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Post by Roger Everyone on Aug 12, 2023 16:21:11 GMT
I am going to say, Ipswich looked good. Very high paced match, we looked better when Wesley came on.
Dare I say we missed some of Brown's running and endeavour. Early days, only our third game, No panic!
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Post by biddulphchav on Aug 12, 2023 16:21:27 GMT
Hard to think of a single positive from that game, Burns for them dictated the entire midfield and we stood by and let him do it, DJ tried but couldn’t get near, Pearson by passed and Laurent was abysmal, lazy and never in a million years captain material, just not a very good footballer at all. Laurent is either a 9-10 performance or completely shite / anonymous. Really lacks any consistency, surprised he was made captain. We need another grafter up front and more legs in midfield. Hoping Mmae and Chiquinho will roll up their sleeves and starting putting proper shifts in, that’s what will get you out of this league
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2023 16:21:35 GMT
Ipswich fully deserved their 2 goal win. Other than a short spell either side of the break, they bossed the game.
In truth our undoing today was the basics in attacking areas. Basic passes/touches/crosses etc. We had many occasions in the 2nd half where we were building something and then it broke down in amateur fashion. So I suppose the consolation is that it's not the most difficult fix.
But overall there was always a chance today was going to be a reality check. It's frustrating that we played so badly. We knew what we were going to be up against (an energetic, well drilled high-pressing promoted team high on adrenaline) but I was hoping we would show the quality to be the side giving the wake up call. Unfortunately we didn't really come close to doing that.
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Aug 12, 2023 16:23:37 GMT
Back to the drawing board. Need 10 new signings This
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Post by mcw on Aug 12, 2023 16:24:35 GMT
Yep, they looked like a well oiled engine. Played to their strengths, obviously know their patterns of play and looked dangerous throughout. We on the other hand looked like what we are, a newly assembled team trying to gel and having a very bad off day. Ryan Mmaee is going to have to up his game considerably, including his attitude otherwise this league is going to eat him up.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Aug 12, 2023 16:27:22 GMT
Ipswich looked very good but we had so many players playing well below their best so it was pretty easy for them.
The midfield, Laurent and Pearson in particular looked like they were struggling with their fitness levels after a 3 match week. I expect both to be considerably better than that.
Mmaee will come good but needs time to adjust.
Pete needs to get that dong out because more signings are clearly needed.
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Post by skemstokie on Aug 12, 2023 16:30:21 GMT
Don't get too down hearted folks, we played a very good team today. I can see why they only lost 4 times last season and scored over 100 goals despite no class strikers. They have superb understanding and romped through our MF, created loads of chances, and they will with lots of other teams. We are still just assembling a team and there is a long way to go to build that understanding. We need to give Neil till October to get them organized into a team. Too much positivity for thr knicker wetters, as Neil says judge us when the window shuts.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 12, 2023 16:30:23 GMT
The midfield was absolutely shocking and that's the reason we lost. No protection whatsoever for the defence and created fuck all going forward.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 12, 2023 16:36:23 GMT
Okay for 10 minutes either side of HT, and pretty dire in the other 70.
Ipswich smothered us and looked a team that are going to be in the top third
Laurent was pitiful. And hard to find many positives with Mmaee so far. That pace of game would have been a hell of an eye-opener for him though
But it was worst possible game to play them - it's just set up for a club with a really settled, well drilled squad feeling they're massively on the way up with a bouncing, unified stadium, and they were all riding the momentum. We've been there.
And we are still very much a team in flux with hopefully 3 or 4 more big players to come in.
Big Wes was a positive though.
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Post by Gods on Aug 12, 2023 16:59:43 GMT
Don't get too down hearted folks, we played a very good team today. I can see why they only lost 4 times last season and scored over 100 goals despite no class strikers. They have superb understanding and romped through our MF, created loads of chances, and they will with lots of other teams. We are still just assembling a team and there is a long way to go to build that understanding. We need to give Neil till October to get them organized into a team. Too much positivity for thr knicker wetters, as Neil says judge us when the window shuts. You and Alex can judge us from whenever you like, but the trouble is the league table will be judging us from when the season begins!
