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Post by thestatusquo on Nov 10, 2023 12:50:11 GMT
Because they're not proper journalists and don't understand the basic principles of newswriting/accurate reportage. Accurate Reportage? The New Romantic pioneers? Saw The new romantic pioneers supporting world of twist in the early 90’s great band
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Nov 10, 2023 12:57:22 GMT
Not convinced by Travers not seen this great keeper we had, Bonham, who is no means the answer 2 clean sheets 2 matching Travers 2 clean sheets in how many? I think it's indisputable that Bonham has played very well in the games since we lost Travers.
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Post by apb1 on Nov 10, 2023 13:30:29 GMT
Honestly, if the roles were reversed in this scenario I wouldn't give a toss about us taking someone back from a loan. So you inconvenience a lower league team and get your player back, whose wages you pay, to cover a week when you're a bit stretched and the period up to Xmas, as you face an ongoing relegation fight? Other than the fact they have to pay more of his wages, which is nothing for a Prem Club, why would they care?
I hate Bournemouth, and I wish he was still here, but it's hardly scandalous behaviour. just annoying as we are the victims.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Nov 10, 2023 13:44:08 GMT
They’re in a relegation battle. Every point matters. What if they needed an experienced keeper for even half a game? That potentially gets them a point or three. If that is enough to keep them up at the end of the season why wouldn’t they recall? All this is hypothetical but I’m genuinely struggling to see what they did wrong. Frustrating for us and him but that’s what happens when you rely on loans. As we sadly have to. I agree, it's a cunt's trick but it's a trick they were allowed to play.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 10, 2023 14:18:35 GMT
Honestly, if the roles were reversed in this scenario I wouldn't give a toss about us taking someone back from a loan. So you inconvenience a lower league team and get your player back, whose wages you pay, to cover a week when you're a bit stretched and the period up to Xmas, as you face an ongoing relegation fight? Other than the fact they have to pay more of his wages, which is nothing for a Prem Club, why would they care? I hate Bournemouth, and I wish he was still here, but it's hardly scandalous behaviour. just annoying as we are the victims. I don’t think anyone’s disputing they’ve got the right to do it. What most people are moaning about is that they’ve got the right to do it based on the flimsiest and some might say fabricated evidence. And that not only have they inconvenienced a lower league team they’ve also inconvenienced their own reasonably valuable asset who you might imagine is now seriously de motivated.
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Post by Squeekster on Nov 10, 2023 19:14:58 GMT
Not convinced by Travers not seen this great keeper we had, Bonham, who is no means the answer 2 clean sheets 2 matching Travers 2 clean sheets in how many? I think it's indisputable that Bonham has played very well in the games since we lost Travers. Not had a great deal to do but has made a couple of really good saves I agree but is he the answer long term? I have my doubts but I'd love to be proved wrong for the rest of the season.
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Post by Scrotnig on Nov 10, 2023 20:36:53 GMT
I think it's indisputable that Bonham has played very well in the games since we lost Travers. Not had a great deal to do but has made a couple of really good saves I agree but is he the answer long term? I have my doubts but I'd love to be proved wrong for the rest of the season. Sometimes these situations are the making of people. Here’s hoping…
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Post by danceswithclams on Nov 10, 2023 21:18:56 GMT
Accurate Reportage? The New Romantic pioneers? Saw The new romantic pioneers supporting world of twist in the early 90’s great band Accepted convention would suggest that the 'band'component here would be 'Accurate Reportage'. 5/10 - needs work but can't fault the enthusiasm. Keep at it and you'll get there eventually 👍
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 10, 2023 21:26:35 GMT
Saw The new romantic pioneers supporting world of twist in the early 90’s great band Accepted convention would suggest that the 'band'component here would be 'Accurate Reportage'. 5/10 - needs work but can't fault the enthusiasm. Keep at it and you'll get there eventually 👍 You’d say so, but it’s not too bad a shout for an alternative tranny band trying to be edgy…..
