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Post by Picasso on Aug 17, 2023 15:20:08 GMT
Paradoxically, as I’m reading, I’m agreeing with the premiss of the thread - that these plays on words are tiresome - while thinking of my own fast food related puns! 🫢
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 17, 2023 15:25:13 GMT
Ive been reading this same comment every week for years and years. It was shit then according to many, many posters. Things were always better before. My only response here would be, if you (or anyone) wants it to be 'better' then try to make a positive contribution to it. That's the only way it can change surely? Otherwise it's always someone else's responsibility. What do you think? I actually think there is less animosity between posters these days compared to previous which is a positive surely. It’s up to grown adults not to pollute the place mate ….not admin It’s tedious and it’s boring Whereas the sort of board you're advocating for sounds like an absolute riot
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 17, 2023 15:27:18 GMT
The biggest issue with the Oatcake, for me, has been the tendency over the last few years to resurrect old threads with new, usually unrelated news. One of the great things about the Oatcake has always been that it has never been one of those places where there is one thread for a player or manager that must be used for all discussion about them ever.
Don't get me wrong, I think that the biggest transfer thread is sensible, as is having one thread for when a player is rumoured to be signing.
I find it makes the board more difficult to navigate and use. The 'new' button only picks things up going so far back, meaning that for older threads it will just take you to the opening post. This means that you then have to wade through what would be 20+ pages of posts to find the news.
As an example, there was recently a post on a thread about Bojan appearing on TalkSport. The thread was a few months old and the new post was only tangentially related to Bojan. How is anybody with any interest in that post supposed to know that it's there unless they scour every single post on the board?
My ideal solution would be if the admin locked any thread more than one week old that gets brought to the top.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 17, 2023 15:37:42 GMT
I disagree and think forums are the best form of public communication online. Do you know you can click the "New" link by posts to it take you to the latest unread reply? I didn't for many years and that was a gamechanger when someone pointed it out. As for social media, Facebook and Twitter shows me so much crap I'm not interested in, where at least on a forum I can click the topics I'm interested in. It's often pun and pointless little comments that get voted up on Reddit. E.g. I used to participate in Taskmaster threads after that show was broadcast and there were often interesting and thoughtful comments, but now what gets most votes is often just a load of one-liners or even worse, two-worders. There are maybe two threads here on the football forum that are a bit overladen with puns? Like many things Stoke City-related on this forum, it's not the massive issue some are making it out to be. I've mostly stayed out of the transfer activity thread for years anyway because it's often a load of hearsay and fluff. I think it’s just that the worst thing with this system is people who are annoyed by certain things, can’t avoid them at all. While one pun on Reddit tends to get voted to the top, the rest (that don’t disappear to the very bottom) tend to be replies to the most upvoted pun and they’re easy to skip past if you want to see the ‘proper’ replies. For example, this conversation will be split apart, and anyone who absolutely hates us - or more likely just thinks that 2 people having opposing opinions on the exact layout of a forum isn’t entertaining enough to read (the losers) - will have to scroll past it if they were trying to follow a different conversation etc. That said, I’m not sat here thinking your POV is completely wrong or anything… it’s not like other current systems are perfect. I think it’s a very hard thing to get right and we’ll probably be looking at completely different layouts on all the sites mentioned in 10 years time. Thanks for the new post suggestion. I’ll give it a try. foster has a great point on chronological order - something I forgot to mention but one of the main reasons I prefer forums. For me, that makes conversations easy to follow even though other posts might appear in between, and the quote feature helps that too. There is a block member feature on this forum also, which I've been tempted to use a couple of times but don't think I have. That's not my experience on Reddit, though it does depend on the subreddit and the more popular they get, the worse they tend to get in my experience. I used to be a member of a few music forums and miss them now they've been replaced by Facebook Groups, Reddit, and other social media. I always feel like forums have more of a community. It's much easier for anyone to get visibility on a forum, which I don't think many would disagree is much fairer than algorithms deciding visibility on social media. But yeah - good discussion, and that's what opinions should be all about!