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 14, 2023 8:59:43 GMT
I think this is mostly laid at the door of our magical manager, he predicted exactly how Ipswich would be then picked a team that could not deal with them. Three forwards none of whom had ever played away in the championship before, midfield let him down but Laurent is a one in three player and Pearson played as though he had been out all night. Better to have gone with aback five and Thompson as a second holding midfielder to take the energy out of their big day. Now we have sold Brown he may need to use Gayle 's experience at this level more until Tye us fit to help the new lads get use to the league especially away from home. Plus point was Wesley looking as though he can help us. Two more physical games next so lots if work to do this week. Still need a first choice CB and CM who are better than anything we have to progress.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 14, 2023 11:19:38 GMT
Don't get too down hearted folks, we played a very good team today. I can see why they only lost 4 times last season and scored over 100 goals despite no class strikers. They have superb understanding and romped through our MF, created loads of chances, and they will with lots of other teams. We are still just assembling a team and there is a long way to go to build that understanding. We need to give Neil till October to get them organized into a team. Too much positivity for thr knicker wetters, as Neil says judge us when the window shuts. Shouldn't that be a few games after the window shuts?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 14, 2023 11:36:56 GMT
Was just thinking the same some cool heads particularly in midfield where we appear to have struggled today. Which ironically is full of championship experienced players. Laurent was shocking. Pearson was 2nd to everything Johnson was okay at times but does playing him away leave us too open? looked like they could get through us at will. Johnson was fine, he was brave even under immense pressure, he was trying to cover the other two, always looking for the ball. I really like Johnson, excellent player for this level. The other two were way off the pace and I'm sure they'll be working hard to sort that
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Aug 14, 2023 11:46:48 GMT
Hard to think of a single positive from that game, Burns for them dictated the entire midfield and we stood by and let him do it, DJ tried but couldn’t get near, Pearson by passed and Laurent was abysmal, lazy and never in a million years captain material, just not a very good footballer at all. Laurent is either a 9-10 performance or completely shite / anonymous. Really lacks any consistency, surprised he was made captain. We need another grafter up front and more legs in midfield. Hoping Mmae and Chiquinho will roll up their sleeves and starting putting proper shifts in, that’s what will get you out of this league I'm trying hard to recall when Laurent's ever been a 9-10 performer. He's OK, on a good day.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Aug 14, 2023 11:53:35 GMT
Very poor considering AN knew what we were coming up against. A side just promoted on a fantastic run first home game with a crowd really up for it. We were know were near prepared for a team on a massive high we lack steel through the core of the side. Hopefully we get new signings in before the window closes to solve these problems.
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Post by skemstokie on Aug 14, 2023 12:23:21 GMT
Too much positivity for thr knicker wetters, as Neil says judge us when the window shuts. Shouldn't that be a few games after the window shuts? Pedantic?
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 14, 2023 12:23:33 GMT
Which ironically is full of championship experienced players. Laurent was shocking. Pearson was 2nd to everything Johnson was okay at times but does playing him away leave us too open? looked like they could get through us at will. Johnson was fine, he was brave even under immense pressure, he was trying to cover the other two, always looking for the ball. I really like Johnson, excellent player for this level. The other two were way off the pace and I'm sure they'll be working hard to sort that Bring in a more consistent player than Laurent and it’s solved. Playing 433 and asking Pearson to do all of his work on top of all the work that Laurent couldn’t be arsed to do on Saturday is a huge problem. A prime Kante wouldn’t have fixed the issue of Laurent being on the pitch but trying to stay as far away from the ball as he could all game.
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Aug 14, 2023 12:35:12 GMT
Obviously a really disappointing performance given the start we'd made, but.. and I mean this in the nicest way possible..
If you don't think every club in this shite league will put in a garbage performance every few weeks or so, then you're being naive. That's why the Championship is a crap shoot every year - every team struggles to stay consistant throughout the year.
The teams that go up aren't the best, they're the least shit.
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Post by idle on Aug 14, 2023 12:52:55 GMT
Johnson was fine, he was brave even under immense pressure, he was trying to cover the other two, always looking for the ball. I really like Johnson, excellent player for this level. The other two were way off the pace and I'm sure they'll be working hard to sort that Bring in a more consistent player than Laurent and it’s solved. Playing 433 and asking Pearson to do all of his work on top of all the work that Laurent couldn’t be arsed to do on Saturday is a huge problem. A prime Kante wouldn’t have fixed the issue of Laurent being on the pitch but trying to stay as far away from the ball as he could all game. Maybe that attitude was the thing AN was trying to get rid of by making him captain. You know, grow with the task. But it was just one game, I don't want to crucify him yet.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 14, 2023 12:58:48 GMT
I think the issue is we went into the window knowing we'd need to sign 10+ players. One line of thought was we can't do it in time* for the first game so we can effectively write off August while we assemble a squad.