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 10, 2023 22:17:34 GMT
They’re in a relegation battle. Every point matters. What if they needed an experienced keeper for even half a game? That potentially gets them a point or three. If that is enough to keep them up at the end of the season why wouldn’t they recall? All this is hypothetical but I’m genuinely struggling to see what they did wrong. Frustrating for us and him but that’s what happens when you rely on loans. As we sadly have to. What did they do wrong? They pissed off a player they've had on their books for the past 7 years to the point he'll push for a move because he never wants to play for them ever again. That’s pure conjecture. Travers gets a few games. Bournemouth stay up. He forgets us. See I can pretend to predict the future too.
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 10, 2023 22:20:07 GMT
I’m confused. What did Bournemouth do wrong? It seems like they acted within the rules allowed by the Premier League. But They knew they were recalling Travers to sit on the bench so weren't acting in his best interests. Had they have waited they could still have recalled him to play in the event of any further injuries which would then have been an emergency. It wouldn't have hindered them in any way. Not that they have a duty to Stoke but they signed a contract agreeing the loan until at least January and then simply ripped that up when they felt like it ably assisted by the PL. I don't know the full details but I read an interview with their manager where he said that Randolph had been ill or injured for about three weeks but he wasn't sure what was up with him. Bollocks. That smacks of them making shit up to give the PL the excuse to allow them to recall Travers. That's borne out by his miraculous Lazarus like recovery just over a week later. You're right Bournemouth haven't done anything wrong within the rules as they stand but they have behaved pretty despicably both towards Stoke City and Mark Travers and have played fast and loose with some pretty shonky 'rules'. I still think we’d (and any relegation threatened club) would do similar in that situation. It’s shit but it’s modern football. And all clubs are the same.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 10, 2023 22:35:45 GMT
It seems like they acted within the rules allowed by the Premier League. But They knew they were recalling Travers to sit on the bench so weren't acting in his best interests. Had they have waited they could still have recalled him to play in the event of any further injuries which would then have been an emergency. It wouldn't have hindered them in any way. Not that they have a duty to Stoke but they signed a contract agreeing the loan until at least January and then simply ripped that up when they felt like it ably assisted by the PL. I don't know the full details but I read an interview with their manager where he said that Randolph had been ill or injured for about three weeks but he wasn't sure what was up with him. Bollocks. That smacks of them making shit up to give the PL the excuse to allow them to recall Travers. That's borne out by his miraculous Lazarus like recovery just over a week later. You're right Bournemouth haven't done anything wrong within the rules as they stand but they have behaved pretty despicably both towards Stoke City and Mark Travers and have played fast and loose with some pretty shonky 'rules'. I still think we’d (and any relegation threatened club) would do similar in that situation. It’s shit but it’s modern football. And all clubs are the same. Not modern football...has always happened Grobelaaar was recalled from us at a time we couldn't find a decent keeper to save our lives and he would have played
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 10, 2023 22:36:01 GMT
It seems like they acted within the rules allowed by the Premier League. But They knew they were recalling Travers to sit on the bench so weren't acting in his best interests. Had they have waited they could still have recalled him to play in the event of any further injuries which would then have been an emergency. It wouldn't have hindered them in any way. Not that they have a duty to Stoke but they signed a contract agreeing the loan until at least January and then simply ripped that up when they felt like it ably assisted by the PL. I don't know the full details but I read an interview with their manager where he said that Randolph had been ill or injured for about three weeks but he wasn't sure what was up with him. Bollocks. That smacks of them making shit up to give the PL the excuse to allow them to recall Travers. That's borne out by his miraculous Lazarus like recovery just over a week later. You're right Bournemouth haven't done anything wrong within the rules as they stand but they have behaved pretty despicably both towards Stoke City and Mark Travers and have played fast and loose with some pretty shonky 'rules'. I still think we’d (and any relegation threatened club) would do similar in that situation. It’s shit but it’s modern football. And all clubs are the same. You're probably right I wasn't really having a dig at Bournemouth although I believe they've behaved badly both towards us and Travers (and as a direct knock on Simkin) my gripe really is with the PL for allowing Bournemouth's appeal on the flimsiest, and it has to be said potentially false, grounds.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 11, 2023 8:02:20 GMT
I still think we’d (and any relegation threatened club) would do similar in that situation. It’s shit but it’s modern football. And all clubs are the same. You're probably right I wasn't really having a dig at Bournemouth although I believe they've behaved badly both towards us and Travers (and as a direct knock on Simkin) my gripe really is with the PL for allowing Bournemouth's appeal on the flimsiest, and it has to be said potentially false, grounds. It’d be interesting to hear what story Bournemouth sold to the PL to get him back. Surely they couldn’t have said “we just need him for the bench.” Goalkeepers the one position where you rarely need to bring on a sub and if you do it’s one game then they could call in the recall. The worst thing is it sounds like the 2 keepers that were injured were out for a couple of weeks and not even out long term. Poor from the PL and if Bournmouth have lied they need fining.