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 17, 2023 15:39:04 GMT
The biggest issue with the Oatcake, for me, has been the tendency over the last few years to resurrect old threads with new, usually unrelated news. One of the great things about the Oatcake has always been that it has never been one of those places where there is one thread for a player or manager that must be used for all discussion about them ever. Don't get me wrong, I think that the biggest transfer thread is sensible, as is having one thread for when a player is rumoured to be signing. I find it makes the board more difficult to navigate and use. The 'new' button only picks things up going so far back, meaning that for older threads it will just take you to the opening post. This means that you then have to wade through what would be 20+ pages of posts to find the news. As an example, there was recently a post on a thread about Bojan appearing on TalkSport. The thread was a few months old and the new post was only tangentially related to Bojan. How is anybody with any interest in that post supposed to know that it's there unless they scour every single post on the board? My ideal solution would be if the admin locked any thread more than one week old that gets brought to the top. What do you mean "scour every post on the board", why would you have to do that? Every post is time-stamped and if a thread comes to the top it takes a matter of seconds to go to the end and find the contribution that reactivated it - hardly any longer than it would take to open a new thread. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't get what the issue is.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 17, 2023 15:41:13 GMT
The biggest issue with the Oatcake, for me, has been the tendency over the last few years to resurrect old threads with new, usually unrelated news. One of the great things about the Oatcake has always been that it has never been one of those places where there is one thread for a player or manager that must be used for all discussion about them ever. Don't get me wrong, I think that the biggest transfer thread is sensible, as is having one thread for when a player is rumoured to be signing. I find it makes the board more difficult to navigate and use. The 'new' button only picks things up going so far back, meaning that for older threads it will just take you to the opening post. This means that you then have to wade through what would be 20+ pages of posts to find the news. As an example, there was recently a post on a thread about Bojan appearing on TalkSport. The thread was a few months old and the new post was only tangentially related to Bojan. How is anybody with any interest in that post supposed to know that it's there unless they scour every single post on the board? My ideal solution would be if the admin locked any thread more than one week old that gets brought to the top. What do you mean "scour every post on the board", why would you have to do that? Every post is time-stamped and if a thread comes to the top it takes a matter of seconds to go to the end and find the contribution that reactivated it - hardly any longer than it would take to open a new thread. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't get what the issue is. If there's a 40-page old thread that's bumped, it can be a nightmare trying to find where it left off pre-bump, especially if there are pages of new replies. I agree with Olgrligm apart from a blanket locking of any thread more than a week old, which I don't think would be ideal either.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Aug 17, 2023 15:45:19 GMT
I love the idea that this was once was a board where great minds would meet to discuss challenging issues and not a place where idiots are idiots.
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 17, 2023 15:48:31 GMT
What do you mean "scour every post on the board", why would you have to do that? Every post is time-stamped and if a thread comes to the top it takes a matter of seconds to go to the end and find the contribution that reactivated it - hardly any longer than it would take to open a new thread. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't get what the issue is. If there's a 40-page old thread that's bumped, it can be a nightmare trying to find where it left off pre-bump, especially if there are pages of new replies. I agree with Olgrligm apart from a blanket locking of any thread more than a week old, which I don't think would be ideal either. Doesn't the "new" button deal with that? Not that I've ever got into the habit of using it, I've never found the need to. Maybe some of this is app-dependent, I used to use tapatalk and that was absolutely shite
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 17, 2023 15:51:35 GMT
The biggest issue with the Oatcake, for me, has been the tendency over the last few years to resurrect old threads with new, usually unrelated news. One of the great things about the Oatcake has always been that it has never been one of those places where there is one thread for a player or manager that must be used for all discussion about them ever. Don't get me wrong, I think that the biggest transfer thread is sensible, as is having one thread for when a player is rumoured to be signing. I find it makes the board more difficult to navigate and use. The 'new' button only picks things up going so far back, meaning that for older threads it will just take you to the opening post. This means that you then have to wade through what would be 20+ pages of posts to find the news. As an example, there was recently a post on a thread about Bojan appearing on TalkSport. The thread was a few months old and the new post was only tangentially related to Bojan. How is anybody with any interest in that post supposed to know that it's there unless they scour every single post on the board? My ideal solution would be if the admin locked any thread more than one week old that gets brought to the top. You are aware that you can click on the last page of the thread🙄
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Aug 17, 2023 15:51:54 GMT
I love the idea that this was once was a board where great minds would meet to discuss challenging issues and not a place where idiots are idiots. I agree, this used to be the place where the merits of each of the sky sports news girls was discussed, and the debate whether Natalie Sawyer would wear yellow on deadline day. Now it's just descended into talking about baps and burgers....how far have we fallen..
