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Post by george2again on Sept 3, 2023 10:42:02 GMT
It would help him if our forwards and Lauren get anywhere near him when he’s shielding the ball. Awful how far away they were from him yesterday.
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Post by cvillestokie on Sept 3, 2023 10:43:58 GMT
I thought he played well enough but had zero support, no one in the midfield making runs past him for the ball when he was trying to hold off two or three players and neither of the wide players got close enough to him if he won a header, if he's going to be a regular in the side it really needs working on. Agreed. I don’t understand why our wide players are hugging the touch line. Surely, there should be some communication when the ball goes to Wesley that one of them tucks in so he can lay the ball off to them while the other makes a run towards the box?
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Post by elystokie on Sept 3, 2023 10:57:35 GMT
Not massively impressed so far, I think he should be much more of a handful than he is currently given his size.
On the one hand the ball seems to bounce off him fairly often but on the other I saw a great bit of skill yesterday that would indicate there's a player there.
Very early days, hopefully he's just one of those players that takes a little time to settle in and we'll see the best of him soon.
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 3, 2023 11:06:01 GMT
I didn’t see it yesterday, but I think AN would have preferred to start Mmaee yesterday with the option to bring Wesley on if we needed to.
Mmaee superior technical ability (as per the Rotherham goal) might have unlocked something for us.
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Post by stokecitydom on Sept 3, 2023 11:10:06 GMT
He looks great when the ball is played to his feet (bar the odd one bouncing off him). He can hold the defenders off at ease and did this brilliantly a couple of times yesterday.
However he offers absolutely no goal threat. We put 50 or so crosses in yesterday and 9 corners and he didn’t get close to scoring.
They looked a well drilled outfit and dealt with us pretty easily. Our plan seemed to be get to the byline and cross. This just wasn’t working and I said at the time to throw Gayle on and give him some support.
Ideally though we’d have had Mmaee as an option and who knows, he might’ve been able to create a moment just like against Rotherham.
For me Wesley should be Plan B, whether Plan A will work is another question.
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 3, 2023 11:13:13 GMT
I don’t think he’s a up top on his own type of player to be honest, he needs a striker partner or a 10 who essentially plays off him. Whoever that player is needs to have a bit of pace.
The way we are using him now doesn’t bring out the best in him. But in the limited time I’ve been watching he’s essentially laid on Vidigal’s goal against Watford, put another on a plate for Vidigal (out of nothing) against Millwall, and put another chance on a plate for Campbell yesterday. If we can get our other players closer to him he’s big enough and has enough skill to make things happen for them, least of our problems.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 3, 2023 11:39:22 GMT
He looks great when the ball is played to his feet (bar the odd one bouncing off him). He can hold the defenders off at ease and did this brilliantly a couple of times yesterday. However he offers absolutely no goal threat. We put 50 or so crosses in yesterday and 9 corners and he didn’t get close to scoring. They looked a well drilled outfit and dealt with us pretty easily. Our plan seemed to be get to the byline and cross. This just wasn’t working and I said at the time to throw Gayle on and give him some support. Ideally though we’d have had Mmaee as an option and who knows, he might’ve been able to create a moment just like against Rotherham. For me Wesley should be Plan B, whether Plan A will work is another question. Tbf most of the crosses and corners were toss.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 3, 2023 11:41:06 GMT
He’ll be ten times better if we let Bae play the Bojan role.
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Post by superpotter on Sept 3, 2023 12:18:11 GMT
I’d be happy for him to be plan C
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Post by wearepremierleague on Sept 3, 2023 12:43:21 GMT
He’ll be ten times better if we let Bae play the Bojan role. Didn’t even think of this but could very well be a great option.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Sept 3, 2023 12:45:59 GMT
He’ll be ten times better if we let Bae play the Bojan role. Didn’t even think of this but could very well be a great option. When I say this I mean Bae in the false 9. Not with Wesley.
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Post by mrrine on Sept 3, 2023 13:36:58 GMT
I don’t think he’s a up top on his own type of player to be honest, he needs a striker partner or a 10 who essentially plays off him. Whoever that player is needs to have a bit of pace. The way we are using him now doesn’t bring out the best in him. But in the limited time I’ve been watching he’s essentially laid on Vidigal’s goal against Watford, put another on a plate for Vidigal (out of nothing) against Millwall, and put another chance on a plate for Campbell yesterday. If we can get our other players closer to him he’s big enough and has enough skill to make things happen for them, least of our problems. It's this 10000% Whisper it quietly but I thin him and Gayle would do superbly in this league and I'm not a Gayle fan...