But then Dr Google and his team pulled out rabbits from various hats and signed 11. Rotherham are/will be one of the poorest teams in the league and flattered us. The cup is more of a distraction at this stage and won't be typical of the league campaign.
Then high flying Ipswich came along and showed us how it should be done.
Some of the 11 in so far will find a regular starting berth, some won't. The quality has to be stepped up in the next 4-5 signings. We have in theory some cash to spend (Bursik covered FFP, Souttar was therefore all bunce and the Brown money should go a long way to, if not totally covering, fees paid so far this window.) So now we get to the crunch. The sticking plaster peeled off on Saturday. We've got to do better with the cheque book than we have for many a year. We've created a gap in FFP but that will fill up with higher waged quality signings and loan fees.
Don't waste the opportunity as we have in the past or this hard landing will become the norm.
*Guilty!
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Post by biddulphchav on Aug 14, 2023 15:09:21 GMT
Laurent is either a 9-10 performance or completely shite / anonymous. Really lacks any consistency, surprised he was made captain. We need another grafter up front and more legs in midfield. Hoping Mmae and Chiquinho will roll up their sleeves and starting putting proper shifts in, that’s what will get you out of this league I'm trying hard to recall when Laurent's ever been a 9-10 performer. He's OK, on a good day. I thought he was an 8-9 against Rotherham, and probably against Coventry and Boro last season. Agree though, few and far between
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Post by biddulphchav on Aug 14, 2023 15:16:20 GMT
Don't get too down hearted folks, we played a very good team today. I can see why they only lost 4 times last season and scored over 100 goals despite no class strikers. They have superb understanding and romped through our MF, created loads of chances, and they will with lots of other teams. We are still just assembling a team and there is a long way to go to build that understanding. We need to give Neil till October to get them organized into a team. Too much positivity for thr knicker wetters, as Neil says judge us when the window shuts. Judgement should be after 9-10 games, as that’s when we’ll see what we are made of. Doesn’t stop and shouldn’t stop people being concerned along the way. The performance against Ipswich was concerning to say the least, but it’s not all doom and gloom. Plenty of time for new signings to come in and for them and the other new players to gel. I think we need a couple in who are proven players in the Championship - sort of like Brown really - ones who even on a bad day will put the work in and you can at least rely on to do a job. I’ll be a bit worried if we are looking overseas for the CM we need.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 14, 2023 15:25:07 GMT
I think the issue is we went into the window knowing we'd need to sign 10+ players. One line of thought was we can't do it in time* for the first game so we can effectively write off August while we assemble a squad. But then Dr Google and his team pulled out rabbits from various hats and signed 11. Rotherham are/will be one of the poorest teams in the league and flattered us. The cup is more of a distraction at this stage and won't be typical of the league campaign. Then high flying Ipswich came along and showed us how it should be done. Some of the 11 in so far will find a regular starting berth, some won't. The quality has to be stepped up in the next 4-5 signings. We have in theory some cash to spend (Bursik covered FFP, Souttar was therefore all bunce and the Brown money should go a long way to, if not totally covering, fees paid so far this window.) So now we get to the crunch. The sticking plaster peeled off on Saturday. We've got to do better with the cheque book than we have for many a year. We've created a gap in FFP but that will fill up with higher waged quality signings and loan fees. Don't waste the opportunity as we have in the past or this hard landing will become the norm. *Guilty! Is it not just as conceivable that we're actually in decent nick and that Ipswich was the aberration?