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 17, 2023 15:53:05 GMT
Bring back karma, that sorted the men out from the boys.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 17, 2023 15:54:30 GMT
If there's a 40-page old thread that's bumped, it can be a nightmare trying to find where it left off pre-bump, especially if there are pages of new replies. I agree with Olgrligm apart from a blanket locking of any thread more than a week old, which I don't think would be ideal either. Doesn't the "new" button deal with that? Not that I've ever got into the habit of using it, I've never found the need to. Maybe some of this is app-dependent, I used to use tapatalk and that was absolutely shite The 'New' button doesn't work for old threads. It just goes to page 1.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Aug 17, 2023 15:58:17 GMT
Tox, it’s juvenile behaviour, these people just can’t help themselves unfortunately 😢 Are the nasty men upsetting you? No just you. If I didn’t know better I’d think you might be an immature little shit with nothing better to do than troll this message board getting in the way of reasonable debate before getting his arse wiped by mummy. Fortunately I do know better and wouldn’t comprehend suggesting such a scenario.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 17, 2023 16:02:54 GMT
if this forum carries on like it is it will lose its user base anyway, I am fast losing interest in playing silly games and reading stupid post that have no relevance to the one its attached to. I love how “I don’t like this forum” becomes “it will lose its user base”. Like how people predict poor sales when a new shirt is not to their taste, before the shop has another record year… The board is fine and I’d assume the majority feel the same way, given it’s probably the most populated and active old-school football messageboard out there. I don’t recall ever seeing a busier one. It could be seen as outdated but to me messageboards like this are part of online fan culture that has a history now, in a similar way that paper fanzines were back in the day. I like the simple equality of the chronological ordering of replies and it’s not difficult to perfect your page search skills to sort the wheat from the chaff - although in the main I don’t think there even is that much chaff tbh, silly puns notwithstanding. I feel like this community has grown older with the board and things are *generally* discussed and debated constructively. With some notable exceptions obviously. I don’t want upvoting/downvoting, other people or algorithms deciding what’s worthy of my attention. If you do, there are a hundred other places to get it - Twitter, Instagram, myriad Facebook pages, the subreddit etc etc etc. Bugger off there and leave proboards alone 😉 I tend to agree. I'm not convinced that 'I don't like this board, therefore let's change how it works and what people post' really works in practice on a public message board, neither is it a good approach. What about what all the other people like and dislike? I'm all for revised practices if they work and there is a consensus but a bit of give and take is a good thing generally. This board is chaotic, frustrating, silly etc at times.....but isn't that like life for most people anyway?
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Aug 17, 2023 16:07:31 GMT
Maybe the only way to truly sort this out is to mob up at Sir Stans statue.
We could have
Puns v no puns Thread lockers v thread openers
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 17, 2023 16:09:58 GMT
I love how “I don’t like this forum” becomes “it will lose its user base”. Like how people predict poor sales when a new shirt is not to their taste, before the shop has another record year… The board is fine and I’d assume the majority feel the same way, given it’s probably the most populated and active old-school football messageboard out there. I don’t recall ever seeing a busier one. It could be seen as outdated but to me messageboards like this are part of online fan culture that has a history now, in a similar way that paper fanzines were back in the day. I like the simple equality of the chronological ordering of replies and it’s not difficult to perfect your page search skills to sort the wheat from the chaff - although in the main I don’t think there even is that much chaff tbh, silly puns notwithstanding. I feel like this community has grown older with the board and things are *generally* discussed and debated constructively. With some notable exceptions obviously. I don’t want upvoting/downvoting, other people or algorithms deciding what’s worthy of my attention. If you do, there are a hundred other places to get it - Twitter, Instagram, myriad Facebook pages, the subreddit etc etc etc. Bugger off there and leave proboards alone 😉 I tend to agree. I'm not convinced that 'I don't like this board, therefore let's change how it works and what people post' really works in practice on a public message board, neither is it a good approach. What about what all the other people like and dislike? I'm all for revised practices if they work and there is a consensus but a bit of give and take is a good thing generally. This board is chaotic, frustrating, silly etc at times.....but isn't that like life for most people anyway? As an aside I also can't get my head round how people don't understand that demanding somebody stop doing something they don't like just massively incentivises that behaviour. Nothing will get somebody acting immaturely quicker than being told to grow up.