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Post by kickfortouch on Sept 3, 2023 13:56:54 GMT
He’d be much more effective in 4231 with more runners around him than he is in our current 433 where he is very isolated. I’m not convinced that Neil is the type to play a proper number 10 like Bae though which will always limit a player like Wesley.
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 3, 2023 15:00:22 GMT
I don’t think he’s a up top on his own type of player to be honest, he needs a striker partner or a 10 who essentially plays off him. Whoever that player is needs to have a bit of pace. The way we are using him now doesn’t bring out the best in him. But in the limited time I’ve been watching he’s essentially laid on Vidigal’s goal against Watford, put another on a plate for Vidigal (out of nothing) against Millwall, and put another chance on a plate for Campbell yesterday. If we can get our other players closer to him he’s big enough and has enough skill to make things happen for them, least of our problems. It's this 10000% Whisper it quietly but I thin him and Gayle would do superbly in this league and I'm not a Gayle fan... Yeah, not many players at this level, or any level that can play up top like that on their own, 20 yards or more from the nearest midfielder and make a job of it, as well as be a goal threat. Those that can don’t play in this division. He needs players around him, that can run off him. As it stands he’s so isolated and the CB’s up against him don’t have to worry about the space in behind them because there are no Stoke players anywhere near it. We either need to get the two wide players narrow when we go long, or find a way to get Gayle or Mmae up there with him. We could also try Bae as a 10 but I’d go with Gayle
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 23, 2023 11:17:59 GMT
Without a game today I am left looking at selection issues going forward. Wesley is the Enigma as I don't know what he brings or what he is. People on here comment that he is not a "Target Man" and he is not mobile. So what is he?
I am reassured that he was capped for Brasil, but that may not be significant, as he could easily be another updated version of Vincent ("He played for Juventus") Pericard. I would like to see the lad do well as he must have potential for something, but I am rather at the stage that we would be better using this available place to encourage a developer such as Lowe.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 23, 2023 11:21:55 GMT
Without a game today I am left looking at selection issues going forward. Wesley is the Enigma as I don't know what he brings or what he is. People on here comment that he is not a "Target Man" and he is not mobile. So what is he? I am reassured that he was capped for Brasil, but that may not be significant, as he could easily be another updated version of Vincent ("He played for Juventus") Pericard. I would like to see the lad do well as he must have potential for something, but I am rather at the stage that we would be better using this available place to encourage a developer such as Lowe. Lowe for sure, he couldn't be any worse, plus he might have a goal or two in him, Westley just looks like he hasn't got a goal in him.
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Post by thornestein on Sept 23, 2023 11:40:05 GMT
Without a game today I am left looking at selection issues going forward. Wesley is the Enigma as I don't know what he brings or what he is. People on here comment that he is not a "Target Man" and he is not mobile. So what is he? I am reassured that he was capped for Brasil, but that may not be significant, as he could easily be another updated version of Vincent ("He played for Juventus") Pericard. I would like to see the lad do well as he must have potential for something, but I am rather at the stage that we would be better using this available place to encourage a developer such as Lowe. didn’t villa pay 20 mil for him ? , he must have had potential once and then the bad injury happened
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Post by Trouserdog on Sept 23, 2023 11:41:46 GMT
Without a game today I am left looking at selection issues going forward. Wesley is the Enigma as I don't know what he brings or what he is. People on here comment that he is not a "Target Man" and he is not mobile. So what is he? I am reassured that he was capped for Brasil, but that may not be significant, as he could easily be another updated version of Vincent ("He played for Juventus") Pericard. I would like to see the lad do well as he must have potential for something, but I am rather at the stage that we would be better using this available place to encourage a developer such as Lowe. Big Wes is a top shagger and still needs to start. Play 4-2-3-1 and get some little skillful fuckers buzzing around the big lad and it'll all come good.