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 14, 2023 16:05:53 GMT
Shocking performance today, we look totally disorganised and second best all over the pitch. Plenty of work to do in the transfer market still. It was a very poor performance and I agree there is work to do on improving the squad but I think it needs to noted that Ipswich looked much better than us because their players looked like they knew what their jobs were. It's time the coaching team started earning their money. They should be improving players and giving them structured roles in the team. I see very little evidence of coaching in our performances. We only win when our individual players are clearly superior to their opposite numbers. Decent coaches find ways of getting their teams to exceed the sum of their individual parts; at the moment we are doing the opposite.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 14, 2023 16:32:12 GMT
I think the issue is we went into the window knowing we'd need to sign 10+ players. One line of thought was we can't do it in time* for the first game so we can effectively write off August while we assemble a squad. But then Dr Google and his team pulled out rabbits from various hats and signed 11. Rotherham are/will be one of the poorest teams in the league and flattered us. The cup is more of a distraction at this stage and won't be typical of the league campaign. Then high flying Ipswich came along and showed us how it should be done. Some of the 11 in so far will find a regular starting berth, some won't. The quality has to be stepped up in the next 4-5 signings. We have in theory some cash to spend (Bursik covered FFP, Souttar was therefore all bunce and the Brown money should go a long way to, if not totally covering, fees paid so far this window.) So now we get to the crunch. The sticking plaster peeled off on Saturday. We've got to do better with the cheque book than we have for many a year. We've created a gap in FFP but that will fill up with higher waged quality signings and loan fees. Don't waste the opportunity as we have in the past or this hard landing will become the norm. *Guilty! Is it not just as conceivable that we're actually in decent nick and that Ipswich was the aberration? Would you sheathe the dong and go with what we have until January? I want us to be the aberration.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 14, 2023 17:47:58 GMT
Is it not just as conceivable that we're actually in decent nick and that Ipswich was the aberration? Would you sheathe the dong and go with what we have until January? I want us to be the aberration. No, there are clearly areas we still need to strengthen. I just don’t buy that the two games we won don’t count and the only game we can draw any conclusions from is the one we lost.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 14, 2023 17:48:44 GMT
Shocking performance today, we look totally disorganised and second best all over the pitch. Plenty of work to do in the transfer market still. It was a very poor performance and I agree there is work to do on improving the squad but I think it needs to noted that Ipswich looked much better than us because their players looked like they knew what their jobs were. It's time the coaching team started earning their money. They should be improving players and giving them structured roles in the team. I see very little evidence of coaching in our performances. We only win when our individual players are clearly superior to their opposite numbers. Decent coaches find ways of getting their teams to exceed the sum of their individual parts; at the moment we are doing the opposite. Do you think this might be something of a knee-jerk reaction after three games, two of which we’ve won?
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 14, 2023 18:02:27 GMT
Would you sheathe the dong and go with what we have until January? I want us to be the aberration. No, there are clearly areas we still need to strengthen. I just don’t buy that the two games we won don’t count and the only game we can draw any conclusions from is the one we lost. Where did I say they don't count? The conclusion from the league games surely is Rotherham are a poor team. Ipswich are currently better than us (AN said so). Consequently, if we have a (sizable) kitty we need to strengthen rather than add more of the same. Hopefully JD and co will succeed where the pervious 'throw the cheque book at the manager' model failed. imo as I said before we've got all the flair we need, we now need to add the steel.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 14, 2023 18:04:10 GMT
No, there are clearly areas we still need to strengthen. I just don’t buy that the two games we won don’t count and the only game we can draw any conclusions from is the one we lost. Where did I say they don't count? The conclusion from the league games surely is Rotherham are a poor team. Ipswich are currently better than us (AN said so). Consequently, if we have a (sizable) kitty we need to strengthen rather than add more of the same. Hopefully JD and co will succeed where the pervious 'throw the cheque book at the manager' model failed. imo as I said before we've got all the flair we need, we now need to add the steel. Could the conclusion not be that Rotherham aren’t brilliant but we’re actually quite good, though a work in progress? I’m not saying we don’t need to strengthen, I’m just not having that if we win the opposition must be shit but if we lose then we must be shit.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 14, 2023 18:10:39 GMT
Where did I say they don't count? The conclusion from the league games surely is Rotherham are a poor team. Ipswich are currently better than us (AN said so). Consequently, if we have a (sizable) kitty we need to strengthen rather than add more of the same. Hopefully JD and co will succeed where the pervious 'throw the cheque book at the manager' model failed. imo as I said before we've got all the flair we need, we now need to add the steel. Could the conclusion not be that Rotherham aren’t brilliant but we’re actually quite good, though a work in progress? I wouldn't argue against that. Do you think our quite good is top 6 quite good?
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