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Post by thepottypotter on Aug 17, 2023 16:30:19 GMT
I tend to agree. I'm not convinced that 'I don't like this board, therefore let's change how it works and what people post' really works in practice on a public message board, neither is it a good approach. What about what all the other people like and dislike? I'm all for revised practices if they work and there is a consensus but a bit of give and take is a good thing generally. This board is chaotic, frustrating, silly etc at times.....but isn't that like life for most people anyway? As an aside I also can't get my head round how people don't understand that demanding somebody stop doing something they don't like just massively incentivises that behaviour. Nothing will get somebody acting immaturely quicker than being told to grow up. Agreed. The oxygen of attention is what keeps mouth breathers like me going 😃
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Post by thepottypotter on Aug 17, 2023 16:33:20 GMT
Paradoxically, as I’m reading, I’m agreeing with the premiss of the thread - that these plays on words are tiresome - while thinking of my own fast food related puns! 🫢 Sound like you need to get your grill on
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 17, 2023 16:49:37 GMT
Maybe the only way to truly sort this out is to mob up at Sir Stans statue. We could have Puns v no puns Thread lockers v thread openers Stan and deliver - good idea.
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Post by glpotter on Aug 17, 2023 16:51:13 GMT
First time poster
Registered to say I agree
Painful
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Post by thepottypotter on Aug 17, 2023 16:54:18 GMT
First time poster Registered to say I agree Painful Welcome to the Oatcake
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Aug 17, 2023 16:57:08 GMT
First time poster Registered to say I agree Painful As a newly registered person the last few days have been horrible (while unregistered) due to having to trawl through the shitty repeated puns etc. Thankfully the "new" button taking you back to where you left off is a godsend. And the ability to block will likely cone in handy at some point 🤣
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Post by thepottypotter on Aug 17, 2023 16:59:55 GMT
First time poster Registered to say I agree Painful As a newly registered person the last few days have been horrible (while unregistered) due to having to trawl through the shitty repeated puns etc. Thankfully the "new" button taking you back to where you left off is a godsend. And the ability to block will likely cone in handy at some point 🤣 I am glad you have solved your punblem.
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Post by leicspotter on Aug 17, 2023 17:06:21 GMT
Stop fretting, they'll be back at school soon
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 17, 2023 17:06:32 GMT
There are always unexpected benefits. Who would've thought pun-filled threads would lead to so many new members?
If other forums knew this years ago, they may not have died a death.
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Post by J-Roar on Aug 17, 2023 17:09:05 GMT
Are the nasty men upsetting you? No just you. If I didn’t know better I’d think you might be an immature little shit with nothing better to do than troll this message board getting in the way of reasonable debate before getting his arse wiped by mummy. Fortunately I do know better and wouldn’t comprehend suggesting such a scenario. There's a certain irony in someone who is crying to admin accusing me of running off to my mother.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2023 17:11:51 GMT
I love the idea that this was once was a board where great minds would meet to discuss challenging issues and not a place where idiots are idiots. Sounds more like a reflection of how society has changed over the years.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 17, 2023 17:22:27 GMT
I love the idea that this was once was a board where great minds would meet to discuss challenging issues and not a place where idiots are idiots. Sounds more like a reflection of how society has changed over the years. Welcome back
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Post by glpotter on Aug 17, 2023 17:28:25 GMT
First time poster Registered to say I agree Painful Welcome to the Oatcake Thank you sir
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Post by Batfink on Aug 17, 2023 17:42:20 GMT
Maybe the only way to truly sort this out is to mob up at Sir Stans statue. We could have Puns v no punsThread lockers v thread openers How would people know who to fight? What if they hit a ‘pun’ when it was actually ‘no pun’ intended?
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