushon on Dec 12, 2023 16:23:35 GMT
And it is clear from the garbage signings made since Dublin arrived that he clearly knows nothing about football..God help us if he has a say in the manager! Seems harsh to call them garbage, I actually think the ones he's clearly had a bigger hand in have looked promising. Unfortunately they're so promising that we're 2 points above the drop zone 😕
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 12, 2023 16:27:20 GMT
Seems harsh to call them garbage, I actually think the ones he's clearly had a bigger hand in have looked promising. Unfortunately they're so promising that we're 2 points above the drop zone 😕 That's not entirely on them though is it, dropping Jr for no reason, Johnson instead of Bae or even playing him out of position has been part of the bigger problem imo.
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Post by clarkeda on Dec 12, 2023 17:02:49 GMT
Probably Rose, McNally, Stevens, Vidigal, Maaee, Wesley, Burger, Leris, Clarke, Chiquinho (remember that farce), Jojic etc etc. there’s more ie hoever, Johnson, gooch and Pearson but I’ll put them down to the bloke that’s already been axed. Rose and McNally definitely Neil signings as he was linked to them last season way before Dublin and at a guess Clark, Stevens and probably Wesley too. When you add that Pearson, Gooch, Johnson and Hoever are defiantly not Dublin. Shows how bad AN recruitment has been not JD.
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Post by march4 on Dec 12, 2023 17:12:57 GMT
His signings are diabolical. Which one's in particular are you talking about? I’m talking about the huge gaps we still have down the spine of the team.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 17:13:08 GMT
Rose and McNally definitely Neil signings as he was linked to them last season way before Dublin and at a guess Clark, Stevens and probably Wesley too. When you add that Pearson, Gooch, Johnson and Hoever are defiantly not Dublin. Shows how bad AN recruitment has been not JD. I agree apart from Pearson, I still think he's a decent player and will be an important player under whoever comes in. He started the season poorly but I feel the recent criticism has been way over the top.
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Post by thornestein on Dec 12, 2023 17:28:06 GMT
His signings are diabolical. You have said some ridiculous things on here and thats up there with the best just March been March as normal
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Post by march4 on Dec 12, 2023 17:37:45 GMT
You have said some ridiculous things on here and thats up there with the best just March been March as normal You seriously can’t defend the state of the squad with gaps in key positions.
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 12, 2023 17:41:01 GMT
Which one's in particular are you talking about? I’m talking about the huge gaps we still have down the spine of the team. I'd say that one lands in the lap of your glorious, former leader you've been gushing over for 12 months.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Dec 12, 2023 17:41:44 GMT
just March been March as normal You seriously can’t defend the state of the squad with gaps in key positions. Only fickle fans moan about what the club does.
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Post by alexanderinstone on Dec 12, 2023 17:47:07 GMT
Players are 'free transfers' for a very good reason.
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