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Post by theonlooker on Nov 11, 2023 8:08:10 GMT
It's very poor of Bournemouth to do this. Yes, they have the right to do it as it's their player but don't say with modern sport science that they didn't know their keeper wouldn't be back so quickly. These days they can predict injury recovery quite accurately.
For the keeper to be back so soon, they must have recalled Travers with the injured keeper already back on the grass or as near as damn it.
I suspect foul play to be honest and I reckon it is a ploy to get us to panic and buy him in January for an elevated fee.
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Post by thornestein on Nov 11, 2023 8:19:30 GMT
It's very poor of Bournemouth to do this. Yes, they have the right to do it as it's their player but don't say with modern sport science that they didn't know their keeper wouldn't be back so quickly. These days they can predict injury recovery quite accurately. For the keeper to be back so soon, they must have recalled Travers with the injured keeper already back on the grass or as near as damn it. I suspect foul play to be honest and I reckon it is a ploy to get us to panic and buy him in January for an elevated fee. i dont know why ppl are getting so upset about it , no club would want go into a game without a sub keeper , theyve put him on the bench twice so obviously needed him , even if its for one game i would want out team without a sub keeper
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Post by theonlooker on Nov 11, 2023 8:29:22 GMT
It's very poor of Bournemouth to do this. Yes, they have the right to do it as it's their player but don't say with modern sport science that they didn't know their keeper wouldn't be back so quickly. These days they can predict injury recovery quite accurately. For the keeper to be back so soon, they must have recalled Travers with the injured keeper already back on the grass or as near as damn it. I suspect foul play to be honest and I reckon it is a ploy to get us to panic and buy him in January for an elevated fee. i dont know why ppl are getting so upset about it , no club would want go into a game without a sub keeper , theyve put him on the bench twice so obviously needed him , even if its for one game i would want out team without a sub keeper They put 22 year old Cameron Plain on the bench against Liverpool in the league cup, in between the two PL games. They surely knew they could have got by with him there for 2 PL games, one of which was Man City away for christ sake!? Not upset just disappointed for Travers and now ultimately Tommy Simkin who is the knock on. Ultimately though it's no surprise there is no loyalty in football when clubs use players like horse meat like this.
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Post by thornestein on Nov 11, 2023 8:49:51 GMT
i dont know why ppl are getting so upset about it , no club would want go into a game without a sub keeper , theyve put him on the bench twice so obviously needed him , even if its for one game i would want out team without a sub keeper They put 22 year old Cameron Plain on the bench against Liverpool in the league cup, in between the two PL games. They surely knew they could have got by with him there for 2 PL games, one of which was Man City away for christ sake!? Not upset just disappointed for Travers and now ultimately Tommy Simkin who is the knock on. Ultimately though it's no surprise there is no loyalty in football when clubs use players like horse meat like this. he wasnt named in the squad so couldnt play in premier league
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Post by theonlooker on Nov 11, 2023 10:35:54 GMT
They put 22 year old Cameron Plain on the bench against Liverpool in the league cup, in between the two PL games. They surely knew they could have got by with him there for 2 PL games, one of which was Man City away for christ sake!? Not upset just disappointed for Travers and now ultimately Tommy Simkin who is the knock on. Ultimately though it's no surprise there is no loyalty in football when clubs use players like horse meat like this. he wasnt named in the squad so couldnt play in premier league I'm sure the PL could have given them special dispensation had they pushed for it.