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Post by roscoepcoltrane on Sept 23, 2023 11:47:30 GMT
Without a game today I am left looking at selection issues going forward. Wesley is the Enigma as I don't know what he brings or what he is. People on here comment that he is not a "Target Man" and he is not mobile. So what is he? I am reassured that he was capped for Brasil, but that may not be significant, as he could easily be another updated version of Vincent ("He played for Juventus") Pericard. I would like to see the lad do well as he must have potential for something, but I am rather at the stage that we would be better using this available place to encourage a developer such as Lowe. didn’t villa pay 20 mil for him ? , he must have had potential once and then the bad injury happened £25 million by all accounts. But he had a nasty injury that seems to have affected him badly.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Sept 23, 2023 12:59:29 GMT
I'm still laughing at him being described last week as the 'Brazilian John Gayle' ![(lol)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/lvpvZ64EmrkLcuVniUmo.gif) For me, if you can remember John Gayle playing I think that pretty accurately describes what I've seen from him so far. Big physical lump but with no touch or intelligence to go with it. Hoping he comes good but thoroughly expecting him to go down on our very long donkey list.
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 23, 2023 13:07:11 GMT
I'm reliably informed that Brazilians are going out of fashion at the moment. Teams like Wrexham are looking in the right direction with the Hollywood option.
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Post by thornestein on Sept 23, 2023 13:20:02 GMT
I'm reliably informed that Brazilians are going out of fashion at the moment. Teams like Wrexham are looking in the right direction with the Hollywood option. 👏👏👏👏
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 23, 2023 18:22:03 GMT
He looks great when the ball is played to his feet (bar the odd one bouncing off him). He can hold the defenders off at ease and did this brilliantly a couple of times yesterday. However he offers absolutely no goal threat. We put 50 or so crosses in yesterday and 9 corners and he didn’t get close to scoring. They looked a well drilled outfit and dealt with us pretty easily. Our plan seemed to be get to the byline and cross. This just wasn’t working and I said at the time to throw Gayle on and give him some support. Ideally though we’d have had Mmaee as an option and who knows, he might’ve been able to create a moment just like against Rotherham. For me Wesley should be Plan B, whether Plan A will work is another question. Surprisingly for his height and physicality, bar the Millwall game, I think he's been quite poor in the air. As a target man in its purest sense though, Wesley does a lot of good things which get missed because he doesn't look like scoring. He receives the ball well, isn't afraid to take on opponents, can send in a nifty through ball, and has made several chances for others. He's a clever player and if he had mobility, he wouldn't be spending his best years in the Championship. If we choose to play him up top alone, we must accept he won't score goals and we have to use his qualities and get the attacking midfield closer and around him to feed on his lay-offs and through balls (4-2-3-1 with inverted wingers). If we want to maximise any opportunity there could be for him to score goals, he needs a support striker like Campbell up top with wingers supporting out wide or cutting in (i.e. a 4-2-4). The problem with both the above suggestions is that we are also missing Vidigal. You'd hope that Haks could do a job on the left and perhaps Bae on the right, although is he a winger? RW is one position we have truly ballsed up in our summer window.
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 23, 2023 20:43:10 GMT
I think Big Wes should be plan C.
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Post by pipegatepotter on Sept 23, 2023 20:51:24 GMT
Plan Z for me, can’t believe any club paid a fee for that useless sack of shit? Makes Martin Carruthers look like a world beater. In my opinion, of course.
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 23, 2023 20:51:32 GMT
As per usual, no point playing a target man, testing the ball at him from 60 yards away, with nobody closer then 40 yards away.
We have to start playing 4231
Wesley
Saed Bae Vidigal
Burger Pearson
Gooch McNally Rose Hoever/ junior
Travers.
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Post by march4 on Sept 23, 2023 20:58:06 GMT
Wesley is not the sort of forward we were looking for. It was telling that we only picked two forwards at Huddersfield even though he was available. I wonder what will happen tomorrow if Vidigal and Mmaae are still unavailable.
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 23, 2023 21:23:43 GMT
Two amazing facts regarding Wes: He played for Brazil. He's got one leg longer than the other.
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Post by lordb on Sept 23, 2023 21:26:31 GMT
Two amazing facts regarding Wes: He played for Brazil. He's got one leg longer than the other. Everyone has one leg longer than the other it's just that his leg is markedly longer than the other one Brazil play far more games than European countries and they dish out caps like confetti
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Post by robstokie on Sept 23, 2023 22:06:03 GMT
The problem with Wesley is two-fold. Firstly, he's not a goalscorer - his figures over his career suggest that fact. And secondly, what he is good at is being a focal point that brings others into play, problem is that for him to be effective we need to get balls into his feet, him to drop infield and drag his defender with him and those around him to get into positions where they can pick up the second ball and exploit the gaps hes created by dragging defenders out of position. Will he come good? There's still hope as he's still adjusting to this level - and hasn't played in England since before his injury, but it depends mostly on us utilizing him correctly.
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