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Post by lordb on Nov 11, 2023 10:56:54 GMT
Perhaps the rules re loaning goalkeepers need relaxing
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 11, 2023 12:12:43 GMT
i dont know why ppl are getting so upset about it , no club would want go into a game without a sub keeper , theyve put him on the bench twice so obviously needed him , even if its for one game i would want out team without a sub keeper They put 22 year old Cameron Plain on the bench against Liverpool in the league cup, in between the two PL games. They surely knew they could have got by with him there for 2 PL games, one of which was Man City away for christ sake!? Not upset just disappointed for Travers and now ultimately Tommy Simkin who is the knock on. Ultimately though it's no surprise there is no loyalty in football when clubs use players like horse meat like this. I just don’t see why a club in their situation would gamble with a sub keeper when they can recall a decent experienced player who might be needed and could potentially get them a point or two. If that’s the point that then keeps them up at the end of the season it’s excellent management of your resources.
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 11, 2023 12:14:00 GMT
i dont know why ppl are getting so upset about it , no club would want go into a game without a sub keeper , theyve put him on the bench twice so obviously needed him , even if its for one game i would want out team without a sub keeper They put 22 year old Cameron Plain on the bench against Liverpool in the league cup, in between the two PL games. They surely knew they could have got by with him there for 2 PL games, one of which was Man City away for christ sake!? Not upset just disappointed for Travers and now ultimately Tommy Simkin who is the knock on. Ultimately though it's no surprise there is no loyalty in football when clubs use players like horse meat like this. True. But players are equally inclined to use and abuse clubs for their own game. It’s all fucking rotten.
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Post by ceejays on Nov 11, 2023 17:17:18 GMT
As I was saying Bonham is an excellent goalkeeper for this crap division.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Nov 11, 2023 17:21:38 GMT
Travers on the bench: Neto starts.
Good to see Bonham's error today not result in a goal. Had another decent game by the sounds of it?
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Post by aussiepotter1972 on Dec 10, 2023 11:14:20 GMT
Crikey. Will he want to come back in Jan? Are we the only club he can return to under the 2 club in a season rule?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 10, 2023 11:30:01 GMT
Crikey. Will he want to come back in Jan? Are we the only club he can return to under the 2 club in a season rule? He'll have to think about it a lot more now because of how inept AN has proven to be. If he's a keeper who like a relegation scrap and loads of goal mouth action then we're the team for him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 16:50:18 GMT
Crikey. Will he want to come back in Jan? Are we the only club he can return to under the 2 club in a season rule? I might be wrong but I think the 2 club rule only becomes relevant if he actually plays for Bournemouth. I don't think just being on the bench for them affects it.
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 10, 2023 17:13:49 GMT
Crikey. Will he want to come back in Jan? Are we the only club he can return to under the 2 club in a season rule? Why would we want him back? We would have learned nothing. Buy your goalkeeper. They are the heart of your defensive unit. Your long term defensive structure should be molded around a good goalkeeper.
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Post by lordb on Dec 10, 2023 17:16:21 GMT
Crikey. Will he want to come back in Jan? Are we the only club he can return to under the 2 club in a season rule? Why would we want him back? We would have learned nothing. Buy your goalkeeper. They are the heart of your defensive unit. Your long term defensive structure should be molded around a good goalkeeper. Depends on what budget we have If Neil pay off and maybe compo for new manager (if getting one in employment) could make a real dent, might have to be loans in which case Travers us probably the best loan keeper we could get If we do have a bigger budget then yes go buy a keeper
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 10, 2023 19:52:25 GMT
Why would we want him back? We would have learned nothing. Buy your goalkeeper. They are the heart of your defensive unit. Your long term defensive structure should be molded around a good goalkeeper. Depends on what budget we have If Neil pay off and maybe compo for new manager (if getting one in employment) could make a real dent, might have to be loans in which case Travers us probably the best loan keeper we could get If we do have a bigger budget then yes go buy a keeper And when they call him back in February again, we’d be screwed. Goalkeeper is the No.1 priority, second only to a central defender. I’d like to think that any manager would see that. I can’t imagine we’ll be getting a decent manager if there isn’t some money for them to spend. After accounting for Tymon, Souttar and Brown, have we even spent money yet this season?
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